PS3 vs. 360

[phony54]

Okay, I have seen several of these before, but I am about to buy one or the other so I figured I could use some feedback.

I know that Blueray is now the format as they are stopping HDDVD production. So +1 for PS3. However, now that games like GTA4 are no longer PS exclusives, is there really any other reason to get a PS3, or just personal preference. I am leaning towards 360 just because all my friends have one, and it would be nice to be able to play Halo3 without actually going to their house.

Input needed...

[joshalabama]

Besides the PS3 having overall better specs making it a bit more future proof and an outstanding dashboard. Much superior to the 360's tab dashboard.

[DexterZX2]

PS3, you can't go wrong with this system. I have one and I love it. Gotta stick with the brand that hasn't let me down in the past.

[inis]

well on games like gta4 , metal gear solid and so forth will benefit from blu-ray

[TSmiley98]

i was a huge fan of the 360, but I would have to say the graphics are better on the PS3, I dont even play 360 anymore, COD4 FTW for PS3

[CBZx2]

I would have to say you cant really go wrong with either system

That being said I have a 360 and love it

[TSmiley98]

+1 for the PS3 FREE online game play

[droptoutzx2]

i have played both 360 and ps3 online and i like the 360 better, yes ps3 is free but i am always having connection problems, problems that i dont get on my 360

[TSmiley98]

PS3 has built in wireless, not an extra purchase..

[TSmiley98]

PS3 controllers are all wireless and rehcargeable via USB port, No batteries FTW, and they seem to last alot longer on a charge than the 360 ones,.,

[FiReTRuCK_ZX2]

360 is awesome, but I like some of the games on PS3. But I like the coop games for 360 better. so 360 is my vote.

[ZX2OO7]

My Vote PS3 you can add a bigger 2.5inch laptop hard drive without voiding the warranty. Everyone i know that has 360 has gotten red ring of death at least once or more:mad:

[joshalabama]

^^^^^^^He speaks the truth.

[5spdzx2]

+1 for the Red Ring of Death...oh wait thats -100. And it happens often....

Hence why i traded the bastard in for a 60gb PS3...just go for the PS3.

[OGreaTFuzzY1]

The PS3 is a nice paper weight. I don't see anything to great with it. The 360 is getting more exclusive titles then the PS3 from what i can tell from my friend that works at gamestop. He told me that alot of company's are doing more on 360 and dropping the PS3. As for the free online you get what you pay for, long download times and disconnections. As for the red ring of death the only way you get it is if you do something to cause it to screw up. I have my first gen unit since it came out and it was used and i have played it for 48 hours in a row before and still haven't gotten it. But my unit isn't cramped up in a small place where it can't cool off. A bunch of the exclusive PS3 games last year turned to multi console because the system doesn't sell well and sony screwed up the deals. The stock holders will still not see any jumps in the market because the psp doesn't sell very well and the PS3 the same. Even though both systems have the good and bad side. I'll stick with the 360. There is more people that i know on x-box live and with 360's then i do with a PS3. Maybe when i need a paper weight or a blu-ray player I'll buy one.

~Fuzzy

[phony54]

Yeah if only Sony had stopped selling the PS2 like Microsoft stopped the XBOX perhaps Sony would have a seen a bigger market penetration with the PS3. Which would in turn mean more exclusive games. The best seller gets the goodies, and right now Sony is losing out. I find it sad that the best selling system right now is the old PS2...

[Beodude123]

A nice paperweight? Please...

7.1 channel sound via HDMI. Hell yeah. I like RPGs, and I know the PS3 is where I can get new titles of my favorite series.

[PHeller]

My parents just bought a 46 HDLCD, so I'd like a system that could utlize the high def.

I'd hate to pay for online services, but Forza 2 is cool.

Thing is, later down the line, the PS3 can be a blue-ray player when I outgrow the games, and considering the prices of Blue-Ray players are still above $300, I think that alone might be worth it.

[inis]

The PS3 is a nice paper weight. I don't see anything to great with it. The 360 is getting more exclusive titles then the PS3 from what i can tell from my friend that works at gamestop. He told me that alot of company's are doing more on 360 and dropping the PS3. As for the free online you get what you pay for, long download times and disconnections. As for the red ring of death the only way you get it is if you do something to cause it to screw up. I have my first gen unit since it came out and it was used and i have played it for 48 hours in a row before and still haven't gotten it. But my unit isn't cramped up in a small place where it can't cool off. A bunch of the exclusive PS3 games last year turned to multi console because the system doesn't sell well and sony screwed up the deals. The stock holders will still not see any jumps in the market because the psp doesn't sell very well and the PS3 the same. Even though both systems have the good and bad side. I'll stick with the 360. There is more people that i know on x-box live and with 360's then i do with a PS3. Maybe when i need a paper weight or a blu-ray player I'll buy one.

~Fuzzy

Seriously, get out of this thread.

Your statements are is just ignorant. And your friend, do I need to go there?

[Beodude123]

You have Forza on 360, and you have Gran Turismo on PS3. I think the PS3 has more options for wheels though...

[Beodude123]

The PSP not selling well? It outsold the DS for a couple of months in Japan dude. I'd say that is pretty good considering it is Sony's first try at a portable.

[LunchBoxZX2]

My vote is for 360. Hardware issues aside, for gamers, it is the console to have. If you look at side by side comparisons of multi-platform games, you will see there is little to no difference in visual quality. Why? The 360 has the more powerful graphics card, but the PS3 has the better processor (360 = tri-core PPC with 6 hardware threads vs. PS3 = 1 cell with 7 SPE's).

So far, Blu-Ray has done absolutely nothing for gaming. Fanboyism aside, it just hasn't. It has increased load times, required installations of some games prior to play, and with its huge storage space increase over DVD format, just hasn't shown any improvements other than "we can put the same data on the disc 3 or 4 times in different places to reduce load times that were made longer due to going with a slower drive (Blu-Ray)".

Don't get me wrong, Blu-Ray is great, but that shouldn't be your sole reason for choosing a console.

Having said all of this, I am sticking with the 360, because I like what they have to offer, and that is games. They are kicking the crap out of Sony in that area this round, there is no denying that. If you really need movies, they have their own video download service with absolutely hundreds of HD movies, TV shows and more.

The blade dashboard compared to Sony's XMB is pure personal opinion... I prefer the dashboard. We'll see what Sony's online is REALLY capable of when Home launches this century.

I know my posts are winded, but little things like "the controllers don't need batteries" and "it has built-in wireless" are not really things I look for when purchasing a game console. I want the content, not the little stuff.

Keep in mind this is only my view of everything. Let's keep this thread fun and informative.

[BlackEscortGT]

I had A 360 pro, and i loved it. No complaints. I got the red rings of death and i sent it in and they sent me a new one. In the time that it took to get my Xbox Back, 3 weeks, I got an Elite. andI freaking love it. I now have a brand new pro and an elite. The pro is now for sale. I want to get a PS3 eventually for games like God Of War 3 anf Heavenly Sword but thats about it. Ive also heard bad things about the PS3. Im waiting for the new Upgraded 80GB hard drive PS3 (and money). Hope this helps

[Unlikely Hero]

I personally think you choice depends on if your looking at the now or the future.

Right now, 360 tends to be the choice because theres so much more out of it. I mean seriously, like 6 months ago there really wasn't anything out there that I wanted to buy for my ps3. Theres some pretty cool titles out there for the 360 that may never come out for the ps3 just because many companies don't think they make much of a profit switching over.

In the future, PS3 is going to win hands down. I think that one more ps3 price drop, and the death of the HDdvd will end it for 360.

Personally I had the Xbox 360, sold it the day Halo 3 came out, and bought a PS3. My main reason was the blueray player and I don't regret it at all. The pictures better even on my car tv and on my burnt dvds than I ever saw on the 360.

Anyway this is a long and pointless arguement though. If you don't believe me do a google search on which one is better and you'll just see the ranting and raving on and on. Its all really depends on personal preference.

=Jason-

Plus don't listen to those guys that are butt hurt because they have the 360 but can't afford the ps3 so they bash it instead and say how terrible it is.

[phony54]

I was just curious o get some opinions about the different aspects of the 2. If I had the money I would just buy both, but I am betting my wife will probably veto that so I have to choose. I am still torn between the two, but I have to buy something soon cause not having ANY system is killing me since the lightning killed my PS2.

[ChillinZX]

Performance per dollar defenatly 360. I'm a huge game system collector (I own about 13 systems) and I'll get PS3 when the price tag is down to $200.

[SoCalZX2]

I like my 360 but don't play much. I've never had the red ring of death either. When I first got it, I was all about playing the system. So I played non stop a lot. I bought it used too.

[Mike]

I love my 360. Don't play it as much as I did, but nothing really out that interests me at this time. Not until GTA....

Not a fan of the PS3 that much.

[4U2QUIK]

I couldn't agree more


I personally think you choice depends on if your looking at the now or the future.

Right now, 360 tends to be the choice because theres so much more out of it. I mean seriously, like 6 months ago there really wasn't anything out there that I wanted to buy for my ps3. Theres some pretty cool titles out there for the 360 that may never come out for the ps3 just because many companies don't think they make much of a profit switching over.

In the future, PS3 is going to win hands down. I think that one more ps3 price drop, and the death of the HDdvd will end it for 360.

Personally I had the Xbox 360, sold it the day Halo 3 came out, and bought a PS3. My main reason was the blueray player and I don't regret it at all. The pictures better even on my car tv and on my burnt dvds than I ever saw on the 360.

Anyway this is a long and pointless arguement though. If you don't believe me do a google search on which one is better and you'll just see the ranting and raving on and on. Its all really depends on personal preference.

=Jason-

Plus don't listen to those guys that are butt hurt because they have the 360 but can't afford the ps3 so they bash it instead and say how terrible it is.

[ChillinZX]

I think games and videos will go to a cartridge format. Think about the new technologies with the usb flash drives, they go up to 32GB of storage now! Not only that, but they are no bigger then your thumb! Blue-Ray only holds 25GB of storage. And think about the instant load times of cartridge vs disc. Also think about the protection the cartridge has vs a cd getting scratched. That is my prediction, and if i'm right, then ps3 will be useless in the future and you will have wasted the $400 it costs to get one.

[Rev]

I like both because i have both but i might get rid of my PS3 to fund my project.

[4U2QUIK]

ps3 is already there. usb,aand flash drive reader, and youcan transfer games thatwayalso

I think games and videos will go to a cartridge format. Think about the new technologies with the usb flash drives, they go up to 32GB of storage now! Not only that, but they are no bigger then your thumb! Blue-Ray only holds 25GB of storage. And think about the instant load times of cartridge vs disc. Also think about the protection the cartridge has vs a cd getting scratched. That is my prediction, and if i'm right, then ps3 will be useless in the future and you will have wasted the $400 it costs to get one.

[SoCalZX2]

It's always a "waste" of money considering where technology is going. Just think if/when they make it cost effective to have VR games.

[4U2QUIK]

if yawanna think that way you might as well never buy anything electronic

[Beodude123]

It's always a "waste" of money considering where technology is going. Just think if/when they make it cost effective to have VR games.

Ahh Virtual Boy, we hardly knew ye.




As far as load times on Blu-ray drives, it's not that they are slower, but that they read info at only one speed. So for devs trying to maximize read speeds on DVDs, they could put all the frequently read info closer to the center. Since BD is constant, you don't have that work around.

At least that's what I've read...

[simplicity05]

360 vs PS3

Blue-Ray movie playback - moot point with the death of HDDVD and the very strong rumors of a Blue-Ray player coming to the 360 later this year.

Games - I believe there's a superior selection on 360 right now. For whatever reason people want to argue, there just flat out isn't the same level of games, both quantity and quality, for the PS3 as the 360. And what's coming out? Gran Turismo 5 DOES look sweet as hell, and along with MGS4, FFXIII and God of War 3 I'm sure there'll be plenty of people adopting the platform for these games. Myself, I'm good. I have forza for my driving, CoD4 online for my sneaking, and I'm not a huge GoW or FF fan. Everything else is coming to 360.

Networking - wifi built in, not built in, who cares? Any self respecting gamer would never dream of connecting via wifi. Too many different opportunities for the lag monster to rear it's ugly head. Plus I've heard some pretty funny stories with the PS3 not playing nice on home wifi networks - roommates being kicked off chats as soon as the PS3 connects, assigning the IP of that computer to the PS3 so the network just goes brain dead, etc.

Reliability - sure, RRoD ftmfl, but thank you M$ for backing your product with a 3 year warranty right out of the box that covers your #1 defect completely. Anything else, yep, gotta pay. Just like PS3.

Online Service - free vs pay. Or, free vs almost free. I mean seriously, has anyone else on this planet crunched the numbers? The pricing breakdown goes $8/mo, $20/3mo, $50/yr. That's $0.26/day, $0.22/day, and $0.13/day respectively. I mean c'mon, just don't eat fast food one day a month and you've paid for your xbox live. Stop using "I gotta pay" as an arguing point. I'm the brokest mofo I know and even I can still afford it! Plus, xbox live is going to be offering up DLC as soon as GTA 4 comes out that PS3 isn't getting. CoD4 just had a map pack release on 360.

For myself, there is NO reason right now to own a PS3. All the time we're hearing "20/60 gig, no 20, now 40, no 60, now 80, no 80, well maybe an 80 a few months from now in different colors" MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MINDS! lol. I'm afraid to buy the damn thing - don't wanna get screwed out of having a better option later on down the line.

Just buy an elite and call it a day :beernana:

[Beodude123]

All you guys saying there are no games coming are forgetting one massively huge thing; Little Big Planet. That game could very well change the way we play games.

[Beodude123]

All the time we're hearing "20/60 gig, no 20, now 40, no 60, now 80, no 80, well maybe an 80 a few months from now in different colors" MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MINDS! lol. I'm afraid to buy the damn thing - don't wanna get screwed out of having a better option later on down the line.

Just buy an elite and call it a day :beernana:

Sounds just like the 360 dude... Premium, Core, Pro, Arcade, Elite?? All have different things.

[phosphite]

It's not hard to tell who the fanboys are from some posts, who already have their minds made up. I have neither, and I'm in the same boat wondering which to get. Here's my decision making process for which system to get.

First of all, if the game you want is only on that system, then you buy the game and the system, the choice is made for you. Simple! (So if you want Forza, get a 360...FF? Get a PS3) And you're done...if you fall in this category ;)

However, my problem is that the game I want (GTA4) will be out on both platforms. So now I think...which will GTA4 perform better on? Which has DLC? Will the DLC be available later, will it actually be worth the $$?

Also consider which system is cheaper up front and in the long run (free online vs paid online), backwards compatibility (if it matters), extra features (wifi, bluray player, photo/movie/music playback, motion sensing).

To me, the PS3 makes the most sense because of its features, and I do not want anything to do with the RROD. I'm not risking losing my system for 2-3 weeks because of a fatal hardware flaw, having to run to the post office and deal with that. 360 is like owning a Kia: sure it's cheap and does the same, and they fix it when it breaks for free (while under warranty only), but you have to keep bringing it back to the dealer and wasting your time.

I also don't care about sports games or first-person shooters, I like Jap games. If you like sports & FPS, 360 might be right for you.

I think I'll wait a month or two after GTA4 comes out and see what people say, and make my decision then!

[simplicity05]

Sounds just like the 360 dude... Premium, Core, Pro, Arcade, Elite?? All have different things.

Core was crap and nobody bought it, same as the 20gb PS3. Difference is, if you bought/buy a core/arcade, you CAN upgrade it to be the equivilent of a pro or an elite. Once you buy a PS3, you're locked into a certain set of sizes and features without the ability to upgrade.

However, my problem is that the game I want (GTA4) will be out on both platforms. So now I think...which will GTA4 perform better on? Which has DLC? Will the DLC be available later, will it actually be worth the $$?

360 is the one with the DLC. They've already announced that, a month or two ago I think. I was in a gamestop and their interviewer guy was asking about it.

Also consider which system is cheaper up front and in the long run (free online vs paid online), backwards compatibility (if it matters), extra features (wifi, bluray player, photo/movie/music playback, motion sensing).

Backwards compatibility shouldn't concern you considering you can get either an old ps2 or xbox for >$100. And really, once you start playing any of the next gen stuff, going back to the old games will feel like taking a block sander to your eyeballs.

Again, don't be a sally about paying for your online play. It's cheaper than any MMORPG ($10-$15/mo), and seriously, we're talking, at most, $50/yr.

Extra features - as I said, wifi should be a no-no for you anyways, both can do photo/movie/music playback, the 6 axis is annoying as shit to use for every single game out right now, and both are going to have blue ray in the end.

In the end, buy the one you're comfortable with. My best recommendation would be to try and find friends with both that both have a game that's on both systems (cod4, devil may cry, lost planet, madden, nba 2k/live, etc) and see which you think is better. There really isn't a difference unless you're running them side by side in 1080p on huge tv's, but what you perceive is the most important. Also, buy the system your friends have. Nothing is worse than all your friends having one of them and having fun online together and you're all by yourself.

[phony54]

That was kinda my thoughts, all my friends have 360s. However, I'm not a sheep, and I have always had Playstations. I also kind of like the idea of having the PS3 just because if I want to play 360 I can go to a friends house, if they want to play PS3 they will come to mine.

But I am a fan of being able to get online and play Halo3 from my house with all my friends. If only they would come out with some type of online game system that would work with both platforms. Then I could play GTA4 with anyone no matter what platform I choose. Never happen of course, but a good idea nonetheless.

[simplicity05]

I guess the only thing left to decide upon is how much you value being able to play with your friends online vs pestering them over to your house and vice versa when you want to play together.

Could also just, you know, buy them both :P

[phony54]

I would, but I think my wife would probably veto that idea...

[phosphite]

Again, don't be a sally about paying for your online play. It's cheaper than any MMORPG ($10-$15/mo), and seriously, we're talking, at most, $50/yr.

Extra features - as I said, wifi should be a no-no for you anyways, both can do photo/movie/music playback, the 6 axis is annoying as shit to use for every single game out right now, and both are going to have blue ray in the end.

I'm cheap. I'd rather not have to pay $50 a year continually for online service. I don't have to do it with my DS or Wii for online play, never had to for PS2, and won't have to with PS3. Why spend over $200 for 4 years of online when you don't have to?

Wifi is a must. My system is going in my living room and I'm not rewiring my house to run an ethernet cable through, and not running an ethernet cable along the floor. And whether you like the 6-axis or not is just your opinion of course :)

[Beodude123]

360 is the one with the DLC. They've already announced that, a month or two ago I think. I was in a gamestop and their interviewer guy was asking about it.



Backwards compatibility shouldn't concern you considering you can get either an old ps2 or xbox for >$100. And really, once you start playing any of the next gen stuff, going back to the old games will feel like taking a block sander to your eyeballs.

Again, don't be a sally about paying for your online play. It's cheaper than any MMORPG ($10-$15/mo), and seriously, we're talking, at most, $50/yr.




GTAIV is getting downloadable content for both platforms. It's just that Microsoft paid for theirs.

As far as backwards compatibility, it should concern you. Yes, you can get PS2s for cheap, but do they upscale all your games to 1080p? I've been playing a lot of PSone and PS2 games on my PS3 and TV, and they are looking better on my big screen than they did on a small CRT.


I'm not really a huge fan of online play, so if I had to pay for it, I would never use it. But as it stands, you get it for free on the PS3, so I use it. It works well for me.


But like other people have said, it all boils down to the games. If you like shooters, get a 360. If you like every other type of genre, get a PS3.



And no, the 360 won't be using Blu-ray any time soon. They might make an add on, but I really doubt it. Microsoft has already stated they have no plans of putting it in.

[ZX2guy19]

My 360 sucks dick. I just sent it in for service (surprise) and got it back and the screen is still all green so I gotta buy new cables for it. Shit pisses me off.

[AZN_ZX2]

Ps3 Ftmfw

[Sir William]

I own a 360, but I do like both and both have their strong points.

nuff said

[simplicity05]

As far as backwards compatibility, it should concern you. Yes, you can get PS2s for cheap, but do they upscale all your games to 1080p? I've been playing a lot of PSone and PS2 games on my PS3 and TV, and they are looking better on my big screen than they did on a small CRT.

If you must, but I still hold to the ideal "Polish a turd, it's still a turd".

And no, the 360 won't be using Blu-ray any time soon. They might make an add on, but I really doubt it. Microsoft has already stated they have no plans of putting it in.

Never said using it. It never used HDDVD as a format. It just used a secondary device to play the movies, and there's a lot of strong rumbling saying there will be an HDDVD-esque blueray player. Makes perfect sense too - if the demand is there, might as well. They never really gave a shat about HDDVD, that was toshiba's thing. As far as Sony owning it, I'm sure someone out there owns the DVD format yet everyone uses it, so I doubt this will be any different for blue ray in the long run. Props to Sony for getting the ownership and actually making the superior format. Those damn discs I swear are indestructible.

To whome ever metioned the format size you're half right - right on blue-ray.com they say up to 50gb on a dual layer format. I agree it still doesn't touch where flash drives are going though.

[Beodude123]

There are some rumblings about a Blu-ray player, but lets really think about Microsoft's strategy. The only reason they backed HD DVD was to create confusion in the marketplace to slow down the adoption of the next generation disc formats. They were quite successful with that. Microsoft is ramping up their own digital download service. Why would they want to make a Blu-ray accessory, when it would essentially take business away from their own service?


While I do agree that in the future, flash drives might be a way to distribute media.... Right now, a 32gb flash drive is over $130 on Amazon. I know they come down in price pretty quickly, but it's going to be quite a few years before it really is able to catch on. The movie studios do have to make money from their $30 sale.

[1981gMachine]

I have neither but want one of the two. I currently have a NES, SNES, PS1 and PS2. I've racked up countless hrs playing Halo and Halo 2 on the box. I also own every Gran Turismo game. So I'm torn... XBOX360 - Halo 3 or PS3 - Gran Turismo 5

Think I'm leaning towards the PS3 after watching some trailers of the Gran Turismo game. Cars sound much better then in the past.

[Beodude123]

If you must, but I still hold to the ideal "Polish a turd, it's still a turd".



Keep on enjoying your Escort dude.

[ChillinZX]

$60 for a 'blue-ray' game. $60 for a 16gb flashdrive. How much gb of data are actually on a typical xbox 360 disc and a ps3 disc? You can still have a good game on a 16gb flashdrive with instant load times vs a disc. Wait one more year and I'm sure you can get a 32gb flashdrive as much as a blue-ray disc. If I knew how to make video game consoles I would defenatly jump on this. Plus the flashdrives would be cheaper if its more massed produced.

[outkastrooster]

i have bot systems i chose to put the ps3 in my car for the clarity of the blue=ray movies i like one as much as the other

[zxtwou2]

i'm not even going to read through all that....IMO, a bluray player only costs a little less than a PS3...so PS3 all the way...and....GTHD/GT5 FTMFW!!!! :sheep:

[Beodude123]

Getting the media down to the price of a game is only the first step. To make it at all viable, they would have to get a 10 gig drive down to $5 or less. Digital distribution will take over before that happens.

[4U2QUIK]

Keep on enjoying your Escort dude.
Keep on enjoying your Escort dude...

[ravensguildassasin]

Once you buy a PS3, you're locked into a certain set of sizes and features without the ability to upgrade.






a ps3 you are locked into a set of sizes. jesus do you even look before you post? for f**k sake they tell you how to change the hard drive in the manual! for that matter you can chose any laptop hard drive you want and plug it in. hell they even let you put lenux on it! that makes it a small computer. not a great one but a computer none the less. so lets tally up here shall we. ps3 is a blue ray player + a gaming system + upgradeable hard drive + computer via lenux + a very good card reader + a media center.


( i am not a ps3 fanboy i will get a 360 soon. i just hate ignorant statements.)

[Beodude123]

Keep on enjoying your Escort dude...

I shall. LoL

[Beodude123]

This is nothing against the people in here, but I can't believe the crap people say about the PS3 man. I've heard some of the most ridiculous stuff. Even just in this thread. It's like nobody knows what it has...

[phosphite]

Lenux = Linux

The PS3 is being used for a lot of "supercomputer" tasks, since it's a cheap multiprocessor unit. Of course that has nothing to do with games, that just touts its insane computational abilities ;)

[FreekshoW427]

360 Elite = all heat issues dealt with so no more red ring of death

[Beodude123]

Uh, Elites still have all the problems associated with the 360. It's the Pros with HDMI that have the updated motherboards.

[simplicity05]

a ps3 you are locked into a set of sizes. jesus do you even look before you post? for f**k sake they tell you how to change the hard drive in the manual! for that matter you can chose any laptop hard drive you want and plug it in. hell they even let you put lenux on it! that makes it a small computer. not a great one but a computer none the less.


And just exactly how many people are going to take the time, extra money, and effort to do this? The average person isn't going to do this to their system. They're going to plug and play it.

THIS WARRANTY SHALL ALSO BE VOIDABLE BY SCEA IF (1) SCEA REASONABLY BELIEVES THAT THE PS3TM SYSTEM HAS BEEN USED IN A MANNER THAT WOULD VIOLATE THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF A SEPARATE END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR SYSTEM SOFTWARE; OR (2) THE PRODUCT IS USED WITH PRODUCTS NOT SOLD OR LICENSED BY SCEA (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, NON-LICENSED GAME ENHANCEMENT DEVICES, CONTROLLERS, ADAPTORS AND POWER SUPPLY DEVICES). YOU ASSUME ALL RISKS AND LIABILITIES ASSOCIATED WITH USE OF THIRD PARTY PRODUCTS.

Taken directly from http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/PS3/Warranties . Straight up says "Sure, you can do this, but if you eff it up, we're not covering shit." Pretty hard to wiggle out of that when running linux (spell check ftmfw)


so lets tally up here shall we. ps3 is a blue ray player + a gaming system + upgradeable hard drive + computer via linux + a very good card reader + a media center.

Very good card reader? There's different qualities of these? I always thought they did the same thing. You know, read the card, let you write back to the card. :eyes:

[simplicity05]

Uh, Elites still have all the problems associated with the 360. It's the Pros with HDMI that have the updated motherboards.

Depends upon manufacture date. Everything that was made during or after the halo 3 consoles is running the new falcon chipset.

[Beodude123]

A card reader is better than no card reader... LoL

[phosphite]

Oh noes my warranty...oh wait, it's a PS3, it's not going to break anyway! 8)

[simplicity05]

A card reader is better than no card reader... LoL

I guess, but you can take any USB card reader and plug it into the 360.

[ravensguildassasin]

Oh noes my warranty...oh wait, it's a PS3, it's not going to break anyway! 8)
X2
I guess, but you can take any USB card reader and plug it into the 360.

there are only a hand full of card readers for the 360 computer ones do no just plug and play.

[simplicity05]

There's only a handful of rims that fit our z's, not all of them bolt and play. This is relevant how?

[phosphite]

It's relevant cause you said
take any USB card reader and plug it into the 360.

So you can't just take any one now can you!

I'm betting the PS3 will work with everything, cause it's fizzling awesome.

[4U2QUIK]

[QUOTE=simplicity05;6912]And just exactly how many people are going to take the time, extra money, and effort to do this? The average person isn't going to do this to their system. They're going to plug and play it.



Taken directly from http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/PS3/Warranties . Straight up says "Sure, you can do this, but if you eff it up, we're not covering shit." Pretty hard to wiggle out of that when running linux (spell check ftmfw)

QUOTE]

I am currently running yellow dog linux on my ps3........
and their tech support covers it, and it dosen't void my warranty.....
sooooo....

[ravensguildassasin]

yup and yellow dog runs like a dream. :beernana:

[Beodude123]

[quote=simplicity05;6912]And just exactly how many people are going to take the time, extra money, and effort to do this? The average person isn't going to do this to their system. They're going to plug and play it.



Taken directly from http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/PS3/Warranties . Straight up says "Sure, you can do this, but if you eff it up, we're not covering shit." Pretty hard to wiggle out of that when running linux (spell check ftmfw)

QUOTE]

I am currently running yellow dog linux on my ps3........
and their tech support covers it, and it dosen't void my warranty.....
sooooo....

Just let the Xbot do his thing. You won't be able to sway him... LoL

[Blue ZX2]

Pc Ftw!!

[LunchBoxZX2]

Every card reader I have tried (USB of course) has worked with my 360. There's also media streaming which works like a charm and is often easier and faster.

All Xbox 360 models (Arcade, Pro, Elite) that were manufactured after mid-September 2007 utilize the falcon chipsets, new motherboards and updated heatsinks.

All of this is really just a matter of preference. 360 has a huge library of games already (they're going to hit 1000 titles sometime this summer) and is picking up steam with exclusives. Even RPGs are making their way onto the system, there is literally something for everyone. Mass Effect, Too Human, Gears of War, Forza, all excellent games and exclusive to the 360. Also, contrary to a few posts I've seen, the 360 is getting 100% exclusive content for GTAIV. This is not a debatable issue, it's a signed contract between Rockstar Games/Take Two and Microsoft.

Xbox Live Gold is $50 a year, but you get what you pay for. We've had all of the features that Sony is still trying to implement since day one, for around 2.5 years now, and we get dashboard updates twice a year to improve upon and add major updates. Xbox Live Silver is free... this still gives you access to game downloads, movie and TV store, etc etc.

With the PS3 you get built-in wireless, which can be good or bad depending on the placement of the console in relation to your wireless accesspoint. You get HDMI, digital optical audio, USB ports, and Blu-Ray built-in. Obviously you're future-proofed for physical media, so that's a definite strong selling point, but for a gaming console, that shouldn't be the deal maker/breaker, it should come down to the features and games.


Basically this just means figure out what you like and what you want to play and buy that system.

I realize that my posts are going to seem biased towards the 360 because that is what I chose to own, but in this situation, look at the facts from both sides. It's your money and your hobby, choose what YOU want, not what other people want you to have.

[PHeller]

How long before Sony ups their game and starts working on their online community? Yes, they've had a 2.5 years or so to do it already, but they may be waiting until Home goes online or something.

[4U2QUIK]

theironline community isn't that bad, depending on what you're doing.

[00EscortZx2]

http://i26.tinypic.com/21jc7pf.gif

Nuff said

[wifeszx2]

I say the 360 is the better console for the hard-core gamer. There are som many "good" titles to play. The top of the line system is $449, which leaves plenty of money left over for games and accessories. I have a 360; it has the 120gig hard-drive, 1080p HDMI output, wireless adapter, HD DVD player for $49, 2 wireless remotes (with vibration) and a keyboard, wireless and wired headset, 2 512meg memory cards and a camera. Sure you have to pay for XBL, but it's like $5 a month, and the online gaming for XBOX is so much better.

[younglink309]

*Obligatory WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII III!!!!*

[OGreaTFuzzY1]

yea and we don't have to download file to our hard drive like the ps3 has to. it takes 20 mins to an half hour to download the files onto the ps3 just to play Devil May Cry 4 alone which is 4 gigs or something like that. not worth it

~Fuzzy

[LunchBoxZX2]

theironline community isn't that bad, depending on what you're doing.

I recently bought a PS3 to play a few things like GT5 Prologue and whatnot. Their online community... it's pretty bad compared to 360. Nothing is truly integrated yet and it feels really disconnected. I hope Home changes that.

[phosphite]

Some games you install, some you don't. I'd rather wait 20 mins to install to have no loading times while playing the game. 360's don't have the option, you have to deal with old-school loading times while you play.

Right now PS3 lags behind in online services, but once Home is out, the 360 will look even weaker.

[CJW]

If the ps3 shop didn't suck as bad as it does, I didn't have to install every game to play, and it had halo...I'd be all over it.

Until then the only reason I will be buying the ps3 is for bluray and exclusive games and/or games that REALLY will benefit from being in a better format.

[LunchBoxZX2]

To be quite honest with you, the load times in terms of 360 vs. PS3 are within seconds of eachother. PS3 installs games to make up for the fact that Blu-Ray reads at a slower speed where as DVDs can speed up to access data faster. There is really no "comparison" to be made in that department, it is what it is... the PS3 needs to install some of that data, the 360 doesn't. The end result is not worth measuring in terms of a difference.

Home will not make the 360 look weaker. Home is Sony's answer to what Xbox Live has been doing for years. If you think that Microsoft isn't ready to make radical changes to their existing service which already has its core installed and implemented in the event Sony brings something competitive to the table, I think you're sadly mistaken.

Sony is trying to bring a social networking aspect to their online service because they need it to get people interested. They have always been behind the ball as far as online is concerned and now that Xbox Live has been the standard they have to try to "raise the bar" if that's what you want to call it.

I have had direct experience with both online systems so far, and the PS3 is lacking, plain and simple. A lot of people don't care about online integration, but a lot more people do. If you look at the XBL memberships in relation to # of units sold, roughly 2/3 of all people who purchased a 360 so far are XBL members. That's huge.

Anyway, I could go on and on about online integration and core services, but I have to get back to work. :-)

[phosphite]

GTA4 on 360 has load times between scenes/changes. GTA4 on PS3 (once installed), apparently does not have these load times. That's the benefit of having a HDD standard in the console, no oldschool PS2 style load times. Although having the option of installation would be better, that's up to the developer. I hate waiting for things to load while I'm playing a game.

[LunchBoxZX2]

The loading times on the 360 version are no more than 10 seconds, and it ONLY happens when you manually save or begin certain missions... running around the city and doing your own thing, there is zero loading. If the PS3 had a DVD drive and not a Blu-Ray drive, they would be the same. PS3 benefits marginally in this respect, for this particular title, as a direct result of Blu-Ray being slower and constant speed and the necessity to install game data.

It's not enough to get upset about, and I am not a fan of loading times... so for me to say that is saying something.

As I said before, arguing on this basis is going to be mostly fruitless as the real talking points between the two systems are online integration and content.

[Loser47]

I like the PS3's reliability compared to my 360, but i like the exclusive titles the 360 has. and, imo, the 360 controller is much better than the played out ps3 one

[Beodude123]

I like the 7 channel sound I get from my PS3. Good stuff!

[nowhre2hide]

I like the PS3's reliability compared to my 360, but i like the exclusive titles the 360 has. and, imo, the 360 controller is much better than the played out ps3 one

x2... i've always liked the xbox controllers better ever since the s-controller came out. i can't stand the ps controllers, they cramp up my hands.

[wifeszx2]

PS3 vs XBOX360 is kind of like the old PS1 vs Dreamcast arguement. IMO the Dreamcast had better looking games . . . no, the Dreamcast did have better looking games. The controller I believe was the downfall to Dreamcast. It had a single analog stick, and it only benefitted left handers, considering it acts as a mouse for aiming. If you wanted rumble you had to get a rumble pack, and I think you had to swap out between rumble pack and memory card, you couldn't use both at the same time. PS1 had the dual analog controller, built in rumble and memory cards went into the unit. But the games on Dreamcast were on the same level as PS2 and Gamecube, not quite XBOX quality though when it came to graphics. Resident Evil, Alone in the Dark, Quake III, Unreal Tournament all looked superb. And if you had an early model Dreamcast you could play the unreleased Beta of HalfLife that never hit the shelves (I know because I picked one up off EBay). PS1 just appealed to gamers more because gameplay was much more fun. This is why I feel the 360 is winning the console war . . . fun factor. It's like people who can afford a fancy Lincoln Navigator vs people who own a Jeep Wrangler. Sure the Navigator has a bunch of fancy bells and whistles, but the Wrangler is more functional for the purpose of being a SUV. There will always be more Wrangler owners, and people who own Wranglers have more fun in them that people who own Navigators.

[phosphite]

As I said before, arguing on this basis is going to be mostly fruitless as the real talking points between the two systems are online integration and content.

I disagree about online integration as a talking point, because the PS3 fails miserably here (at the moment).

Regarding content, PS3 has more games to come for it this year, although I don't know if they're exclusives. From a "Top 10 most anticipated PS3 games for 2008 list" (http://www.destructoid.com/top-10-most-anticipated-ps3-games-of-2008-84941.phtml), here they are:

Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix (Q3)
Fallout 3 (Q3)
Alone in the Dark (Q3)
Resistance 2 (November)
Mirror’s Edge (TBA)
Madden NFL 09 (August 12)
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (June 12)
The Legend of Spyro: Dawn of the Dragon (October)
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed (September 16)
LittleBigPlanet (September)

The style of games coming on PS3 seems a lot different than 360...360 gets most of the first-person shooter genre, PS3 gets a lot of different style RPG/jap games. I'm tired of FPS/capture flag/deathmatch games (if they were controlled with the Wii remote I would be interested, but not with an analog stick), which is why most games and online on the 360 mean little to me.

[wifeszx2]

That's because 1st person shooters rock . . . HARD! Ever since DOOM came out on shareware 1st person shooters have captured the interest of all gamers. I for one can't stand playing games where I don't feel like I'm in the middle of the action or that I'm not in control. I always hated Gran Turismo due to the views. Not until GT4 did they make a cockpit view where you are looking out the windshield. You could see the hood, pillars, rearview, dash etc.

[phosphite]

I still have my DreamCast. It was better than the Playstation, but the graphics were not nearly as good as PS2 or GameCube. The problem with DreamCast was the lack of some major titles, controller was garbage, and you didn't have to mod it to play games.

The Wii is generally the most fun system, and with the new titles coming out for that it'll remain the most innovative and fun for a while yet. (Wii Fit for one)

FPS were cool when Doom was out, then Duke3D, then Quake 1, Quake 2, Quake 3, Unreal Tournament, etc...I'm finding it's a tired genre for me though, as I've played them all online for years. Mouse/Keyboard yes, but controller, no. That's how I feel and why FPS don't interest me any more. Of course if you love FPS games, then the 360 is the system you need to have.

[Mizzou02RS]

I happen to like my PS3...

[LunchBoxZX2]

I like mine as well. Currently all it does is F@H but having a Blu-Ray player is nice and GT5 will be good when it's out. Other than that, I use my 360 for everything else.