Affordable Cryogenic Treatment

[ChillinZX]

Deep Cryogenic Tempering creates a significant increase in abrasive wear resistance and durability. The increases in tensile strength, toughness and stability may couple with the release of internal residual stresses. The end results are longer engine life, higher horsepower and less breakage. The one-time, irreversible treatment improves the entire structure, not just the surface, giving your engine stability only found previously in seasoned engines. Decrease the movement and increase your engine's performance and life.

Each:

Parts under 4 oz. $1.50
Pushrod/Tappet $2.50
Rocker Arm $2.50
Lifter $2.50
Valve $2.50
Valve Spring $2.50
Camshaft $35.00
Piston wo/pins $7.50
Sleeve $10.00
Con. Rod $7.50
Crankshaft $130.00
Engine Block $270.00
Cylinder Head $130.00
Complete Engine $450.00

Note: $75.00 Minimum Charge on all orders. Pricing does not include shipping, handling, and insurance. Transmission and rear end gears, shafts, bearings, and cases, axles, turbochargers and superchargers, and suspension parts treatment cost is $3.50/per pound. Brake rotor and brake drum treatment cost is $1.50/per pound. Parts should be clean, disassembled, and not torqued down. For further information and directions, please call (800)550-2796. Thank you! Dave Kimmel,
Email: dkimmel@300below.com

2999 East Parkway Drive – Decatur, Illinois 62521 – Office (217) 423-3070 – Fax (217) 423-3075

[capitalcrew]

Doesn't seriouszx2 offer this for free.?

[ChillinZX]

If its free why isn't anyone doing it then?

[capitalcrew]

No one has the spare parts laying around to send out to get cryo treated? I don't know, ask them.

[SeRiousZX2]

Doesn't seriouszx2 offer this for free.?

Yup. I have stated it atleast 100 times. I'll do it for free. The individual just has to pay for round trip shipping.

[pure]

After all these years I never knew that .. good to know , appreciate it.
Yup. I have stated it atleast 100 times. I'll do it for free. The individual just has to pay for round trip shipping.

[krux]

What all is done to cryotreat something?

[SeRiousZX2]

There are several different ways. Basicially it is frozen to -300 degrees and then taken back to room temperature slowly. During this phase, the weak pits in the metal are sealed, making it stronger.

[TTFOWIA]

^^ hey Serious, could that be done on gears and syncros? what about the diff?

[AZN_ZX2]

subscribed :wiggle:

[scort2498]

yes it can but if i remember the debate via old forum the stronger the metal is the more brittle it becomes...
would you want britte metal as your diff???

[ZX2 S/R Black]

Serious ZX2 I'm going to PM you soon... I'll send you some parts... :)

Dude... awesome service your offering... I'll give you something for the help :)

[TTFOWIA]

hm... arent strong and brittle kind of "antonyms"?

[scort2498]

kinda but thats how metal is... thats why my chefs knife is made of 8 diffrent metals so it's strong enough to keep it's edge/but not brittle so it wont break in my knife roll

[AZN_ZX2]

hm... arent strong and brittle kind of "antonyms"?

Harder something is the more brittle it is. Example silly putty is soft and not strong and obviously not brittle. Plastic is harder and more brittle. Um I don't remember exactly how to explain it but in my history class in senior year they showed a video of how katanas were made and they had to loophole it

[TTFOWIA]

hm... I think I get it... kinda like cast iron?

[SeRiousZX2]

Race teams have been cryoing trannys for years. I remember on the old site Mech had mentioned which parts would benefit the most and which ones wouldn't. Try contacting him for some insite on it.

[mechtech]

More HP? Yeah , right.

Unless you are super boosted, I would not treat the gears. Not needed and a tough expensive job to do right. Maybe the diff carrier and spider gears, but they are already hardened from the factory.
Use good gear oil and upgrade the differential to a posi or 4 spider gear set up from an Escape.
So what really breaks on our cars? Shift forks from abuse. Diff gears from spinning the tires or huge power.
I am not the cryo expert around here, but I don't see a benefit except for maybe the diff gears.

[ChillinZX]

I questioned the guy only about shift forks and differential and he gave me that parts list, I only copied and pasted it here for everyone to know about the pricing of cryo treating shit.

[TTFOWIA]

More HP? Yeah , right.

Unless you are super boosted, I would not treat the gears. Not needed and a tough expensive job to do right. Maybe the diff carrier and spider gears, but they are already hardened from the factory.
Use good gear oil and upgrade the differential to a posi or 4 spider gear set up from an Escape.
So what really breaks on our cars? Shift forks from abuse. Diff gears from spinning the tires or huge power.
I am not the cryo expert around here, but I don't see a benefit except for maybe the diff gears.

I dont need the diff treated... I have the MSP LSD. I was simply asking for other ppl

[ChillinZX]

Cryo treatment creates less friction between the bore and piston freeing up roughly 5% hp.

[mechtech]

There should be oil between the bore and piston, so how the parts are heat treated is irrelevant.

[Connal]

hm... arent strong and brittle kind of "antonyms"?


They are, it is actually quite in depth.

The main thing to remember is that hardness is directly proportional to brital. .britleness? I guess you would call it.

Look at it this way. If you have a pice of metal, lets say. . aluminum foil. It isn't hard at all. Now, lets say you take a paperclip and straighten it out. And then take a piece of harder metal. Lets say titanium/steel/iron anything like that. And lets say that all of them have the same dimensions. Basically a thin wire like object. The foil, it will just bend. Giving practically no resistance. Now, do the same to the paperclip. More resistance, but it still bends. Right? Now, lets say that the metal you have chosen for the third is much harder. It would be more prone to snapping when you bent it, than the paperclip, and the foil.

Now granted, we can get into a discusion of spring steel, and martensite, and the like. However, I won't go that in depth. When you do look at it from a more technological stand point cryo treating parts has advantages.

Less distortion from heat, and associated movement. Longer lasting parts (under most conditions) and the list goes on and on. However, with the prices involved, let alone getting the time to get everything taken care of, get everything dissasembled, shipped out, reassembled, and working. It really makes no sense for most uses aside from the hardest of the hardcore.

It does have it's benefits, but for the amount of power the average joe schmoe makes, and the budget he has, it isn't practical to get everything done.

Wow, that was a mouthful.

[powder]

Brittleness and hardness are directly related is such a general term... it leaves out all the fun parts.

Ultimately, gears should be case hardened. I went into this some on the old forum, but i'll say it again. Case hardening is the process of creating a hard outer shell with a soft inner core. The purpose of this is to make somewhat of an impact resistant surface w/ a shock absorbing core. The stock diff gears are case hardened, i've had metalurgy tests done. The fact remains is that they are not strong enough for the 2 main reasons listed below.

1. It's a 2 spider diff.
2. The gears are straight cut gears.

Had Ford put 2 helical spider gears and drive gears in the ZX2's transmission, we would not be having this discussion.

[TTFOWIA]

so the best thing to do would be to case hardened the gears?

[mechtech]

Our diff gears come treated.
I don't recall the exact process , but they are ammonium nitrided [or something similar].
This gives the hard wear surface with a non brittle core.

[nlsolja123]

i'd be interesteed in having a set of pistons and rods cryo'd, pm me with shipping info and a quote

[mechtech]

Pistons? Aluminum?

I'd leave rods alone, as they have suitable materials and treatment for their intended use.
Get nice forged ones that are stronger than stock if necessary, but otherwise I'd leave them as is. Get a bigger gun if you need it.