LOL Evo X

[Manbearpig]

Apparently mashing the gas isn't recommended.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff171/PELIGRO_350/05-06-08_0304.jpg

http://www.indyhpmedia.com/pics/DRAG/EVO/EVO%20X/Pedal/pedal1.JPG

http://www.indyhpmedia.com/pics/DRAG/EVO/EVO%20X/Pedal/pedal4.JPG

I don't even think the ZX2 is THIS cheap. :beernana:

[gold_member]

plastic pedals FTL

[zxtwou2]

everyone knows STi>Evo....but proof is always good. i sure hope Subaru makes the STi look better in a couple years so i can go buy one.

[Manbearpig]

everyone knows STi>Evo....but proof is always good. i sure hope Subaru makes the STi look better in a couple years so i can go buy one.

Doubt it. :lol:

Maybe a nice set of Recaros and some small touches might sway my opinion though.

[ZX2 S/R Black]

You know... I didn't like the new STI look... liked the older models better... but the newer ones have grown on me :)

[zxtwou2]

i refuse to drive most hatches...there are only a few that look alright.

[SeRiousZX2]

Interesting, I don't have plastic pedals.....

[TTFOWIA]

are you sure those are plastic?

[PHeller]

Many cars today have plastic pedals to make up for weight gains in other areas.

Minis, Acura's, other "reliable" cars have plastic pedals.

The difference, however, is that Mitsu A) Wont Cover this incident B) Obviously needs to check their plastic quality

[SeRiousZX2]

Again, mine aren't plastic.

[Buster]

Yet ANOTHER thing to look for when car shopping...platic pedals!


That was a horrible idea.

[SeRiousZX2]

Yet ANOTHER thing to look for when car shopping...platic pedals!


That was a horrible idea.

Yes, because Ford makes perfect cars :eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::shrug::shrug:

[Buster]

Never broke my gas pedal off. Roll your eyes all you want.








<cough> Mitsu <cough> Crankwalk <cough> crap

[ImCrazy]

that sucks but,

A new lancer is still better than an old zx2 IMO.

[JustAGigilo85]

Again, mine aren't plastic.

Don't worry. I see what you're posting. IIRC, you have a Lancer, not an EVO, right?

So if the Lancer doesn't have plastic pedals, are we to assume the EVO doesn't either?

[SeRiousZX2]

Never broke my gas pedal off. Roll your eyes all you want.








<cough> Mitsu <cough> Crankwalk <cough> crap


I can list a dozen of crap that has broken on a ZX2 that shouldn't. so whats your point?

Weak axels, weak shifting forks, weak spider gears, weak tranny, ect, ect.

Oh, and how lame to think that ZX2s don't fall victim to crankwalk. Just ask Vit about that. Besides, Mitsu has solved that issue with the new 4B11 motor. Atleast do some reserch before you <cough> at me.

[SeRiousZX2]

Don't worry. I see what you're posting. IIRC, you have a Lancer, not an EVO, right?

So if the Lancer doesn't have plastic pedals, are we to assume the EVO doesn't either?

Yes, I have the N/A lancer (for now). I'm just saying that my pedals aren't plastic. Our cars are built on the same platform and interior. I don't see Mitsu spending money R&Ding a different set of pedals. Besides, no story was posted about these pedals. Hell, I can find pics of STis with broken parts and make comments like, "Seem like your aren't suppose to shift your STi at 4000 rpms". get what I'm saying?

[zxtuner98]

The Subaru gas pedal is plastic. It looks a hellava lot stronger than that. That pedal must be very poorly made.

[SeRiousZX2]

Thats one out of {how many Evo X have sold}. If it was an issue I'm sure there would be large number of complaints about it. Again, no story so we have no clue what the situation was.

Besides, 100% of all parts made aren't going to be perfect. That is a fact in everything that is manufactured. Cars, electronics, humans, ect.

[zxtuner98]

idk about you serious, it just looks like cheesy plastic. I agree though...

[SeRiousZX2]

I don't know how it snapped. The entire pedal hits the floor and doesn't flex at all. The idiot was probably trying to change his pedals a screw up.

[SoCalZX2]

I've read reports of other parts I.E. brake pedals snapping off too on the Evo.

BTW comparison of EVO parts breaking vs a commuter car breaking is poor discussion skills. One expects a car that you're paying 35+k for to be better made then that.

So what if the ZX2 tranny shatters when you push 300hp through it... It's not built to handle that. So compairing it to a 35k car thats built for performance is a non starter.

[zxtwou2]

all in all..you still can't outrun the ugly overbite front and downs-syndrome tails on the lancers.

[TheGhostInTheMachine]

LOL what a POS.

[random_hero]

Posted on EVO Forums...

"Guys. This is a safety feature, much like the lizard tail dislodging when trapped, the new Mitsubishi patented GPOCS system ( Gas Pedal of Complete Safety ) system actives when the car goes into protection mode. The criteria for protection mode are as follows:

* In situations of overboosting based on controlled ECU levels and airflow
* Situations where the AFR rises above the optimimum mitsubishi engineer level of 9:1
* Any time the oil service interval has been ignored for over 50% timeframe/mileage
* Any time the stereo is on over volume 20 with 3 of the 4 windows down
* When you are on your way home from a bar with a hot to trot chick with herpes or any other serious STD as detected by seat sensers and the AWC system ( Active Whore Control)
* Any time you threaten to turn it in and buy a subaru.



It's not a defect. It's an undocumented feature."

[SeRiousZX2]

I've read reports of other parts I.E. brake pedals snapping off too on the Evo.

BTW comparison of EVO parts breaking vs a commuter car breaking is poor discussion skills. One expects a car that you're paying 35+k for to be better made then that.

So what if the ZX2 tranny shatters when you push 300hp through it... It's not built to handle that. So compairing it to a 35k car thats built for performance is a non starter.

More like 160hp. Members with stock ZX2s have trashed thier trannys.

I guess nothing has ever broken on a Lexus, Porshe, Lambo, Lotus, Corvette, Viper, Audi, ect right? What a joke.....

Just because you pay $35K+ for a car doesn't mean its "unbreakable" or "indestructable".

When did the Evo not become a daily driver commuter car??? :shrug:

[TheGhostInTheMachine]

When did the Evo not become a daily driver commuter car??? :shrug:


It's a factory riced econobox. Kind of like the STI.

[TheGhostInTheMachine]

Oh, and how lame to think that ZX2s don't fall victim to crankwalk. Just ask Vit about that.


In the ZX2's it was a manufacturing defect on very very few cars due to an undersize thrust bearing.

[SeRiousZX2]

It's a factory riced econobox. Kind of like the STI.

:beernana:

[SoCalZX2]

More like 160hp. Members with stock ZX2s have trashed thier trannys.

I guess nothing has ever broken on a Lexus, Porshe, Lambo, Lotus, Corvette, Viper, Audi, ect right? What a joke.....

Just because you pay $35K+ for a car doesn't mean its "unbreakable" or "indestructable".

When did the Evo not become a daily driver commuter car??? :shrug:

Talk about being a damn fan boy... I never said you expect it to be indestructable, or unbreakable you genious. I have NEVER had anything THAT CRITICAL fail on me.

The evo isn't a commuter car jackass. It may not full out race car, but no one has ANY need of that as a commuter car.

[aaronrun]

everyone knows STi>Evo....but proof is always good.
LOL wut??

[aaronrun]

It's a factory riced econobox. Kind of like the STI.
You didn't mention the GTI I noticed :p

[TheGhostInTheMachine]

You didn't mention the GTI I noticed :p

Last time I checked my GTI was a German econobox.

[Manbearpig]

Wow this conversation got way to personal for a few members.

[powder]

you don't need that pedal... just use the cruise buttons.

[zxtwou2]

all in all..you still can't outrun the ugly overbite front and downs-syndrome tails on the lancers.

^the real problem i posted hasn't been addressed yet, though. even the new fugly STi that looks like a nut sack being drug down the road on it's side looks better than the lancers.

[powder]

Not really. I saw a line of EVO's today driving past the stealership and they don't look too bad imo.

[AZN_ZX2]

Thats a pretty thick piece of plastic. Whoever broke it, didn't do so by any normal means. And yes the EVO can be considered a daily driver commuter car. Any practical somewhat reliable street legal non super car can be considered one.

[Bullitzx2]

i refuse to drive most hatches...there are only a few that look alright.

Do your research. The new STI comes in Sedan version aswell as the hatch.

http://www.cars.com/go/crp/research.jsp?makeid=45&logtype=6&mode=&revid=&year=2008&modelid=408&section=summary&myid=29484&section=summary&mode=&aff=national

[powder]

Do your research. The new STI comes in Sedan version aswell as the hatch.

http://www.cars.com/go/crp/research.jsp?makeid=45&logtype=6&mode=&revid=&year=2008&modelid=408&section=summary&myid=29484&section=summary&mode=&aff=national

You make me laugh. :wacko:

'08 STI only comes in a hatch.

[zxtwou2]

^^oooh, cars.com, i'll trust that site over the subaru site...NOT. check the subaru website..there is NO STi sedan, only the hatch. there is a WRX sedan, but no STi. do what research? trust me, if i'd seen a sedan STi at the auto show in Chicago, i'd have creamed....but alas, the hatch is all the STi comes in.

i LOL in your general direction.

[powder]

The other LOL is that you didn't read your own link. You pwn'd yourself. At the bottom under "Available Styles" there is only one option.

[zxtuner98]

Evo forever.

anyways.... Take a look at new Suabru and new Evo X. lol The Evo X looks aggressive up front, not too bad. The rear end, wtf were they thinking. The price tag is NICE for what your getting though. The STi is f'd up. I would not buy one. I do like the hood scoop how it flows better but its straying from its orinigal roots. I prefer the notorious hood scoop sticking a good 4" out of the hood. And hatchback? Why!? They killed the whole new impreza line with their redesign IMO.

[SoCalZX2]

Evo forever.

anyways.... Take a look at new Suabru and new Evo X. lol The Evo X looks aggressive up front, not too bad. The rear end, wtf were they thinking. The price tag is NICE for what your getting though. The STi is f'd up. I would not buy one. I do like the hood scoop how it flows better but its straying from its orinigal roots. I prefer the notorious hood scoop sticking a good 4" out of the hood. And hatchback? Why!? They killed the whole new impreza line with their redesign IMO.

Because hatchbacks are dominating the WRC, which is the heritage of this car ;)

[SeRiousZX2]

The evo isn't a commuter car jackass. It may not full out race car, but no one has ANY need of that as a commuter car.

It only puts down 220hp to the wheels. What makes it not a commuter car? Can you answer that fatass???

I guess every car that puts out over 200 hp isn't a commuter car. :shrug:

[LunchBoxZX2]

Kinda funny... watching this whole thing turn into a flame fest. ANyway.. FYI... the new Evo's all have these plastic pedals. Some Subaru's do as well.

Also, the new STI (which I kind of like, I hated it at first but it has grown on me seeing them out on the roads) comes in a hatch for the US, and the option of a hatch or sedan in Japan. The hatch design is the product of the desire for more structural rigidity and more cargo space, which Americans seem to need. It's been said the car performs better than previous models and has better road manners due to this design decision.

Having said all of this. I would never own an Evo. I'm not a fan of the Evo's styling, or Mitsubishi's build quality. I like the new STI, but I probably wouldn't buy one of them either. I'd rather spend the $70,000 for the GTR and have a true all-out performance car.

[krux]

Reading this. I guess some of you are taking it way to seriously. If you like your car great..who cares what other people think. Never got that since not 100 percent of people will love one car.

[SeRiousZX2]

Thats a pretty thick piece of plastic. Whoever broke it, didn't do so by any normal means. And yes the EVO can be considered a daily driver commuter car. Any practical somewhat reliable street legal non super car can be considered one.

Exactly

[zxtuner98]

If i could afford a TT supra, it would be daily driven. Id drive any car on the road i was allowed.

[SeRiousZX2]

He still hasn't explained what does and what doesn't makes a car a daily commuter.

Which BTW, making ridiculous statements without backing them up with proof is poor discussion skills.

I guess his Google Search is broken; can't find the answer to "What makes a car a commuter car?"

[EmoRebellion]

WTF? I thought the pedals were supposed to be some of the hardest metal in the car, to stop from deforming in a crash. :shrug:

Didnt read the thread, so :flipa: if this was brought up already.

[SeRiousZX2]

There is no story with the pics, so we doon't know if the individual was driving, just screwing around, or did it on purpose. IDK.

[powder]

My commuter car is about 210awhp.

[SoCalZX2]

Wow, attacking my physique? Calling me a fatass thats real good discussion skills (and from a moderator no less... classy).

Actually, my "lack of proof" is lack of caring to come back into this thread. I never said it COULDN'T be a commuter car guy... But it's not something I'd put 12-15000mi on every year. ANYTHING can be a commuter car, but are you going to drive a Z06, Viper SRT-10, Lamo, Ferrari, Porsche or any other higher end slightly exotic 12-15000mi a year? (before you start, yes all those are out of the realm of an EVO or STI, so don't bother bringing that up... point is, EVO and STI are well above your standard commuter car)

Commuter car to me is something that is reliable, yet not overly costly to run / maintain. Something you can drive daily and get good mileage / safty / reliability from. So no, IMHO neither the EVO or the STI are commuter cars. They are cars that are capable of being commuter cars, but not DESIGNED to be so.

Is that good enough for you? You drive a lancer, daily driver commuter that you're going to take reliability from when you boost. WRX - daily driver commuter that can be pushed way too far.

EVO/STI - Higher performance street cars with racing heritage. Can be daily driven, but I wouldn't just because people tend to mod them and take reliability / mileage away from the equation at that point.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!

[Manbearpig]

There is no story with the pics, so we doon't know if the individual was driving, just screwing around, or did it on purpose. IDK.

Story from EvoM

My frustration today is indescribable. I have been so in love with the way this car drives over my 05 VIII, that I have been ignoring some of the minor issues...mostly the problem with the tune. Before I say anything, this is THE best driving and handling car I have ever driven...EVER. I have been defending Mitsu here for months against the notchy transmission, poor paint quality, and the 8:1 AFR that they have designed into the tune that makes it idle and drive like ****. Today...no more...I am royally pissed off.

I turned 2000 miles yesterday, and I just happened to be in front of a crowd of STIs and older EVO owners, so I thought I would drive the car with a little enthusiasm....you know....so they could hear the studder and hesitation up above 5800rpm j/k

I pushed the accelerator to the floor as I normally would and the piece of **** broke off completely. I reached down and had the entire pedal all the way to the firewall in my hand. WOW! This is a safety hazzard!!! What if this happened to my 8 months pregnant wife on the highway in rush hour traffic!

So I call my dealer to express my frustrations with me sitting on the side of the road stranded in my new $41,000 car. The dealer has heard NOTHING about this "April reflash" that Mitsu has coming out, nor have they been informed of any other issues. I think the April reflash thing is BS. It was almost 8pm and they were closing, so they said I could have roadside assistance drop the car there and leave the keys in the night drop. I sat on the side of the road in the dark for an hour on the phone with roadside assistance while they tried to find a tow company willing to drop my car at the dealer...15 minutes away. I finally got so sick of waiting that I took my shoe off and wedged my foot up there and was able to press the accelerator with my big toe. I called my wife and had her drive the hour to come pick me up.

So why didn't I spend my $40,000 on a new 430hp Corvette? Good question.

[inis]

link please

[SoCalZX2]

It's somewhere on the forums of evolutionm.net Someone had posted the link on the old site.

[Buster]

So why didn't I spend my $40,000 on a new 430hp Corvette? Good question.


You learn from your mistakes. :D

[SeRiousZX2]

Did you not attack me first?????

And I quote:

The evo isn't a commuter car jackass.

If you are going to dish it, be prepared to take it. So grow up kid.

IF you would have done some research you would have found the top 10 things that make a car a commuter car.

1. A car that's going to make the commute as pleasant as possible.
+ 1 for Evo/STi
2. Comfortable seats
+ 1 for Evo/STi
3. Automatic transmission
+ 1 for Evo CVT
4. HVAC system
+ 1 for Evo/STi
5. Good stereo system
+ 1 for Evo Rockford Fosgate system with navigation
6. Controlled NVH
+ 1 for Evo
7. Good fuel economy
+ 1 for Evo (AWD that puts down over 230whp and gets 22-25 mpg)
8. Amenities around the cabin
+ 1 for the Evo
9. Powerpoints and a hands-free voice-activated phone system
+ 1 for the Evo
10. Structure of the vehicle
+ 1 for the Evo

Sounds to me like its a commuter car. And just because you mod a car doesn't mean its not a commuter car. Kenny Tran of Jotech drives his 700+ hp Supra to work everyday.

[SoCalZX2]

First off, don't call me kid. I'm quite sure I'm not one and may be older then you. Secondly I called you a jackass, as you were acting like one. So you're attack on my physical shape was much more underhanded and lowly. So you should take a point from your own comment and "grow up kid"

Of your listing, you're being completely bias trying to make points that aren't there.

pleasant commute - non harsh ride which goes more to the STI than the EVO, but neither has a plush ride, so on american roads, you're not going to have a great trip.

Comfortable seats - The average american can't really fit in the seats for an EVO or an STI. More can fit in the STI since they are not recaros... Both generally have seats for safety and control, not comfort.

Auto tranny - I drive a stick, thats personal preference

HVAC is a creature comfort that ALL cars come with, again I never said it was not a streetable car, please read. You can't sell a car that doesn't have creature comforts nowadays. Duh...

Good stereo - Neither have a great stereo and the original 04 STi came with NO STEREO

Controlled NVH - I'll be honest I don't have a clue what that is...

Good fuel economy - 22-25 is average at best, not good. And since both require the gas thats already nearing 4$/gal thats not a + point for either

Amenities around the cabin - Could you be anymore vague?

Power points and hands free... When I'm commuting, I'm not on the phone, or in need of a powerpoint in my car...

Structure - Is completely pure bias... since most of the last ones were +1 for the evo, you're obviously a bias individual and don't like someone making points about your love car.

You're not making any real valid points. Sorry, but it CAN be a commuter car, but neither were DESIGNED to be. And so what if you know someone that drives a 700+ hp car daily... that car wasn't DESIGNED to do that. It's obviously designed for speed and performance. A true commuter car is not designed for performance and speed. They are designed for reliability, gas milage and safety.

Reliability - Depending on the modifications and the driver can go out the window in a heartbeat

Gas Mileage - Depending on the modifications and driver is usually out the door. Either the EVO or the STI I doubt are getting their reported gas mileage from people that are driving crazy or have higher HP motors that are modded.

Safety - Kind of a null point because all cars are "safe" nowadays.

Fact is you just can't admit that the car doubles as a daily driver but with 300hp and awd isn't designed for it. It's designed to be on a track / dirt course and is mildly wasted being a grocery getter.

Get over yourself. You're not right all the time, nor are you anything but an Mitsu fanboy.

Lets put this in perspective... I have a 1966 mustang that when I completely restore will give EVO or STI a run for it's money @ road tracks / drag strips. Do you think that I will drive that daily? No, because it's not a commuter car.

[TheGhostInTheMachine]

The STI and Evo make shitty commuter cars. They're not aimed at the DD market. Sure some of us can and will (and have) driven such cars as DD's in the past. Personally, my next high HP DD is not going to be a factory riced econobox. For $40k I'll buy me a nice beemer.

[SoCalZX2]

For 40k I'll buy me a nice gently used 3-4y/o M3 :)

[AZN_ZX2]

There's so many holes in both of your arguments that I'm not even going to bother.

I'll just say EVO is a commuter car because there are plenty of more expensive, less gas efficient cars out there that are meant for commuting. Take BMW or Mercedes SUVs. Very expensive off the lot and to maintain and the gas mileage isn't awesome either. Does this exclude them from being a commuter car? Nope.

It also depends on what the person uses it for. If you buy it and don't mod it or only do it mildly commuter car but if you throw a bigger turbo with 20psi then obviously not but that goes for any car.

I suggest you guys get back on topic about the pedals, this is a good debate but leave the name calling out of it.

Oh and the new STI grew on me a little bit :wiggle:

[SoCalZX2]

There's so many holes in both of your arguments that I'm not even going to bother.

I'll just say EVO is a commuter car because there are plenty of more expensive, less gas efficient cars out there that are meant for commuting. Take BMW or Mercedes SUVs. Very expensive off the lot and to maintain and the gas mileage isn't awesome either. Does this exclude them from being a commuter car? Nope.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. Because I don't think of SUV's or TRUCKS as commuter vehicles either. Again, because it CAN be used for that purpose does not mean it is BEST used for that purpose.

As for the OP, it's lame that the pedal broke. I do hope it's an isolated case... but only time will tell.

[AZN_ZX2]

We'll have to agree to disagree then. Because I don't think of SUV's or TRUCKS as commuter vehicles either. Again, because it CAN be used for that purpose does not mean it is BEST used for that purpose.

As for the OP, it's lame that the pedal broke. I do hope it's an isolated case... but only time will tell.

Yeah jeez if it happens alot its a bit disappointing being from Mitsuishi

[inis]

if this helps, I hate mitsu and subi

/thread

[krux]

if this helps, I hate mitsu and subi

/thread

agreed

[powder]

The STI and Evo make shitty commuter cars. They're not aimed at the DD market. Sure some of us can and will (and have) driven such cars as DD's in the past. Personally, my next high HP DD is not going to be a factory riced econobox. For $40k I'll buy me a nice beemer.

My car works fine as a commuter.

[SoCalZX2]

My car works fine as a commuter.

Your car is neither an STi or an Evo... unless you've upgraded recently lol

[powder]

It's based off of the STI though. The seats are even less comfortable.

[SoCalZX2]

Based off of looks maybe... lol

And even thats out the window if people go with the 08 sedan.

[powder]

I don't have an '08. Mine's an '04.

[SoCalZX2]

I don't have an '08. Mine's an '04.

Really? I had no idea...

I was making an assertion that the '08 sedan doesn't even share the looks of the STI anymore... I know you have an '04 powder lol. Nowhere in my comment did I say you had an '08.

[ChillinZX]

The STI and Evo make shitty commuter cars. They're not aimed at the DD market. Sure some of us can and will (and have) driven such cars as DD's in the past. Personally, my next high HP DD is not going to be a factory riced econobox. For $40k I'll buy me a nice beemer.

I'll buy a new $33,000 Mustang GT and turbocharge it for $6,000 and I'll drive a nice $40k vehicle.

[Manbearpig]

Since no one in this thread has most likely driven an STI or EVO your points are quite mute as you are basing your facts on what you have read/heard.

[SoCalZX2]

Since no one in this thread has most likely driven an STI or EVO your points are quite mute as you are basing your facts on what you have read/heard.

Not quite mute, but maybe less weighted. Opinions do matter as they are what is first formed by reading and researching ;)

[Manbearpig]

Not quite mute, but maybe less weighted. Opinions do matter as they are what is first formed by reading and researching ;)

Yeah but can you honestly say everyone chiming in here and read about both the 08 STI/EVO? I think we have a lot of people hearing things 2nd hand from their buddies...and they are easy to spot.

[SoCalZX2]

I read more about the STI vs the EVO, but I've read about them both. TBH the only reason I really read anything about the EVO is because I read a lot of comparison articles on the two.

[RedRacer99]

$20k Cobra + $8k blowzilla charger > you :ttnana:

[Manbearpig]

$20k Cobra + $8k blowzilla charger > you :ttnana:

:eyes:

[R-Code]

I have 1 Evo X around my way, both I and another Mach1 took turn ass rapping him infront of his GF. Total waste of a car for the money.

[TheGhostInTheMachine]

I'll buy a new $33,000 Mustang GT and turbocharge it for $6,000 and I'll drive a nice $40k vehicle.

There's absolutely nothing nice about a new Mustang GT compared to a beemer. New Mustangs are complete and utter trash with shit for amenities and creature comforts.

[SoCalZX2]

Give the evo some time to come around. It's a new platform / motor so no after market. That and if the guy's new to launching AWD, the car will fall flat on it's face.

[Manbearpig]

Give the evo some time to come around. It's a new platform / motor so no after market. That and if the guy's new to launching AWD, the car will fall flat on it's face.

:something:

[SoCalZX2]

lol I'd ask wth that is, but it's entitled... "I don't know what the hell this is" lmfao

[Manbearpig]

Yeah it seemed awesome. haha

[R-Code]

There's absolutely nothing nice about a new Mustang GT compared to a beemer. New Mustangs are complete and utter trash with shit for amenities and creature comforts.

Who cars about amenities or comforts? Just give me raw performance for a cheap price.

[TheGhostInTheMachine]

Who cars about amenities or comforts? Just give me raw performance for a cheap price.

The vast majority of people who buy cars. Performance cars are a niche market.

[RedRacer99]

performance is nice, luxury is nice, but all in all, they all get us from point A to point B. speed costs money and everything eventually turns to rust and scrap, so i ask why give a shit?

[ChillinZX]

My ZX2 is nice, black interior, GPS, cop radar detector, nice Cobra racing seats, decent performance, professionally detailed every month during the summer and clayed once a year, smooth ride all the way up to my 142mph top speed, I enjoy it. My 1988 Escort... 40mpg smooth running daily driver, money saver, best $300 investment I ever made. My 2005 Escape, awesome 0-45mph performance, not as luxurious looking as my ZX2. The 2005 Mustang GT I had, good performance, nice shifter position, awesome sound system, good engine and exhaust tone, awesome burnouts, good drifter car, could use more powah after 120mph other then that it was a very nice looking car and the chicks loved it, too bad most of them were under 21. The problem with the 'tuner car' market is the media mainly, they don't advertise burnouts, racing, and 'spirited driving'. All I see nowadays are rich bastards and bitches in Cadillac commercials talking about nice amenities and how "It's not about the 300hp" or whatever the rating is at. You know what I'm talking about, If I ever meet those people I just want to slap them in the face. Well, I'll slap any rich bastard who doesn't care about 300hp or more, they will when it only has 130hp. But no, its all about the built in 7in screen navigation and cool gauges. I can make a pinto have a 7in screen navi and make cool gauges will it be luxurious then?

[TheGhostInTheMachine]

People buy cars for comfort, not racing. The big HP is nice to get those fat cars movin'.

[AZN_ZX2]

Yeah the purpose of cars or most vehicles is to get you from one place to another. And at the same time keeping the person inside safe and comfortable. Having a ridiculous amount of horsepower that isn't needed really isn't part of it because it won't help you get there that much faster. Maybe shave a few minutes off trip time, but thats about it unless you drive ridiculously fast.

[Escort Pimp]

I haven't read most of this thread but 40k for an Evo is ridiculous. I think they've forgotten what their market is. Evo's used to be a bang for the buck car and obviously the car is geared toward a younger crowd. Not many young people can afford a 40k car. The people who can buy a 40k car would rather buy a BMW for the same price.

[ChillinZX]

Most of the market nowadays are parents with money to buy thier spoiled kid an Evo. I bet you more then half the buyers of Evo's are 16-18yr olds that mommy and daddy bought for them. If my kid was 16 and was a straight A student I would buy him a car, but not a $$$ car. If my son was 16 right now I would buy him anything in the 20K or less market, most likely the new black Focus 2 door 5-speed, and maybe some rims for his birthday.

[powder]

Really? I had no idea...

I was making an assertion that the '08 sedan doesn't even share the looks of the STI anymore... I know you have an '04 powder lol. Nowhere in my comment did I say you had an '08.

I'm just trying to make a point. A dd isn't the same for everyone. My car happens to be loud, obnoxious and not super comfortable... yet i still enjoy commuting in it. If it weren't for the lousy mileage i would continue to do so and would have no need to buy another ZX2.

I would commute in an EVO or STI as would many, many others. I'd take a beem over any car in the EVO/STI category though, whether it be for commute or just weekend fun. I think both the EVO and STI are great cars, but they're still part of "that" category and association.

And i wasn't trying to say you didn't know i had an '04. Your points just seem generalized and based on no knowledge of the 2 cars your trying to make a point against.

[powder]

Most of the market nowadays are parents with money to buy thier spoiled kid an Evo. I bet you more then half the buyers of Evo's are 16-18yr olds that mommy and daddy bought for them. If my kid was 16 and was a straight A student I would buy him a car, but not a $$$ car. If my son was 16 right now I would buy him anything in the 20K or less market, most likely the new black Focus 2 door 5-speed, and maybe some rims for his birthday.

I still don't get why you'd buy him a Focus. They continue to get uglier and lamer as they progress in years... it being a Ford, i would expect this tradition to continue in the many years to come.

[ChillinZX]

I'm I Ford guy, Ford certified, and my entire family and relatives drive Fords. Anything Ford under 20K I'll get him.

[Manbearpig]

I love my car and all but it honestly makes a horrible DD.

Bad MPG. Loud. Very bumpy.

But I still love it.

[Manbearpig]

More EVO X Fail. Plastic CF...hahha

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm40/typoist/DSC_0469.jpg

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm40/typoist/DSC_0466.jpg

I got more but EVOM is down ATM.

[powder]

Nice... is that pink booster seat stock too?

[Manbearpig]

Nice... is that pink booster seat stock too?

It's part of the "pussification" option package.

[ZX2guy19]

It's just part of it being a family car.

[ChillinZX]

These new Evo's are slower too I heard. 14.0 in the 1/4 mile vs previous gen 13.5 1/4.

[SeRiousZX2]

The Evo is $32K here in Dallas. The new RallyArt that will be released this summer will be one aimed at the younger generations or "kids" like SoCalZX2. It will be $23-25K.

[SoCalZX2]

The Evo is $32K here in Dallas. The new RallyArt that will be released this summer will be one aimed at the younger generations or "kids" like SoCalZX2. It will be $23-25K.

LMAO are you serious? How old are you? Not a rhetorical question. I love the fact that you're calling me a kid... because I don't agree that the actual design of the EVO or the STI is for commuting.

You're seriously showing your ass here. I feel bad for you that days later you still have to try and get some punch in there. You once told me to grow up. I would like to point out the fact that between the two of us, you're still the one trying to get little shots in there.

I'm just about 28, happily married with a 3 month old child. While you'll most likely be stuck with a car payment most or for the rest of your life, I choose to drive a more economical car, with way better MPG and comfort than an econo-ricebox thats paid for.

So you go right on ahead... you keep throwing your punches, your little jabs in there. Whatever lets you sleep at night man. I just feel bad that you're a representative of this site as a moderator.

[TheGhostInTheMachine]

I just feel bad that you're a representative of this site as a moderator.


Don't think he represents the site just cause he's a mod. I run the server and I can be bigger dick than all the mods put together when I need to be.

[SoCalZX2]

Don't think he represents the site just cause he's a mod. I run the server and I can be bigger dick than all the mods put together when I need to be.

I understand that Vit... however, he's a moderator and as such people view them with higher standards (at least on most sites I've ever been to). His words speak loudly, and while he doesn't own any real piece of this site or server... as a mod he speaks for it with his choice of words.

[TheGhostInTheMachine]

I understand that Vit... however, he's a moderator and as such people view them with higher standards (at least on most sites I've ever been to). His words speak loudly, and while he doesn't own any real piece of this site or server... as a mod he speaks for it with his choice of words.

Eh, not really. Only to a small extent. I keep forgetting it's the l33t admins that are immune :P

[SoCalZX2]

lol.

I guess every site is run differently. It just seems that most of the other sites I belong to are very stringent on the people choosen to mod their site. Or the people just tend to be a little less bias lol.

[SeRiousZX2]

LMAO are you serious? How old are you? Not a rhetorical question. I love the fact that you're calling me a kid... because I don't agree that the actual design of the EVO or the STI is for commuting.

You're seriously showing your ass here. I feel bad for you that days later you still have to try and get some punch in there. You once told me to grow up. I would like to point out the fact that between the two of us, you're still the one trying to get little shots in there.

I'm just about 28, happily married with a 3 month old child. While you'll most likely be stuck with a car payment most or for the rest of your life, I choose to drive a more economical car, with way better MPG and comfort than an econo-ricebox thats paid for.

So you go right on ahead... you keep throwing your punches, your little jabs in there. Whatever lets you sleep at night man. I just feel bad that you're a representative of this site as a moderator.

I feel bad that you are a member of this fine site. How was I acting like a jackass? Please explain? Would you rather me just call you a dumbass instead of fatass? Are you so wrapup and that self preserved with your weight that you are offended by someone on the internet that says "fat"?

Why is it you are the only member allowed to give rude comements but at 28, happily married, and with a 3 month old child can't take them from the person you directed them too?

Car payment for the rest of my life? I have a 4 year loan on it? So I guess if I die before the next 2.5 years are up, then it will be for "the rest of my life".

Yeah, a 2 door ZX2 offers soooo much more comfort for a 28 year old, happily married, and with a 3 month old child than a roomy 4 door. WTFE!!

Just remember, I didn't attack you, until you attacked me.

that is all.

[SoCalZX2]

No, you just continued to keep attacking me after I moved on... Way to avoid the discussion LOL.

BTW, we have a 2001 ford escape for transporting the child in. The Z is my commuter car.

I'm not the only member allowed to give rude comments. I actually only gave one... everything after the jackass comment was strictly a differing opinion than yours. I actually took your comment quite well considering your rude comment wasn't really based on anything. You took a stab and I simply corrected your comment. Sorry.

So you're going the pay cash for every other vehichle you purchse after the lancer? If so then I retract my statement. (I on the other hand will be paying cash for every purchse 'except a house').

Comfort like a less stiff ride, not bouncing all over the place of higher spring rates and more rolling so one isn't moved from side to side as much with the transfer of weight when cornering.

I like how you avoided the question of your age... So I take it you're younger than me, but I'm still the KID right?

As for how you were a jackass, you took offense to the comments that people made regarding the production of the EVO. You started getting really defensive as if people were attacking you personally. That my friend, makes you sound like a fan boy jackass.

I don't care when the word fat is thrown around... except for when it's thrown around or at someone by someone else who has no real clue as to the other persons physic. It's a lame underhanded argument with no merit unless you know me personally... which you don't have that pleasure.

So please, continue making your sarcastic remarks trying to be the bigger badass, I don't care.. You win, congradulations!

[SeRiousZX2]

You win, congradulations!

Thats all I have been waiting to hear. Thanks....

And if you would do some research as if you cared, then you would realize how old I am. I'll give you hint, I have been in the Marine Corps for 15 years. Do the math and you will have a real close answer. Which makes you younger than me, kid.

[SoCalZX2]

Thats all I have been waiting to hear. Thanks....

And if you would do some research as if you cared, then you would realize how old I am. I'll give you hint, I have been in the Marine Corps for 15 years. Do the math and you will have a real close answer. Which makes you younger than me, kid.

LOL!

Ok, so I'm at least a few years younger than you are.... You're still acting younger then me by the comments you were throwing out.

;)

You don't win that one.

[SeRiousZX2]

I still love you....

[SeRiousZX2]

..... even though you hate being wrong.

[ChillinZX]

You and me are almost on the same page here. I have a 3 month old son ( 1/28/08 ), a 02 ZX2 (not dd though), a 2005 Ford Escape (same as you), a 88 Pony Escort (dd), a house. Ironic, lol.

[ImCrazy]

wow.

[ImCrazy]

LMAO are you serious? How old are you? Not a rhetorical question. I love the fact that you're calling me a kid... because I don't agree that the actual design of the EVO or the STI is for commuting.

You're seriously showing your ass here. I feel bad for you that days later you still have to try and get some punch in there. You once told me to grow up. I would like to point out the fact that between the two of us, you're still the one trying to get little shots in there.

I'm just about 28, happily married with a 3 month old child. While you'll most likely be stuck with a car payment most or for the rest of your life, I choose to drive a more economical car, with way better MPG and comfort than an econo-ricebox thats paid for.

So you go right on ahead... you keep throwing your punches, your little jabs in there. Whatever lets you sleep at night man. I just feel bad that you're a representative of this site as a moderator.

I am seriously fucking sick and god damn tired of you throwing the DEBT IS EVIL thing around on here, debt is just fine having a car payment for the rest of ones life is un-likely but i see nothing wrong with it, odds are i will buy a new car next year when i finish school pay on it for 5 years then go out and buy another car and pay on it for another 5 years when i want another one..

And still invest for retirement, not everyone has your goals or financial outlook so please do us a favor and stop making blanked statements saying that anyone with debt/ car payments is crazy and throwing their money away. Your outlook on this subject is idealistic at best.

[powder]

Yeah i'm kinda sick of the whole "i have less debt than you" argument coming into play every conversation also.

[TheGhostInTheMachine]

LOL @ the debt argument. Who gives a shit if you have a million dollars in the bank... it's just a million more dollars you didn't enjoy when your bones are turning to dust.

[Manbearpig]

I'm in car payment hell up to my neck and I fucking love every minute of it. :dance:

[ImCrazy]

LOL @ the debt argument. Who gives a shit if you have a million dollars in the bank... it's just a million more dollars you didn't enjoy when your bones are turning to dust.

fuck yeah vit right on the money. :monkeydance:

[SoCalZX2]

I am seriously fucking sick and god damn tired of you throwing the DEBT IS EVIL thing around on here, debt is just fine having a car payment for the rest of ones life is un-likely but i see nothing wrong with it, odds are i will buy a new car next year when i finish school pay on it for 5 years then go out and buy another car and pay on it for another 5 years when i want another one..

And still invest for retirement, not everyone has your goals or financial outlook so please do us a favor and stop making blanked statements saying that anyone with debt/ car payments is crazy and throwing their money away. Your outlook on this subject is idealistic at best.

I never made a blanket statement that anyone with debt / car payments are crazy. So do me a favor and stop putting words in my mouth. You're right, not everyone has the same goals as me. I never said anyone did. My outlook on what subject? The fact that EVO and STI can be commuter cars, but their overall design isn't for that? Or money? I doubt my idea on either subject is "idealistic". I'd be interested in how you think that, so please PM me the details on that.

When you actually have a clue as to what my thoughts on debt are, then talk about it. If you'd like a clue, send me a PM.

Vit, you're actually incorrect.... I'll enjoy my money every month while investing for my future / kids future / grandkids future. By enjoy I mean I'll be able to purchase whatever I want. so LOL at having a million dollars I couldn't enjoy...

Powder - I don't make that arguement almost ever... I didn't even make it here LOL. I make one comment about driving a paid for true commuter car, and all of the sudden I'm making a statement that I have less debt and I'm better then him for that? Ya'll read into that WAY too much.

Thats funny. Oh well, I'm done with this, it's gotten way too far off track and I'm sure I'll get blamed for it... not the super moderator that continued to berate me for no reason. Laters, now get back OT.

[TheGhostInTheMachine]

Vit, you're actually incorrect.... I'll enjoy my money every month while investing for my future / kids future / grandkids future. By enjoy I mean I'll be able to purchase whatever I want. so LOL at having a million dollars I couldn't enjoy...


LOL I surely don't have kids, and even when I do I'm certainly not paying for their cars, school, etc. That's a great way of raising spoiled little brats. I paid for everything on my own and didn't expect a dime from my parents.

[ImCrazy]

LOL I surely don't have kids, and even when I do I'm certainly not paying for their cars, school, etc. That's a great way of raising spoiled little brats. I paid for everything on my own and didn't expect a dime from my parents.

I feel the same way. Id pay for their tuition for a cheap school but that'd be it.

[lamouche98zx2]

i want's one bad.... but too expensive for a japan car...

[SoCalZX2]

LOL I surely don't have kids, and even when I do I'm certainly not paying for their cars, school, etc. That's a great way of raising spoiled little brats. I paid for everything on my own and didn't expect a dime from my parents.

Neither did I. And I wouldn't be just handing them money to make them spoiled rich kids ;) I agree that if I were to just pay for everything for them, then it would be a poor way to raise my kids, but thats not how it's planned.


Seriously, this isn't for this topic... so if you wish to continue discussion, send a PM or start a thread.

Edit:

http://www.teamzx2.com/showthread.php?t=1961

[TheGhostInTheMachine]

I don't really care.

PS: I'm not American or average.

[SeRiousZX2]

Seriously, this isn't for this topic... so if you wish to continue discussion, send a PM or start a thread.

The original starter of this thread manbearpig, can dictate how he wants it to go. Not you. He has yet to say, "get on topic". He can talk about whatever floats his boat in every topic he starts wheather its relative or not.

Besides, havn't you said that you were "done with this" like 4 times now?? Yet you still chime in.... :monkeybutt:

[TheGhostInTheMachine]

I didn't start this thread... lol

[SeRiousZX2]

I meant Chris....