Indecision 08

[phony54]

So I am curious. I have always been one of the few people who actually research their candidates before voting, pretty much for all races. However, this year I have not done so.

Just concerning the presidential election, who are you planning on voting for and why? i.e. abortion, war, and the candidates beliefs. Not just he is a white or black male or woman...

[kaliayev]

I already voted for a black women for Pres so the whole gender/race thing does not really mean much to me. I am not impressed by any of the major party candidates, so I am waiting to see if any third party candidates run before I decide.

[j0hnZ]

Don't like Obama's stance on the whole gun issues...
Hillary seems to be a big fat liar/tool
McCain too conservative for me.

I personally don't believe in pro life or pro choice. There are too many what if's involved so I will stay pro choice.
I won't vote for Obama because it seems to me like black people the majority vote for him because he is black. From all the statistics on all these primaries or whatever you call them.
Hillary all I see from her is name calling, and just flat out lying.

So I guess what I mean to say is unless an independant comes along that looks like someone I can back then I again will not be voting.

[kaliayev]

I agree John about Clinton, her whole concept of getting elected is you can't fool all the people all the time, but you can fool enough to win an election. McCain lost his balls in the 2000 Republican primary. Not to mention the fact he wants to keep us in a war for 100 years and has not a clue as to who the hell we are fighting. As for Obama, he is the anti-Christ... cereal.

[AZN_ZX2]

I'm not into politics but I'm worried people (not just black people) will vote for Obama cuz he is black. Oh its a minority he should be president! Same for Hillary.

But I am completely against women being president. Everytime they PMS the world will be minus one more country.

[McG35]

McCain is honest and tells the truth, anyone saying we can be out of Iraq in 2009 is out of their mind. We are in this, and we stay in it until it is finished, I feel McCain will be the man to do that for us. He is honest and isn't afraid to say he does not know instead of making up some bullshit. He has 200+ people in the white house to help him figure something out.

McCain 08

[McG35]

Not to mention the fact he wants to keep us in a war for 100 years and has not a clue as to who the hell we are fighting.


You might want to think before you say. If you had ANY idea about what is going on over there and any small amount of intelligence, you would understand that we cannot just pull out of Iraq. People know about Iraq from CNN, and CNN does not tell ANYTHING about what is going on, all they say is the US military is bad, we are making mistakes and we are going no where. They are DEAD wrong. Southern Iraq is actually run by the Iraqi Army. We have killed so many insurgents it isn't even remotely funny. we have lost about 5000 American lives right? My unit alone killed about half that in the tour we were there. The bad guys are losing, they are losing numbers and democracy will prevail. I am not saying this will be easy or quick, but give it time...

Enough of my rant. McCain is clear headed and understands the military. He was in it, and the military Presidents have been pretty good from my memory. If you want to talk about what is best for America in the war, put someone in charge who knows about it.

McCain 08

[FiReTRuCK_ZX2]

I think Obama for the fact it seems like McCain is just going to be another Bush.

[powder]

I'm gonna vote for Jesus.

[powder]

You might want to think before you say. If you had ANY idea about what is going on over there and any small amount of intelligence, you would understand that we cannot just pull out of Iraq. People know about Iraq from CNN, and CNN does not tell ANYTHING about what is going on, all they say is the US military is bad, we are making mistakes and we are going no where. They are DEAD wrong. Southern Iraq is actually run by the Iraqi Army. We have killed so many insurgents it isn't even remotely funny. we have lost about 5000 American lives right? My unit alone killed about half that in the tour we were there. The bad guys are losing, they are losing numbers and democracy will prevail. I am not saying this will be easy or quick, but give it time...

Enough of my rant. McCain is clear headed and understands the military. He was in it, and the military Presidents have been pretty good from my memory. If you want to talk about what is best for America in the war, put someone in charge who knows about it.

McCain 08

1. You're right in the 1st paragraph.

2. McCain's a back stabber.

[FiReTRuCK_ZX2]

Jesus 08!

[powder]

I'm gonna make a sign for it too.

[simplicity05]

But I am completely against women being president. Everytime they PMS the world will be minus one more country.

I don't think this is really a problem anymore. Seems to me she probably blew her O ring and went through the change right around the time that Mr. Clinton was using his executive O face

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6875/oface4kz.gif

[powder]

Jesus for president in 2008!

[kaliayev]

You might want to think before you say. If you had ANY idea about what is going on over there and any small amount of intelligence, you would understand that we cannot just pull out of Iraq. People know about Iraq from CNN, and CNN does not tell ANYTHING about what is going on, all they say is the US military is bad, we are making mistakes and we are going no where. They are DEAD wrong. Southern Iraq is actually run by the Iraqi Army. We have killed so many insurgents it isn't even remotely funny. we have lost about 5000 American lives right? My unit alone killed about half that in the tour we were there. The bad guys are losing, they are losing numbers and democracy will prevail. I am not saying this will be easy or quick, but give it time...

Enough of my rant. McCain is clear headed and understands the military. He was in it, and the military Presidents have been pretty good from my memory. If you want to talk about what is best for America in the war, put someone in charge who knows about it.

McCain 08

If he is so clear headed how come he still has no clue to the differences between the Sunni and the Shi'a. He does not understand Al-Qaeda or how to fight them nor does he have any real plan for the region other than leaving troops in Iraq for an indefinite period of time. He does not understand economics and has admitted as much. I respect the man's service record and he is a decent senator, but he is not even close to being a good Commander-in-Chief.

[5spdzx2]

You might want to think before you say. If you had ANY idea about what is going on over there and any small amount of intelligence, you would understand that we cannot just pull out of Iraq. People know about Iraq from CNN, and CNN does not tell ANYTHING about what is going on, all they say is the US military is bad, we are making mistakes and we are going no where. They are DEAD wrong. Southern Iraq is actually run by the Iraqi Army. We have killed so many insurgents it isn't even remotely funny. we have lost about 5000 American lives right? My unit alone killed about half that in the tour we were there. The bad guys are losing, they are losing numbers and democracy will prevail. I am not saying this will be easy or quick, but give it time...

Enough of my rant. McCain is clear headed and understands the military. He was in it, and the military Presidents have been pretty good from my memory. If you want to talk about what is best for America in the war, put someone in charge who knows about it.

McCain 08
I know its kind of nit-picking but thats wrong, its just under 4040 deaths for americans over there, god rest there souls. But i dont think anyone is suited for the being president other than Obama. He is the only one that truely has something different than the presidents within the past 20 years +. McCain is another Bush, which we do not need a repeat of that incompetent garbage, like we had from 1989-1993, and 2001-2009. We cetainly dont need another Clinton who sent our jobs anywhere they wanted to go with NAFTA, which i do know is only Canada and Mexico, but it doesnt help that my job went to Peru because of people like this guy. And i dont know how Hillary can say that she didnt support NAFTA all the while supporting Bill while he was president...Thats a huge contradiction within itself. The point is, ever since ive been alive (I know im relatively young, 22 tomorrow), its been Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush. Doesnt anyone but me think its time to let someone else take over the office? If McCain won, its just another Bush. If Clinton won, its obviously another Clinton.

As for the war in Iraq. Wasnt this war against terrorists? Tell me why were helping to save the Iraqi's and not chase Osama and his crew down. Does that not seem like Bush Jr. just trying to finish the job Bush Sr. started? Lets see...Osama and his crew were the ones that supposedely attacked us, yet were after Sadam (yes i know hes done for now) and now we have to re-establish there government. Yes we need to pull out, its killing our economy, just look at the damn numbers and see how much weve lost towards this. Dont watch the news, read it for yourself. Theres pratically zero drama involved if you know where to read. The war lost its purpose in the beginning. We ended up going for the wrong purpose...Osama's still out there isnt he?

[McG35]

I just don't understand how you can believe that pulling out of Iraq is the right idea... American's are so ignorant about the situation over there. Yes we may be there for a while BUT, I would rather Iraq become a 10 year thing rather to just up and leave and for everything to go to shit... Stop thinking selfishly and think about the big picture...

[capitalcrew]

Indeed. Iraq isn't something we can just shrug off. It isn't that easy, and leaving a country in chaos will give us MUCH more problems than if we stay and finish this. If we leave that country the way it is, terrorists will take it over in a matter of months.

[phony54]

I agree with parts of several of the last posts. I think it is probably time for some new blood in the White House, however, I am only going to vote for someone who has values or stances close to my own. If that happens to be Clinton, or god forbid a republican, then that is how I will vote.

As far as the war goes, I think we had no business at all going over there in the first place. However, we went, we fucked shit up worse, and I think morally it is up to us to fix it. I wish we had never went, but we can't just leave things like they are over there. If you think foreign countries hate us now, imagine if we walked out of Iraq today. Bombed out buildings, no government to speak of, and USA to fix the things they broke. Then some terrorist or fascist regime will come in, help everyone out, and preach how it is all the Americans fault, and we will have a new generation of people that will literally despise us for what we did.

On the flip side, if we stay and help, we at least have the point of "well at least we stayed to put things back together."

Heard a great joke the other day.

If you are not a Democrat when you are young you are not compassionate enough. If you are not a Republican when you are older you didn't make enough money.

[ZetecInside]

But I am completely against women being president. Everytime they PMS the world will be minus one more country.

Newsflash: Hillary Clinton is in her mid-60's - she doesn't PMS anymore. Ever heard of menopause?

[Buster]

McCain too conservative for me.


I've never heard anyone say that before.

He's FAR from Conservative.

I am not impressed by any of the candidates.

[Buster]

I think Obama for the fact it seems like McCain is just going to be another PRESIDENT Bush.

That's incredibly ignorant of facts.

Examining McCain's background, career and voting record will show you that he is nothing like PRESIDENT Bush.



Obama has no experience, has many corrupt acquaintances including enemies of the nation. He presents NO ideas, speaks in generalities and preys on emotional voters rather than those who think and want substance and ideas. Hope has NEVER accomplished anything. He is also a racist, as his his wife. Electing him would not be a breakthrough in racial relations, it would set the nation back considerably because he's a divider, not a uniter.

Clinton is the most dishonest candidate ever, probably even moreso than her husband who disgraced the Office. She's running for a personal legacy, not for the good of her nation.

McCain has the military experience we NEED in this time while we are fighting off an organized group of people who want to destroy us. No amount of diplomacy like the Democrat candidates will change their ideology and desire to destroy the civilized world. You can't trust people who use their own children as human bombs and McCain is the only candidate that understands this. Maintaining our sovereignty and STAYING ALIVE is the only important issue, because if we don't succeed in defeating radical Islam, no domestic issues matter. I do not agree with McCain on countless domestic issues, although he seems to have the right idea on the economy, but he is the only option for me and I will support him to defeat the other dangerous candidates.

[ZetecInside]

Obama has no experience, has many corrupt acquaintances including enemies of the nation. He presents NO ideas, speaks in generalities and preys on emotional voters rather than those who think and want substance and ideas. Hope has NEVER accomplished anything. He is also a racist, as his his wife. Electing him would not be a breakthrough in racial relations, it would set the nation back considerably because he's a divider, not a uniter.


I agree with you that Obama has no experience or concrete ideas and speaks mostly in emotional generalities. However, would you mind providing some evidence that he and his wife are racists?

[j0hnZ]

I've never heard anyone say that before.

He's FAR from Conservative.

I am not impressed by any of the candidates.

Just a generalization of the Republican party. I am not impressed either.

[phosphite]

Obama seems like the least-retarded and most honest candidate. I recommend everybody vote for Obama!

[phony54]

Besides the war issue, does anyone know what any of their stances are on abortion, gay marriage, etc.?

[j0hnZ]

zxtwou had a link to all of there stances and what not.

[McG35]

I don't know and this may be in the wrong place, but abortion should be 100% legal, let the parents make the choice...

[j0hnZ]

It might save some grief for all the emo's anyways.

[Buster]

I agree with you that Obama has no experience or concrete ideas and speaks mostly in emotional generalities. However, would you mind providing some evidence that he and his wife are racists?

All you have to do is listen to many of his speeches regarding race. He often emphasizes "blacks" when speaking, threw his white Grandmother under the bus by calling her a "typical white woman" in a speech, has attended, contributed to, gotten married and had his kids baptized by a horriblly racist man in a racist church and even given him campaign positions in the past. Look up Michelle's college thesis on living in a racist nation. Obama is not a candidate for ALL people. He's constantly stereotyping white people and working citizens as he talks down to us.

Even aside from his racially-divisive personality and beliefs, he's an elitist. This can be evidenced by the speech he gave to a San Francisco last week when he said "bitter people cling to guns and religion". He can't relate to working people and seems to have an intolerance for them. This is why he'll feel no shame in taxing them (us) into poverty to pay for his social programs and initiatives. He views taxes not as a revenue-generator for the Government, but as a means to put everybody on an even level, a very socialist view.

This should disqualify him for the Presidency and after ballots are counted, that is what he'll find has happened. He's working out as a candidate much like John Kerry, someone who is unelectable because of his inability to relate to the voters who pay attention.

Here's a couple of good reads.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/a_living_lie.html

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DavidLimbaugh/2008/04/18/mainstream_media_oblivious_to_relevancy_of_many_ob ama-gates

[j0hnZ]

The problem here is that everyone watches these movies such as Remember the Titans and seems to think only a black leader can unite. Total BS and the number 1 reason I don't watch any movies like that anymore.

[Buster]

I'd support a black candidate, not to get a black President, but because he'd be qualified. There are several I can think of without any effort, Michael Steele (MD), JC Watts (OK) and I'd even consider Colin Powell. Skin color is not even relevant to me and I'd bet it's not for most voters.

However, Obama is not a good choice for the first black President. He could damage the opportunity for future black Presidents because of his extremism and lack of actual qualifications.

Also, the fact he's constantly running as a black man rather than as an American is a huge turn-off.

[j0hnZ]

Skin color is not even relevant to me and I'd bet it's not for most voters.

It may not be for you but it is to the majority. From all the statistics that they are ringing out 85% of black people in Texas voted for Obama and like 8 out of 10 or something in Mississippi. I doubt that many people voted for him because of his politics. I know a lot of people aren't going to vote for him because he is black. See Southern "good ole boys".

[phony54]

I agree, you should not run as a black man, or a white woman for that matter. All that is is a ploy to get the minority vote. However, if Obama is successful in getting that vote, which he may, we may have our first black president before the year is out...

Again, I know nothing of him other than what I have read on this site so far, any one know of a site that might have a graph of beliefs. Something like this...

Legal Abortion Gay Marriage
McCain yes/no yes/no
Clinton yes/no yes/no
Obama yes/no yes/no

[Buster]

BEST resource I've seen:

http://www.issues2000.org/default.htm

McCain:
http://www.issues2000.org/John_McCain.htm

Obama:
http://www.issues2000.org/Barack_Obama.htm

Clinton:
http://www.issues2000.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

[phony54]

Awesome, Thanks Buster. That is pretty much what I was looking for. I refuse to be an uneducated voter. I would rather not vote than not know what I was voting for...

[ZetecInside]

All you have to do is listen to many of his speeches regarding race. He often emphasizes "blacks" when speaking,

Governor Schwarzeneggar has made speeched emphasizing Latinos for their role in California's economy, society, and politics. Does that make him a racist?

has attended, contributed to, gotten married and had his kids baptized by a horriblly racist man in a racist church and even given him campaign positions in the past.

John McCain has attended, contributed to, supported, and actively sought the endorsement of John Hagee - a psychotically extremist Christian pastor who is anti-muslim/catholic, blamed hurricane katrina on gays, and makes $1.2million dollars a year as the CEO of a "non-profit" televangelist network. McCain also has used a racist slur in public ("gook") several times and refused to apologize for it.

This is why he'll feel no shame in taxing them (us) into poverty to pay for his social programs and initiatives. He views taxes not as a revenue-generator for the Government, but as a means to put everybody on an even level, a very socialist view. This should disqualify him for the Presidency

You have a somewhat warped view of democracy if you believe this. If the majority of voters decide we should adopt a socialist policy of income redistribution, then that's the will of the American people. Why should someone be disqualified from office just because they advocate an economic system that YOU personally disagree with? That's pretty un-American. Let him run - the people will decide who/what they want.

[j0hnZ]

Hopefully it won't be him...maybe I'll just vote for someone other then him.

[Buster]

Governor Schwarzeneggar has made speeched emphasizing Latinos for their role in California's economy, society, and politics. Does that make him a racist?



John McCain has attended, contributed to, supported, and actively sought the endorsement of John Hagee - a psychotically extremist Christian pastor who is anti-muslim/catholic, blamed hurricane katrina on gays, and makes $1.2million dollars a year as the CEO of a "non-profit" televangelist network. McCain also has used a racist slur in public ("gook") several times and refused to apologize for it.



You have a somewhat warped view of democracy if you believe this. If the majority of voters decide we should adopt a socialist policy of income redistribution, then that's the will of the American people. Why should someone be disqualified from office just because they advocate an economic system that YOU personally disagree with? That's pretty un-American. Let him run - the people will decide who/what they want.

In your example, the Governor is being inclusive of another ethnic group. Obama excludes and divides along racial, social and economic lines. Nice try.

Hagee is not as extreme as you make him out to be. I've actually heard MANY of his sermons and he's a very moral man who loves America and supports the military and Israel. He's no Jeremiah Wright no matter how much you scream it. Also, McCain did not attend his church and is not a close acquaintance. There's no comparison and this "controversial" endorsement only arose after Obama was exposed for what he is. Pastor Hagee never once said "God ____ America" or we deserved 09/11. Wright is not Obama's only problem...he's also acquaintances with a terrorist (Ayers from Weather Underground) and is endorsed by Hamas.

I DID state that Obama can run and people will vote as they wish and he will not win. Un-American? Ha....sure, because I want to have an America that will not be bombed into oblivion? Okkkkkk... :confused: :rolleyes:

[j0hnZ]

Incoming battle of the politicians.

[ZetecInside]

In your example, the Governor is being inclusive of another ethnic group. Obama excludes and divides along racial, social and economic lines. Nice try.

Why don't you provide a direct quote in which Obama explicitly "excludes and divides" among racial lines?

Hagee is not as extreme as you make him out to be. I've actually heard MANY of his sermons and he's a very moral man who loves America and supports the military and Israel. He's no Jeremiah Wright no matter how much you scream it.

"Those who live by the Koran have a scriptural mandate to kill Jews and Christians."

"I believe that the Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans."

"As millions of people anticipate the release of the latest Harry Potter book and film, we're reminded once again of Satan's ongoing attempt to deceive and destroy. The whole purpose of the Potter books is to desensitize readers and introduce them to the occult."

"The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West… a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ."

- quotes from Reverend John Hagee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uViQ0hVV57Q

Refers to the Catholic Church as "the Great Whore", "an Apostate Church", a "false cult system", "the antichrist", etc.


"Not that extreme"? If Hagee is a "not that extreme" to you, you must be hanging around some SERIOUS nutjobs. You say Wright and Hagee are not comparable. That's nonsense. They are merely two different varieties of the same cancer of intolerance infecting this country. John Hagee is a hateful, divisive religious bigot. He's also bat-shit crazy. And McCain has appeared with him at speech events, sought his endorsement, and enthusiastically accepted it once given.

"All I can tell you is that I am very proud to have Pastor John Hagee's support." - John McCain

"It’s true that McCain’s campaign sought my endorsement." - John Hagee

I DID state that Obama can run and people will vote as they wish and he will not win.

Your exact words were "this should disqualify him from the presidency".

[Buster]

From his books:


In Obama’s book THE AUDACITY Of HOPE

* He wrote “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

In Obama’s book, DREAMS OF MY FATHER..

* “I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”

* “I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites”

* “That hate hadn’t gone away,” he wrote, blaming “white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”

However, while campaigning in Kansas, Obama frequently emphasized that his mother was white, and that he had grown up in a predominantly white world.

* (Obama) vowed that he would “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”

* “I was trying to raise myself to be a black man in America, and beyond the given of my appearance, no one around me seemed to know exactly what that meant.” Honolulu’s paucity of African-Americans meant he had to learn to be black from the media: “TV, movies, the radio; those were places to start. Pop culture was color-coded, after all, an arcade of images from which you could cop a walk, a talk, a step, a style.”

* About student life and race at Occidental College Obama wrote “There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.” He added: “To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.”

* While in college, Obama wrote(he) disapproved of what he called other “half-breeds” who gravitated toward whites instead of blacks.


* “And after college, he once fell in love with a white woman, only to push her away when he concluded he would have to assimilate into her world, not the other way around. He later married a black woman.”

* After making his first visit to Kenya, Obama wrote of being disappointed to learn that his paternal grandfather had been a servant to rich whites.

Check out his Selma Speech:


In it he says he can claim the legacy of the Civil Rights movement because his being born was a result of the March on Selma, his parents met during it.

The March on Selma was in 1965 and Barrack Obama was born in 1961

Reminds me of when Hillary Clinton claimed she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary. He had climbed Mt. Everest and gained fame AFTER she was born.

Any more lies, Senator?


Obama said ethnic cleansing is a positive thing:
VIDEO (http://newsbusters.org/static/2007/08/2007-09-12NBCTSObama.wmv)

DAVID GREGORY: You heard Secretary Rice say there is progress in Iraq that cannot be ignored. She spoke about when, not if, the United States prevails in Iraq. Do you see it that way?

BARACK OBAMA: I think it's important to understand that after two days of testimony , here's the bottom line: that having put an additional 30,000 troops in, and continued the same course we were on, we are now back to the horrendous levels of violence that we were back in June of 2006.

So there's no doubt that we've seen some measured progress in Anbar province, primarily because the Sunni tribal leaders made a political decision there that they would work with the coalition forces. We've seen a very modest reduction of violence in Baghdad, partly because [B]entire neighborhoods have essentially been ethnically cleansed. Those are all positive things, but we are now back at the levels of violence we were 18 months ago.


He called his own Grandma a "typical white woman" who was afraid of blacks.

He's also friends and has connections with MANY anti-semitics.

[Buster]

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"Those who live by the Koran have a scriptural mandate to kill Jews and Christians."



That's true. Try reading and researching the Koran. It also promotes lying to "infidels" if it can help you kill them. Islam is very strict with regards to women showing even an ankle but doesn't think twice about raping children.

It's not the religion of peace that the news tells you.

[ZetecInside]

* He wrote “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

In Obama’s book, DREAMS OF MY FATHER..

* “I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”

* “I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites”

* “That hate hadn’t gone away,” he wrote, blaming “white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”

However, while campaigning in Kansas, Obama frequently emphasized that his mother was white, and that he had grown up in a predominantly white world.

* (Obama) vowed that he would “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”

* “I was trying to raise myself to be a black man in America, and beyond the given of my appearance, no one around me seemed to know exactly what that meant.” Honolulu’s paucity of African-Americans meant he had to learn to be black from the media: “TV, movies, the radio; those were places to start. Pop culture was color-coded, after all, an arcade of images from which you could cop a walk, a talk, a step, a style.”

* About student life and race at Occidental College Obama wrote “There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.” He added: “To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.”

* While in college, Obama wrote(he) disapproved of what he called other “half-breeds” who gravitated toward whites instead of blacks.


* “And after college, he once fell in love with a white woman, only to push her away when he concluded he would have to assimilate into her world, not the other way around. He later married a black woman.”

* After making his first visit to Kenya, Obama wrote of being disappointed to learn that his paternal grandfather had been a servant to rich whites.

1) Most of the quotes you cited deal with Obama's youth and college experiences. There's a lot of formative social development at that age, and a lot of prejudices, especially for someone in his situation. Did it ever occur to you that he may have listed these thoughts as a cautionary example of someone getting swept up in racial confusion and prejudice? Or to contrast his ignorant youth with his more even-headed adulthood? This is stuff he believed when he was in his teens and early 20's. He's 46 now.

2) Many of the "quotes" you listed aren't even quotes from Obama or his book. They're quotes from third parties commenting on themes and events described in his book. Try again.

3) I copied the text of a few the quotes you listed and did a google search on them, which returned dozens of links to comment threads on various blogs. Many of these pages list the some exact same quotes you provided, which would be fine - except they list them in the exact same order with the same formatting. I'm just curious which site you cut and pasted this list from. :p

That's true. Try reading and researching the Koran. It also promotes lying to "infidels" if it can help you kill them. Islam is very strict with regards to women showing even an ankle but doesn't think twice about raping children.

Supporting passages?

[kaliayev]

I agree with Buster in regards to the teachings of the Koran. It is remarkably violent and intolerant towards other religions.

[ZetecInside]

[QUOTE=Buster;3644]From his books:

In it he says he can claim the legacy of the Civil Rights movement because his being born was a result of the March on Selma, his parents met during it.

The March on Selma was in 1965 and Barrack Obama was born in 1961

Check out his Selma Speech:



Reminds me of when Hillary Clinton claimed she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary. He had climbed Mt. Everest and gained fame AFTER she was born.

Any more lies, Senator?


Read the actual passage (not Rush Limbaugh's, Bill O'Reilly's, or whatever other neocon moron's blog you pulled that quoteless summary from). He never says that his parents met at the Selma march.

This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great-grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that the world as it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama.

He portrays himself a legacy of the Selma March. A stretch? Perhaps. But there are no outright lies here. He's merely channelling imagery of the civil rights movement for political gain. I'm not saying I agree with it, but its no more shady than what any other politician does.

Any more recontextualized words you'd like to put in Obama's mouth, Buster?



I find it interesting that you pounce like a rabid wolf on even the slightest verbal gaffe by Obama, Edwards, or Clinton, yet always seem to remain oddly silent about the controversies and mispoken comments from Huckabee or McCain.

[JonsZX2SR]

While Obama is getting the majority of the black vote, he also started his campaign trying to appeal across the electorate and risked losing much of the support from blacks to Hillary.

While Bill and Hillary screwed that up, Obama has continued to try to appeal across the board to voters.

I can't say the same for Hillary and most of her supporters...

I do think that hillary has shown a woman can run for president, but just being the 1st doesn't mean she deserved the nomination. There will be a woman president during Hillary's lifetime, it just isn't going to be her.

Realistically, between Mccain, H. Clinton or Obama there isn't a strong leader who would unify the country. Obama and mccain are about equally capable and equally flawed. I'm not sure which i would vote for.

[Rev]

I can't vote because i'm one of them imagrant folks that took yur jobs!!!!

[JonsZX2SR]

It isn't just the Koran and Islam. Christianity played their part in the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition wasn't exactly tolerant.

Some fundamentalist Christian groups refuse to tolerate opposing opinions and use the bible to spread hatefulness.

Zionist Isrealis want absolute control of the holyland and are incredible oppressive to Palestinians (who are pretty obnoxious themselves) and not particularly tolerant toward eastern Christians.

I wouldn't just point the finger at the Koran.

[kaliayev]

Those were Christian institutions that were and sometimes are noninclusive. The Bible itself or at least the New Testament does not spread any word of hatred. The same cannot be said of the Koran.

[mechtech]

Hillary and Bill Clinton are pathological liars, and are good at it. Read Kleins's book, "The Truth About Hillary Clinton". She is a scary scary bitch. Worse than Bill by far.
Obama wants to be JFK, and wants to be President - so what?. Change? Change your diapers.
BTW, no matter who gets in, there will be change. Endless repeating of this is nauseating.
McCain is decent, but by no means perfect.
I won't waste my vote for any other wannabe loser to show support [even though there may be better people and parties], and thus lose support for the lesser of two or three evils.

So McCain it is.

[powder]

I can't vote because i'm one of them imagrant folks that took yur jobs!!!!

You stole our jurbzzz!

[OGreaTFuzzY1]

no its yob

~Fuzzy

[powder]

boy backwards?

[kaliayev]

No Mech, no matter who wins there will be no major changes. Both parties bottom line is about protecting the status que. I don't think the next Pres is going to be given such a blank check by the Senate/House on foreign or fiscal policy as Dub was.

[powder]

Unless it's Jesus.

[Rev]

Well i don't really care who wins as long as they don't kick me out of the country lol. Sad, but true.

[SoCalZX2]

Don't take this wrong, but if you're here illegally... GTFO. If you're here on a visa or some other legal means. welcome.

[Rev]

lol i have a green card. just that it gets scary sometimes how many people really want immagrants out. Legal and Illegal

[SoCalZX2]

If they are hear legally I don't care. It's all the illegals that I want out.

[kaliayev]

No stats to back me up, but I don't think most Americans have a problem with legal immigrants. Personally I think they are good for the country. It is the 12 million or so illegals that piss Americans off.

[JonsZX2SR]

It amazes me how some people post distiorted interpretations of the words of others.

Buster's quote:
DAVID GREGORY: You heard Secretary Rice say there is progress in Iraq that cannot be ignored. She spoke about when, not if, the United States prevails in Iraq. Do you see it that way?

BARACK OBAMA: I think it's important to understand that after two days of testimony , here's the bottom line: that having put an additional 30,000 troops in, and continued the same course we were on, we are now back to the horrendous levels of violence that we were back in June of 2006.

So there's no doubt that we've seen some measured progress in Anbar province, primarily because the Sunni tribal leaders made a political decision there that they would work with the coalition forces. We've seen a very modest reduction of violence in Baghdad, partly because [B]entire neighborhoods have essentially been ethnically cleansed. Those are all positive things, but we are now back at the levels of violence we were 18 months ago.

Did you even bother to listen to Baraka ?? As Baraka presented it is given below. Note that he cites positive steps then goes on to note that violence has returned to previous levels.

BARACK OBAMA: I think it's important to understand that after two days of testimony , here's the bottom line: that having put an additional 30,000 troops in, and continued the same course we were on, we are now back to the horrendous levels of violence that we were back in June of 2006.

So there's no doubt that [B]we've seen some measured progress in Anbar province, primarily because the Sunni tribal leaders made a political decision there that they would work with the coalition forces. We've seen a very modest reduction of violence in Baghdad, partly because entire neighborhoods have essentially been ethnically cleansed. Those are all positive things, but we are now back at the levels of violence we were 18 months ago.

Nice attempt at distorting information. FAIL

[j0hnZ]

That's it I'm voting for powders mom...

[JonsZX2SR]

If they are hear legally I don't care. It's all the illegals that I want out.

I would encourage people to immigrate here legally... for one thing, those who come here legally and work hard make lazy people, both US citizens and illegals, look bad. Quite a few people I work with are permanent residents or naturalized US citizens who got here legally.

At the same time we need to have a better guest worker program for migrnt workers who do the work most residents wouldn't do. Once that in place, welcome those who work here legally, boot the illegals out and fine the employers.

What you really want are enough paths for people to come here legally, so that you can deal with the illegals swiftly. That way you have a better chance of deporting or imprisoning terrorists and trouble-makers.

[powder]

That's it I'm voting for powders mom...

I hope not, she supports McCain.

[Jade]

I'm not into politics but I'm worried people (not just black people) will vote for Obama cuz he is black. Oh its a minority he should be president! Same for Hillary.

There is no way in hell that I am voting for Hillary, and I am very proactive when it comes to women's rights and equality. She is a joke, and I wish that a more qualified and more serious woman candiate would have run for the first time (not that there's never been another woman that's run, but this is the fist time it's been a serious possiblity).

But I am completely against women being president. Everytime they PMS the world will be minus one more country.

ROFL! That totally made me laugh. Can you even call that a woman though? Seriously.... she looks like a man baby!

If they are hear legally I don't care. It's all the illegals that I want out.

As much as I want to agree with you, there are a HUGE part of our economy. Our world would be upside down without that cheap labor. You wouldn't be able to afford to eat if all of the illegals were thrown out tomorrow, and we had to pay american wages to people for some of the core labor that they work. There needs to be more legal means for them to be here for sure, but kicking them all out is not the answer, as much as the patriot in me agrees with you.

I've actually done a lot more research this year than I have in the past. It was actually Jimmy that really made me look at my own political stances when he called me a stauch Bush/repblican supporter for no reason, lol. As of right now, McCain seems the least evil. I don't agree with him on a few issues, but most of my core beliefs seems to be there (You never really know until they actually get into office!). Hillary I think is a joke. She can't keep a story straight, and what kind of woman are you to be publically humilated when you're husband is getting sucked off by another woman. I don't believe in marriage for political benifits, which is the only reason she's still with Bill. Obama is scary for me. His preacher has a definite influence on him, and that church's beliefs are very against my own.

Sssoo..... I guess it's McCain for me.

-Jade

[mechtech]

John Hagee is a stable and well grounded man.

[j0hnZ]

ROFL! That totally made me laugh. Can you even call that a woman though? Seriously.... she looks like a man baby!

Lawlz man baby ftw!

[ZetecInside]

John Hagee is a stable and well grounded man.


Sarcasm?

[JonsZX2SR]

There is no way in hell that I am voting for Hillary, and I am very proactive when it comes to women's rights and equality. She is a joke, and I wish that a more qualified and more serious woman candiate would have run for the first time (not that there's never been another woman that's run, but this is the fist time it's been a serious possiblity).

Hillary has proven a woman can seriously run for the presidency. In the future, a qualified woman will prove a woman can be elected. It isn't going to be Hillary, although I hope it happens while Hillary is still alive.

The problem with the Clintons, and Hillary in particular, is they think that if they can do something they are entitled to the opportunity. They don't respect the possibility that someone else may be more capable, may be more deserving.

I am happy that Obama came along and has given Hillary a good run. I hope he gets the democratic nomination. Hillary and Bill treated the democratic nomination as an entitlement and looked down on the voters. Now they are getting what they deserve.

[j0hnZ]

eh Obama getting the democratic nomination will probably force me to...oh wait no it won't I don't HAVE to vote.

[AZN_ZX2]

There is no way in hell that I am voting for Hillary, and I am very proactive when it comes to women's rights and equality. She is a joke, and I wish that a more qualified and more serious woman candiate would have run for the first time (not that there's never been another woman that's run, but this is the fist time it's been a serious possiblity).



ROFL! That totally made me laugh. Can you even call that a woman though? Seriously.... she looks like a man baby!



As much as I want to agree with you, there are a HUGE part of our economy. Our world would be upside down without that cheap labor. You wouldn't be able to afford to eat if all of the illegals were thrown out tomorrow, and we had to pay american wages to people for some of the core labor that they work. There needs to be more legal means for them to be here for sure, but kicking them all out is not the answer, as much as the patriot in me agrees with you.

I've actually done a lot more research this year than I have in the past. It was actually Jimmy that really made me look at my own political stances when he called me a stauch Bush/repblican supporter for no reason, lol. As of right now, McCain seems the least evil. I don't agree with him on a few issues, but most of my core beliefs seems to be there (You never really know until they actually get into office!). Hillary I think is a joke. She can't keep a story straight, and what kind of woman are you to be publically humilated when you're husband is getting sucked off by another woman. I don't believe in marriage for political benifits, which is the only reason she's still with Bill. Obama is scary for me. His preacher has a definite influence on him, and that church's beliefs are very against my own.

Sssoo..... I guess it's McCain for me.

-Jade

Lol well I meant women in general but I wasn't serious

[j0hnZ]

Yay, Obama lost in PA.

[JessicaOfVA]

Well as a white person, I could never vote for someone who has considered a racist minister his mentor for the past 20 years. And seeks him out for counsel. Obama obviously thinks highly of that minister and his opinion. Not to mention the fact that he made his campaign about words and can't use his own. And I don't agree that standardized testing in our public schools should include the arts. Overall I think people get wrapped up in his eloquent speeches and don't really think about what he's actually saying.

But I'm voting for McCain. I agree that the troops should not just be withdrawn. As someone else already stated... right now, it's not about whether you agreed with the war or not. It happened and now we have to look towards the future and the consequences of our actions. We cannot allow for someone as bad or even worse than Sadam to come in and take over. Than we would be doing the same thing that George Bush Sr did. And boy would people hate us then. And who better to help our country than someone who had actually served in the military. And not only served but was a POW for 5 years!

[j0hnZ]

Well as a white person, I could never vote for someone who has considered a racist minister his mentor for the past 20 years. And seeks him out for counsel. Obama obviously thinks highly of that minister and his opinion. Not to mention the fact that he made his campaign about words and can't use his own. And I don't agree that standardized testing in our public schools should include the arts. Overall I think people get wrapped up in his eloquent speeches and don't really think about what he's actually saying.

But I'm voting for McCain. I agree that the troops should not just be withdrawn. As someone else already stated... right now, it's not about whether you agreed with the war or not. It happened and now we have to look towards the future and the consequences of our actions. We cannot allow for someone as bad or even worse than Sadam to come in and take over. Than we would be doing the same thing that George Bush Sr did. And boy would people hate us then. And who better to help our country than someone who had actually served in the military. And not only served but was a POW for 5 years!

QFT

[Buster]

Well as a white person, I could never vote for someone who has considered a racist minister his mentor for the past 20 years. And seeks him out for counsel. Obama obviously thinks highly of that minister and his opinion. Not to mention the fact that he made his campaign about words and can't use his own. And I don't agree that standardized testing in our public schools should include the arts. Overall I think people get wrapped up in his eloquent speeches and don't really think about what he's actually saying.

But I'm voting for McCain. I agree that the troops should not just be withdrawn. As someone else already stated... right now, it's not about whether you agreed with the war or not. It happened and now we have to look towards the future and the consequences of our actions. We cannot allow for someone as bad or even worse than Sadam to come in and take over. Than we would be doing the same thing that George Bush Sr did. And boy would people hate us then. And who better to help our country than someone who had actually served in the military. And not only served but was a POW for 5 years!

:beer: :beernana:

Well said. All true.

[Buster]

Sarcasm?

Truth.


Tell me, how many of his sermons have you heard. Me? At least 50.

Besides, that failed attempt at a counter-controversy has been out of the news for over a month. Keep up with your talking points. :D

[Hypnose Zx2]

Jesus for president in 2008!

agree

[ZetecInside]

Tell me, how many of his sermons have you heard. Me? At least 50.

Are you disputing the veracity of the John Hagee quotes I provided you that shows his more extreme and bigoted views? Are you disputing the fact that John McCain has used a racist epithet ("gook") in public?

As a side note, are you admitting that the contextually ludicrous and in many cases fabricated "quotes" you pulled from Obama are innacurate and misleading? You haven't provided any rebuttals to what Jon and I pointed out.

Traditionally, when a person makes a statement that is later questioned for accuracy, said person either provides a corroborating argument in favor of it, or they have the balls to admit they were incorrect. You, however have a disappointing tendency to ignore questions about the accuracy of your facts and instead move onto the next point as if no one said anything. That's not an argument, its a shell game. Everything you post is public record here - you're not fooling anyone.

Besides, that failed attempt at a counter-controversy has been out of the news for over a month. Keep up with your talking points.

It's not "failed" just because you think it is. Rev Hagee is an equally controversial figure as Rev. Wright. And Obama and McCain's respective associations with them are equally controversial. Just because you have a pre-existing bias for McCain and against Obama doesn't mean McCain gets a free pass in the realm of facts.

Also, it's kind of humorous that you want me to keep up with talking points, since the Hagee controversy came out in the news after the Wright controversy, which you are still harping about.

[j0hnZ]

Gives freepass to mccain.

[Buster]

Also, it's kind of humorous that you want me to keep up with talking points, since the Hagee controversy came out in the news after the Wright controversy, which Obama keeps tripping back into.

;)

[greenbigdaddy]

id say that wright and obamas' relationship was a bit more intimate compared to that hagee guy and mcain, considering wright was his spiritual adviser as well as the fact he baptised obamas' children did he not? hagee is just being used as a hapless way to try and counter the fact that obama has a even poorer choice of freinds than a 70something year old senator.
but whatever, maybe we can find some more information on the internet or whatever that we can quote to make an argument for whos better. ive got a better idea you guys with me, good! lets judge the candidates by what theyve accomplished in their careers to help their country, not what they voted against to look mainstream. but then again that would probably nix two of the candidates.

probably the worst thread to restart my freaking thread count in what happened!!!!!!

[FiReTRuCK_ZX2]

So Obama may be a little racist. To be completely honest, what person doesn't have some sort of racism in them? Yeah, I agree with most, and alot of the black people in the state I live in think you owe them something. Yeah, your ancestors may have been slaves, but that gives you no right to think I or anyone else owe you something. I for one will admit that for a VERY long time, I was racist. When I was in the 9th grade, I was at a lockin at the ymca, and for no reason, a black guy walked up to me, asked me if I had a problem, and then sucker punched me in the face. I had a lot of hate until one day I realized, just because one is bad, doesn't make them all bad. I was walking down the street at my grandmothers in North Carolina, when I saw what I would consider a "Thugged Out" black guy walking towards me. I got a little nervous, but wasn't going to make it obvious by walking across the street. Once he got closer to me, he stopped (which made me even more nervous) and was like, "What's going on dude..." I said nothing and continued to walk, and he started up a conversation with me asking me where I was from, because he had lived in the neighborhood all of his life, and never saw me there before. He was a very nice guy, and I actually was very good friends with him for a long time.
In my eyes was this typical? NO. Not in West Virginia. But you know what, it opened up my eyes, and I've noticed that different people in different states have very different attitudes.

I have weighed my options, and am actually a registered republican. In my opinion, there is no perfect candidate for president. I see McCain as ex Vietnam Vet, POW, and a VERY VERY smart man. If Clinton becomes the democratic candidate, I will vote McCain, because I do not like Hillary in any way, shape, or form. If Obama can run this country near as well as he can speak, I don't think we'll have a problem. Who cares if he's made some pretty fucked up statements. Big Deal. Bill Clinton was an adulterous president. George W. Bush was a liar. Only thing he wanted to do was finish what Daddy started, trying to make him proud of his FUCK UP of a son.

I'll be voting for Obama if he gets the candidacy. those are my views.

[Fordgasm]

With the choices given.....


Im not voting at all.

[j0hnZ]

With the choices given I might have to vote, at least so I had done something to keep Obama out of office.

[JonsZX2SR]

With the choices given I might have to vote, at least so I had done something to keep Obama out of office.

I may have to vote for Obama to cancel out your vote, although depending on who gets the nomination, I'm voting ABC = Anybody But (Hillary) Clinton

...Hillary should run as the Autocratic candidate for president instead of trying to get the Democratic nomination.

[j0hnZ]

That's all fine and dandy, but at least I won't have anything to do with Obama going anywhere.

[Buster]

I may have to vote for Obama to cancel out your vote, although depending on who gets the nomination, I'm voting ABC = Anybody But (Hillary) Clinton

...Hillary should run as the Autocratic candidate for president instead of trying to get the Democratic nomination.

If you're so oppsed to Hillary, you haven't researched Obama's voting record. They're nearly identical except for the fact that he's a man and she's a woman. They both want to limit the 2nd Amendment, oppose the war on Terrorism (except Hillary initially voted FOR it and Obama was not yet in office despite his saying he voted against it...lie), they both want to secure the right for people to murder unborn babies, they'll both raise taxes dramatically to pay for social programs to further entrench us in an entitlement mentality. They're both textbook socialists. They also both have countless relationships with shady people, criminals, racists and terrorist sympathizers (or in Obama's case, actually terrorists like William Ayers).

[ZetecInside]

If you're so oppsed to Hillary, you haven't researched Obama's voting record. They're nearly identical except for the fact that he's a man and she's a woman. They both want to limit the 2nd Amendment, oppose the war on Terrorism (except Hillary initially voted FOR it and Obama was not yet in office despite his saying he voted against it...lie), they both want to secure the right for people to murder unborn babies, they'll both raise taxes dramatically to pay for social programs to further entrench us in an entitlement mentality. They're both textbook socialists. They also both have countless relationships with shady people, criminals, racists and terrorist sympathizers (or in Obama's case, actually terrorists like William Ayers).


Ah, yes - that's a very nuanced, unbiased, an evenhanded assessment of Obama and Clinton. :eyes:

Let's apply your ridiculous, partisan language-slanting towards McCain for comparison:

"He wants to perpetuate gun violence, supports the bombing of civilians, is opposed to women's rights, and wants to perpetuate cycle of poverty and maintain class segregation. He's a textbook facist. He also has countless relationships with shady people, bigots, and religious extremists (like John Hagee)."

Wow, character assassination is easy, isn't it?


BTW, still have nothing to say in regards to my previous reply (other than a sarcastic altered quote?) What's the matter, cat got your tongue?

[j0hnZ]

Any candidate in the middle of these 3 widely different people? Ya, I didn't think so weigh the pro's and con's of each and pray you make a good decision.

[JessicaOfVA]

So Obama may be a little racist. To be completely honest, what person doesn't have some sort of racism in them?


I'm not racist! I like to think of myself as equal opportunity. :D I'm a white person with a Hispanic husband and have had friends of all different races including black. I've grown up in a predominately black area. And even though I've had people be racist towards me, I have not let that affect my views towards that race. It's pretty harsh to hold one person's actions against millions.

[AZN_ZX2]

I dont think everyone has a little racism in them but I do think that everyone has some predetermined view of races in them. You can be perfectly non biast but still see an asian kid and think he's smarter than the rest of the class or see a black guy and think he is poor or see a hispanic person and think they mow lawns. A lot of times it isn't intentional, its kind of subconscious but it still happens.

[JessicaOfVA]

I dont think everyone has a little racism in them but I do think that everyone has some predetermined view of races in them. You can be perfectly non biast but still see an asian kid and think he's smarter than the rest of the class or see a black guy and think he is poor or see a hispanic person and think they mow lawns. A lot of times it isn't intentional, its kind of subconscious but it still happens.

The only thing I can think of like that, that I had thought was... I had thought that all Hispanics liked spicy food. But not my Inlaws, lol. Other than that, I don't really believe in stereotypes.

[AZN_ZX2]

The only thing I can think of like that, that I had thought was... I had thought that all Hispanics liked spicy food. But not my Inlaws, lol. Other than that, I don't really believe in stereotypes.

LOL well yeah but even if you dont believe it sometimes you think it. I know I have tons of times even though I don't really believe it. Like I see a blonde walk into a wall i think how typical when I know damn well it isnt true

[JessicaOfVA]

LOL well yeah but even if you dont believe it sometimes you think it. I know I have tons of times even though I don't really believe it. Like I see a blonde walk into a wall i think how typical when I know damn well it isnt true

LMAO. But still... Racism is focused on hate, whereas stereotypes are generally based on ignorance. I still wouldn't want someone in office who I felt may harbor hate for my race.

[AZN_ZX2]

LMAO. But still... Racism is focused on hate, whereas stereotypes are generally based on ignorance. I still wouldn't want someone is office who I felt may harbor hate for my race.

I hate green people. Got a problem with it??

[JessicaOfVA]

I hate green people. Got a problem with it??

Ha ha. Well I'm not green, so I guess I'm alright, lol.

[AZN_ZX2]

Ha ha. Well I'm not green, so I guess I'm alright, lol.

Sorry back on topic I forgot what thread this was

[j0hnZ]

Hey I'm green... /cry

[Hypnose Zx2]

McCain = Bush

SO BUSH FOR 08 OOO YAH!!!!!!!!

NO WTF are you guys dump........... lets go back to what we have anthor white old male that dont know shit, just got there with the people they know and the money they have...

anyone but McCain for 08!!!!!!
like
powders mom of even me!

[Buster]

^

Repost that in English and I'll post a reply. :D

What I think you're trying to say is a pretty ignorant (of facts) statement.

Try a little research on the candidates, unless that mastery of English is holding you back. McCain is NOTHING like President Bush.

What the heck is an "anthor white male"?

[Jade]

McCain = Bush

SO BUSH FOR 08 OOO YAH!!!!!!!!

NO WTF are you guys dump........... lets go back to what we have anthor white old male that dont know shit, just got there with the people they know and the money they have...

anyone but McCain for 08!!!!!!
like
powders mom of even me!


Here Buster, lets translate into english....

<asshole translation>
I think that McCain has the same policy stances that Bush does. So I think that McCain should be the next president.

That was meant as sarcasm. I dont believe that McCain is qualified, and the fact that he's white makes him an even lower possible candidate for me, that I believe would only get into office because he has money and knows the right people.

I would like anyone but McCain to be elected as the next president. Including powder's mom, or even myself!
</asshole translation>


:rolleyes:

-Jade

[Buster]

OH, so we have a racist voter in our midst. Obama supporter I presume?

[AZN_ZX2]

I caught that too but I don't think Jade is racist?

[JessicaOfVA]

I caught that too but I don't think Jade is racist?

He's referring to Hypnose ZX2. Jade was only translating what Hypnose ZX2 said.

[Buster]

I caught that too but I don't think Jade is racist?

Not Jade...that Hynpotized guy.

Jade was just trying to translate his babble.

[AZN_ZX2]

Oh oops sorry Jade. I is noob

[Jade]

Oh oops sorry Jade. I is noob

lol, it's ok. Its true. I am a racist. I hate white people, and black people, and hispanics, and asians, and everything in between. ;)

-Jade

[PHeller]

I would not agree that McCain is some sort of corrupt white man, that will get the vote because he's white and has been in politics and he has some crazy scheme.

McCain in my mind is one of the best Republicans there are. He's got a great history, with lots of foreign policy experience, lots of military experience, and is not afraid to say what he thinks. He's done many bipartisan things, take a liberal stance on some issues, and told the pundits to screw themselves. I like that.

I do however, think he lacks charisma (as an old man), has a 1970's view of world affairs, has oversimplified economic plans, and lets his frustration/anger get the best of him. He's a smart man, but he's a product of the military, and because of this, he'll listen to everything the military tells him, but doesn't care much what the public says.

That's part of my problem with McCain. I feel that he'll listen to whatever intelligence analysts will tell him, and we'll be chasing terrorists into every country on the planet, while our nation deteriorates. I'm scared he'll instate a draft, because that's what many military leaders believe needs to happen in order to win the war on terror. I'm worried that he'll continue to separate us from our allies.

I have nothing against have a strong military, but I want a President who's better at making friends than enemies, therefore I like younger, more charismatic individuals like Edwards, Richardson, Obama, and Romney (although I thought Romney's business history was shady).

If McCain went for a younger, more charismatic and multi-cultural individual like say...Bobby Jindal, he may have my vote. Even if he split the ticket by going for a Democrat like Richardson, or someone like Lieberman, he could have my vote. I just want someone to even out the office.

If not, I'll stick with Obama, if he wins the candidacy.

[powder]

My mom would find a way to lower gas prices... my vote's still on Jesus though.

[AZN_ZX2]

lol, it's ok. Its true. I am a racist. I hate white people, and black people, and hispanics, and asians, and everything in between. ;)

-Jade


Lol its not racist if you hate all of them

My mom would find a way to lower gas prices... my vote's still on Jesus though.

Idk I like superman...