Another S/R Bites the Dust..then makes a comeback pg 6

[JenzZx2]

Well, it's still to be determined, but I have a feeling the news wont be good. In the storms here last night the Z got flooded. Drew went to leave work last night and while the water had drained there was water in the cupholders and it wouldn't start. This afternoon I went and checked it out and could see where the water had come up the door half way. Luckily we still had comp on it so it's covered... we wont know if they will total it until the adjuster comes out sometime tomorrow. *sigh* Just when we finally had no car payments! Lets hope it stays that way.

[ZX2 Sleeper]

Omg, thats not good! Was it parked in the garage? Did your house get damaged?

[JenzZx2]

Not at our house.. it was on base near Drew's work. We have to leave it there until the adjuster comes out. The water must have had a pretty good current because the back end of the car had moved so the car was diagonal in the spot. Hopefully they can save muh baby.

[BlackEscortGT]

Man that sucks. I absoluly love your car and my girl really likes it for mainly the color. I hope you dont have to get rid of it. Good luck!

[zx2loon]

Sorry to hear the bad news......

[ZX2 Sleeper]

Well atleast your house is fine, but i'd be pretty upset if i we're you. Im Sure if it drys some and some new fluids.. It might be okay...

[Buster]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. :(


Part out? ;)


^Sorry.

[SeRiousZX2]

Make sure the intake, MAF, filter, and tb are dry. If moister is detected it could keep it from starting.

[raider]

that sucks

[SoCalZX2]

Dang Jen :( sorry to hear that.

[JenzZx2]

Make sure the intake, MAF, filter, and tb are dry. If moister is detected it could keep it from starting.

It's drying out now, they told us not to even try to start it, after the adjuster looks at it, they'll tow it to a shop and they'll deal with it. The whole inside needs ripped out and dried properly anyway...it's a mess.

[Kilroy]

There isn't a frowny face that would do my sadness for you justice... =<

That sucks so bad hun, hopefully it all works itself out and you don't have to get rid of it.

[vega]

WOW jen, i really hope they can fix it, good luck with it.
ill keep my fingers cross

vega

[inis]

dam that sucks, not only a s/r down, but a clean s/r that hasn't been totally molested.

[4U2QUIK]

It's drying out now, they told us not to even try to start it, after the adjuster looks at it, they'll tow it to a shop and they'll deal with it. The whole inside needs ripped out and dried properly anyway...it's a mess.

this is exactly what I was going to say. I had my subaru half submerged in an irrigation ditch 10 years ago. I let it dry out for amonth, dropped in a new battery, and offI went.

[rusty]

ehh thats no good =(

[yellow2000S/R]

Make sure the intake, MAF, filter, and tb are dry. If moister is detected it could keep it from starting.

If the water only got 1/2 way up the doors, I doubt any of that is effected.

They will have to clean all electrical connectors below the waterline, change the TOB for the clutch, clean all upholstery, and replace the PCM. What kind of exhaust do you have? You might need a new cat converter...

[ZXWHO]

Well if thats the case, there goes her performance. They will replace the NGP0 with a GSR0.

[lumiester123]

hopefully it will be fine this happened to mine a while back and it was alright. its just the smell of the rotten water is sooooo bad good luck!

[4U2QUIK]

OHHHHhhh yeah the smell is the worst. good thing the interior in a zx2 takes under an hour and under to strip down to bare metal and harness. I could probably strip the interior and replace the pan harness in about 6 hours. but it takes twice as long to reassemble...

[00zx2s/r]

^ya I took out all my seats and carpet to do a full wash and it took me about an 45 minutes to take it out, then about 8 hours to wash it all down, then another 45 for reassemble...


Sorry about your car! You know I loved it!

[Beodude123]

When I took my stuff out, it was already stinking pretty bad. I cracked some of the windows to at least let some of the moisture out.

[nlsolja123]

Im interested in the rear brakes and cluster if it's gonna be parted out

[JessicaOfVA]

Jeeze Jen, I hope everything works out! I had gotten into an accident with mine about a month after I paid mine off and they almost totaled it. But luckily the shop did what they could to cut the repair cost. Though mine isn't an S/R of course.

[david gettle]

Hope they don't total it, but even if they do, you still have the option to buy it back and fix it (though that would give you a salvage title). Also you may want to have the shop change the wheel bearings, it's not good for them to be submerged in water.

Normally an insurance company will allow you to buy back a totaled car for between $1.00 and $500.00.

[capitalcrew]

BUY IT BACK, BUY IT BACK!

Or buy it back and sell it to me!

Something!

Anything is fixable. F0 real.

[Kilroy]

Anything is fixable. F0 real.

This is true Jenz! If it can be broken, it can be fixed.

[capitalcrew]

Like his silver car! He broketed it. I fixed it.

[Kilroy]

I broke my yellow car too... =< it's been on jack stands for 3 days now.

[capitalcrew]

WAT. Lol. Chatbox.

[krux]

That is true Jen. Buy it back

[JenzZx2]

A bunch of vultures you guys are! lol

It's not even totaled yet so there isn't any buying back of anything.. still waiting to hear from the adjuster for the appointment. Hasn't called today so it might not be until tomorrow which sucks because the longer it sits there, the more moldy it's going to get, ugh.

[JenzZx2]

The stupid adjuster just called. They can't come look at it until tomorrow, saturday or sunday! If it's sunday it's going to be a freakin' moldy rank mess by then.

[Beodude123]

You guys are pretty bad... LoL Bunch of S/R part whores.

Stupid adjusters... It will be totaled out by the time they get there...

If they do kill it though, we will buy it back. Driving just isn't the same without the S/R.

[99S/R]

It WILL be totaled as the ins company won't take the risk of hidden damage/problems that may show up weeks or months later. Unless it was flooded in CLEAN water (yea right) dirt will be carried through the car and its work to clean than an ins won't deal with.
Buy it back, flush the engine and trans out to make sure water didn't get in and wash the CPU and let it air dry. Sounds like the car had been sitting for a while before it got soaked so their shouldn't be much worry about water in the engine/trans as it is usually the rapid cooling of a hot engine that causes the water to get in.
FIX IT FIX IT

My 99 S/R is a total and I don't care!!!! (dent behind right door below body molding and the stupid shop whined about too hard to fix)

Bill

[LunchBoxZX2]

When my first Mustang was totaled, it took the adjuster 31 days just to come out and look at the car. It was obviously totaled, because the rear end was completely smashed in and the hatch (it was a '93) was crumpled up and pushing the roof in.

So basically I had to wait 31 days before I could even get permission to be reimbursed for any rental car, etc etc. It also took 2.5 years for them to award me a settlement for my medical bills from the accident (I wasn't at fault).

That was back when I had StateFarm (horrible) and the other guy had Farmers (horrible x2).

Sorry this happened to your car, it's even worse that there's nothing you can do to try to salvage it in the mean time. :-(

[capitalcrew]

I have had no problems with state farm. They checked my car out quick-like after the accident and everything was good in a few days really. We live in two very different areas though.

[JessicaOfVA]

Usaa Ftw!

[Kilroy]

it'll give you an excuse to buy new carpet for your car? new carpet is awesome.

[MrWeeyums]

Be sure you buy it back if they do total it. It really wont be that big of a deal to fix. Drain the fluids and replace them, pull the interior and pressure wash it, and let everything dry. When you tried to start it did it crank and not start or just not do anything?
~Ryan

[Beodude123]

It was cranking just fine, it wouldn't start though. So I don't think it's hydrolocked.

[krux]

Yea sounds like your ok just let it air out

[Kilroy]

the sad thing is though that it'll probably never run/feel the same.

[LunchBoxZX2]

Cars that are damaged never feel the same. Just the way it is, and most of it is probably psychological, but it's no secret to anyone.

Hopefully things work out with the car for you guys. I personally wouldn't have the patience to deal with stripping it all down and getting everything back to new again. If you guys do then you're better people haha.

[capitalcrew]

My white zx2 feels the same. Lol. :shrug:

[JenzZx2]

Hopefully things work out with the car for you guys. I personally wouldn't have the patience to deal with stripping it all down and getting everything back to new again. If you guys do then you're better people haha.

Well hopefully that's what the insurance will take care of (if they don't total it).

If they do.. the patience to deal with that is a lot cheaper than having to buy another car! :)

[scort2498]

will ur rates go up or no?

[JenzZx2]

No, it's a comp. claim.

[R-Code]

Why not just tank the INS money, take off the perf parts you still have the replacements for, and buy another 99 s/r?

[carguy07]

there aren't very many 99's around. there were only 106 made originally.

[4U2QUIK]

300 actually

[yellow2000S/R]

300 actually

Where is this info?

Since 2005 I have only seen people posting approx 106 were made in 99 (all yellow) and just over 2000 were made in 2000 (500 red, 500 black, 1000 yellow).

[JenzZx2]

The paperwork that came with the S/R said 110 (99's).. but what's 4 really? lol

And they were only released in CA.

[JenzZx2]

Well, we heard from the adjuster. He said it's definitely a total loss. No figures yet, we have to wait until we hear back from the insurance company then start working out that part of it. I said we wanted to buy it back and he was like.."but why would you want to do that?" Not that it's any of his business..... he said that he'll put in his report that we want to buy it back.

That's all we'll know until we hear back from the company.

[Soadrocksever]

good luck, im sorry louisiana was so crappy to you. :(

[inis]

will you take pictures so we can see.

[JenzZx2]

Yep, just got home.. I'll upload the pics in a sec..

[JenzZx2]

The car was parked straight before.. the water moved the back end over
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inside the sub box was already starting to mold
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[krux]

Yea I want to see this. You will be fine..like stated above on what to do to the car. I have had great luck with slavaged cars before

[krux]

Take the rubber thing out in the bottom of the trunk and let the water out

[inis]

I'd take it home and let them make an offer from there... but go ahead and start working on it. There is a rubber plug in the spare tire compartment, pop it out....

[krux]

Oh yea if you want to start doing anything. Take the seats out and use the "little green machine" and start cleaning the carpet..or order a new one and throw it in there. With the panels get them from the yard and start going to town.

[JenzZx2]

We can't do anything until after the claim is finished otherwise we could change what they will give us for it. Once the claim is closed out and hopefully we'll have bought it back.. then we'll get to work.

We might try and find a cheap Z to buy in the meantime if we can find one around here.

[inis]

I'd atleast drain it, you have pictures .... and its STILL your property. If they say dont touch it, I'd tell them to F off.

Drain it, pull it in the garage and open the windows / leave trunk open.

[krux]

sound'nt take that long to get that thing going. Its up to you if you want another z or not. The great thing about these cars are there so easy to fix up

[rusty]

It probably fucked up the computer though, so id be careful when trying to drive it.

[airmanslacker]

I hurt a little more inside every single time I drive by it. At least I got to drive it once. It was the first and only S/R I've driven. There is an 03 for about $6000 at a local dealer. There was one for $3000 that I was on the verge of buying but decided I should sell my car first, and now it seems to be gone *tear*.

[vega]

Your car has sunroof right ?? Rob (from zxtuner) told me that only 24 99 s/r's came with it, i dont know if its true, but i really hope you can buy it back and put it on the road again (soon)

Good luck

vega

[JenzZx2]

Thanks, i hope so too. The reason I'm thinking we might should pick up a cheap beater is because it will take time to fix the Z (assuming we get it back) and right now we're struggling with getting around with one car between my job, Drew's job and the baby plus other things.. it's difficult. Plus the trailblazer isn't exactly good on gas, lol.

Even if the claim gets settled next week, it will probably take at least another week or two to get it going with our schedules and what not. It's kind of up in the air, we'll do our best to get her back on the road in one condition or another... i'm not sure if we'll have to wait until the title is straightened out or what.

[yellow2000S/R]

Thanks, i hope so too. The reason I'm thinking we might should pick up a cheap beater is because it will take time to fix the Z (assuming we get it back) and right now we're struggling with getting around with one car between my job, Drew's job and the baby plus other things.. it's difficult. Plus the trailblazer isn't exactly good on gas, lol.

Even if the claim gets settled next week, it will probably take at least another week or two to get it going with our schedules and what not. It's kind of up in the air, we'll do our best to get her back on the road in one condition or another... i'm not sure if we'll have to wait until the title is straightened out or what.

I'll fly out and buy it from you (depending on price), get it runnin, and drive it home. HAHA


GET IT BACK ON THE ROAD!!!

Your S/R and NYRichyone's S/R are the ones that made me want and mod my dads S/R.

[NYRichyone]

That really sucks Jen and drew, I have always loved your S/R.

I would...as others have mentioned, take out the 2 drain plugs in the trunk, there is one in the little pocket on the right, and one under the spare, crack the windows and moonroof, get any of the standing water out. ANY molding you can eliminate will be a plus in yours/drews and the babies health and will help the rebuilding process, you have pics and I would assume your Insurance company has plenty...no worries, that don't want the car either. I deal with Adjusters every day....they for the most part dont give a fuke about the car, they won't get shit for it anyway.

We here in NY get ALOT of the flood vehicals from the South, and I fix many of them, let me know when/if you start, and I can give you some very good things to do.

PS: I would also fly out and take her as is...name youre price.


And thank you Yellow, I have always been a fan of this car also.

[Beodude123]

Why not just tank the INS money, take off the perf parts you still have the replacements for, and buy another 99 s/r?


Okay, we'll just go to the corner and pick one up. I see like 10 every day.

[99S/R]

So how many of us have a 99 S/R?? obviously Jen does and I do.....who else??

Bill

[JenzZx2]

Update:

Looks like we'll be able to keep it. Preliminary figures are that we'll get about $2700 back, and get to keep the car. That number is after our $250 deductible and $450 to buy her back. Of course they didn't have that it was an S/R down or any of the aftermarket stuff, so she's going to submit that to the company and they'll give me a call back and see if that changes things. I'm hoping so because I'm not particularly thrilled with that number, but we don't have to accept it (within reason) either.

[zxtuner98]

gay.....

[NYRichyone]

NEVER....Take the first offer....I repeat....NEVER take the first offer.

They will give you more..not much, but more.

[ZX2 Sleeper]

My dad is an insurance adjuster of gieco. I was you guys were a few miles closer and also had geico insurance. Lol my dad would probally give ya some more for it.

[JenzZx2]

Yeah, my grandma owns an insurance agency (I also worked for her for 3 years) so she's the first person I called when it happened. She said to see what they are going for around this and it's more than the first number she (the USAA adjuster) gave me. But Again, that was just a preliminary figure not an offer.

[TSmiley98]

so what are your plans? Does the car still run? My advice, even if it doesnt, is to keep it, you will get the check less the deductable, and buy back, you will be able to fix the car alot of times for less than the check , you keep your car and get some extra $$ to upgrade it, if you are going to let it go I would be interested in paying you the buy back on it to get the car..

[Kilroy]

vultures... you're all vultures... =P

[TSmiley98]

yes, I think between me and my brother we have owned the most S/R's on here by far.. to date 3 yellow, 2 black and 2 red,

[slammmed]

good luck jen

[Mizzou02RS]

I'm sorry for your loss, guys.

Look at it this way...I'd say that Mamma Nature has told y'all it's time to move on and buy a better car.

:D

[JenzZx2]

Well, we towed her home this afternoon and Drew is getting to work.

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and Taylor just thought it was all too boring

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[carguy07]

i love how everything is put randomly in the yard or the driveway. that's how i like to do work too. . .

[JenzZx2]

Yeah, I asked Drew if I should take some to the neighbors but he said he'd prefer to fill the driveway first.

[ZXWHO]

Did the PCM survive or will you have to try to find a new one?

[TSmiley98]

how deep did it get?

[JenzZx2]

We don't know exactly, by the time Drew got off work the water had drained. We know it got as high as the cup holders/center console because they were full of water. The right side was lower than the left due the the way it was parked so it got high enough for water to get in the right headlight, but not the inners, or the left light. There's a line about 8 inches up the back of the front seats that looks like where the water came up to. There was also water in the oil when Drew drained it.

Oh, and I think the PCM survived.... it didn't start, but everything else seems to be functioning properly so once we get everything drained/replaced we'll see if it will fire up.

[TSmiley98]

pull the plugs for sure, drain and replace the oil, and of course trans fluid. turn over engine or blow out cylinders with air, (plugs out of course) not a bad idea to toss some lube in the top end while the plugs are out.. not too much because it will shoot out when you turn it over.. I worked at a salvage yard and as long as you dont let a flooded engine sit too long and flush it well with good oil it will live. .

[Kilroy]

It's a nice sight to see you guys getting to work on it! =>

[ImCrazy]

good luck getting it all back together again.....

[corby_baby]

im so glad you got to keep the car ;]

[Beodude123]

Man, I really worked my butt off today. I got started on it around 1300 (1 pm for you non military folk), and I wrapped it up around 2230. So far, I changed the plugs, drained the oil, drained the radiator and coolant, stripped the interior, and got all the water out. I also took out some of the dynomat that was in there.

I'm sure the back seat is trash, but I think we can work with the front two and get them to not be so smelly. The carpet will be okay too I think. I'll give both a good wash, and see where we are at tomorrow.

I wanted to put the ZXTuner header we have on, since I've heard that cats can get messed up from the rain. So I've got everything but the two bolts holding the manifold onto the exhaust off, but I'm having some trouble with those couple of bolts. It sucks.

Things are going pretty well. I had fun taking apart the Z. I've never taken out the interior, I've never taken off the front bumper, and I've never taken out a radiator. All were really easy, so it was kinda cool. Now we just gotta put it back together!

[capitalcrew]

Let me guess, the one behind the power steering? lol

[Beodude123]

Nah, the two bolting cat to exhaust. It's being a punk.

[capitalcrew]

Manifold to cat? Those can be a bish sometimes.. Shouldn't be too bad with the front end off though.

[Beodude123]

Nah, cat to exhaust. I'm taking the whole thing off, so the manifold to cat doesn't matter.

[capitalcrew]

Ah, true.

Heat it up man, Idk what else to say. Anything that will break down rust and heat. Worst come to worst just break it off and buy new bolts.

[Beodude123]

Yeah... That's probably what will happen. What's the best way to break bolts?

[mellowness65]

I heat 'em up and use an impact, at least that works for rear disc long bolts. Your interior is the same as a 99 sport right? If you need anything(such as a rear seat bottom ;)) let me know

[ZX2guy19]

Just dremel them off, I've had to do it on two different Z's. It sucks and takes about 20 minutes, but it gets them off and on your way. I'd recommend new bolts anyways even if you didn't cut them since those are often the rustiest ones.

[zxtuner98]

nice to see you guys making progress. its a nice ass car. good luck!

[NRRACINGCEO]

sweet to see your going to get it running it will be cheaper then having a car payment, My Z has been through two small creeks i believe and it runs very strong.

[Blue ZX2]

Torch the bolts FTW!!!!

Glad to see its going to turn out ok. And as everyone said as long as you put a lil oil in the spark plugs and crank it a few times it should be alright. Iv had my jeep underwater a few times and fully understand the joys of fixing it on the trail. But it seems you have things undercontrol.

[aprophetofone]

i would have never let the insurance company take that car away, even if they paid me.

[Beodude123]

So where do I put the oil on the spark plugs? On the center electrode? The ground part? How much oil do I use? I want to get the Z running tomorrow, so I need to know soon.

Everything except the tranny is drained. The header is on (what a pain), and the radiator is installed. All it needs now is the front bumped, and some fluids. Then I'll do the oil trick, and get her running again!

When I took the exhaust mani off, there was a lot of water... LoL. I hope it shoots out when I start the car. I'm pretty excited to have it going again. I've missed driving it.

I figure I've taken out somewhere around 150 pounds worth of stuff. After subs, amps, seats, carpet and the exhaust manifold, it probably is close to that. Should be fun! That and the extra power the header makes... Word

But yeah, I need the info on the oil thing.

[4U2QUIK]

Torch the bolts FTW!!!!

Glad to see its going to turn out ok. And as everyone said as long as you put a lil oil in the spark plugs and crank it a few times it should be alright. Iv had my jeep underwater a few times and fully understand the joys of fixing it on the trail. But it seems you have things undercontrol.

I've always used marvel mystery oil for this process. usually enought to reach the rings all the way around, so I guess it's just a rough estimate.

[TSmiley98]

a little less than a cap full of oil in each cylinder, turn it over by hand a few times to lube the walls, then crank it over with the starter, this wil blow any excess oil out, (DO NOT do this with the plugs installed) oil will not compress as with any other liquid, you will destroy your engine with too much and the plugs in.. you can also use a blow gun to blow out the cylinders, do all of this after putting fresh oil in the engine.

[Beodude123]

Ah, okay. So do you put any on the plugs or anything? It seemed weird to me, but that was what it seemed like somebody said....

[TSmiley98]

last I knew oil on the spark plugs was never a good thing.. maybe some gas to help a small engine get started but never on a car..

[Beodude123]

Okay, I thought that was kinda weird...

[Soadrocksever]

w00t. good luck on getting it back up

[krux]

Any progress of it starting?

[Sir William]

Drew and Jen, I've got my fingers crossed that it's all ok....

I hope it's saveable from the Vultures here on the site!!!

P.S. If it can't be saved "Dibs on the hood"....... ROFLMAO I'm just joking. I'm sure it will be fine!!!

[JenzZx2]

SHE LIVES!!!!

Fired up, first try. Sounds like shit though. About a half gallon of water shot out the exhaust and it's smoking like crazy. I think the cylinders need to air out a bit after the oil thing, sounds like it isn't firing on all of them.

[chasingsafety]

might need new rings after this adventure :(

[Mike]

Well her firing up is a good sign....hey...why not just tear the engin apart and put new "goodies" inside...of course....if the money is there for it. ;)

[krux]

Just let it air out a bit for a while. Good sign on it starting up.

[Sir William]

Hey Jen and Drew.... don't let it just air out... you will get corrosion.!!!!

Run it so that all the water mixes with the oil.....

Then change the oil one more time.

It's a PITA but it will help out.

Another thing you may consider doing is getting some spray like WD-40 (for Water Displacement) and spraying some of the electrical contacts so they don't corrode.

[JenzZx2]

Can anybody think of why it might not go into (or out of) gear while it's running, but will go into gear when it's off???

[capitalcrew]

00zx2sr just had this exact problem. Not sure what fixed it. Good luck..

[yellow2000S/R]

Can anybody think of why it might not go into (or out of) gear while it's running, but will go into gear when it's off???

Hmm, IDK, that's kinda weird.


I was told when I was looking at a flood damaged car that along with cleaning all electrical connectors with WD-40, replacing all computers, and cleaning interior, that I would need to purchase a Throw Out Bearing for the clutch and also inspect the clutch and flywheel.

[NYRichyone]

It sounds like the throw out bearing might be seized up. Does the clutch work....as in..take off?

[JenzZx2]

When the car is off, you can shift it into and out of gear. Starts in neutral just fine.

Drew tried starting it in first gear and it lurched like the clutch wasn't in.

Just an FYI, it had a brand new clutch installed in Jan., no issues what-so-ever.... so it's def. flood related.

He did empty the tranny and put in new fluid.. could there be an issue there?

[capitalcrew]

Throw out bearing.. could also be in the clutch hydraulic system.

Your car will start in neutral.? Mine won't.. :shrug:

[chasingsafety]

clutch cylinder perhaps

[JenzZx2]

How do we fix that?

[JenzZx2]

or check it anyway

[Mike]

Throw out bearing.. could also be in the clutch hydraulic system.

Your car will start in neutral.? Mine won't.. :shrug:

Mine will too...lol...


I think yours isn't the normal one for not starting in neutral...

[JenzZx2]

heres a crappy phone vid, haha

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/jenzzx2/th_0524081940.jpg (http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/jenzzx2/?action=view&current=0524081940.flv)

[4U2QUIK]

SHE LIVES!!!!

Fired up, first try. Sounds like shit though. About a half gallon of water shot out the exhaust and it's smoking like crazy. I think the cylinders need to air out a bit after the oil thing, sounds like it isn't firing on all of them.

that is normal, you'll need to let it idle for about 15-20 minutes after doing the oild trick.

[Beodude123]

I think it might have something to do with the brakes. I remember them being kinda locked up. I didn't know the systems were tied to each other.

[Kilroy]

that sounds so good =P

[Beodude123]

Yeah, the ZXTuner to S/R Borla sounds pretty loud. I didn't think it was going to be like that. I can't wait to take it out for a drive.

[Mike]

Sounds nice.

[JonsZX2SR]

Can anybody think of why it might not go into (or out of) gear while it's running, but will go into gear when it's off???

Pilot bearing where the input shaft meets the crank is the most likely culprit.

Misadjusted clutch that doesn't fully disengage (also possibly due to crap on the clutch from flooding) or throw out bearing are other likely suspects.

[99S/R]

The clutch is stuck to flywheel due to rust. If you have a SAFE place to drive, stab the clutch pedal down, put car in first , start engine and HANG ON. Keep the clutch pedal down and go for a drive. Romp on the throttle and back off as you drive. Stab the brakes with quick jabs and basicly drive like a dufus until the clutch lets go. Usually they break loose in the first 50-100 feet.

Good luck

Bill

[99S/R]

Remember Keep the clutch pedal DOWN until the clutch releases!!!!!!!

[00zx2s/r]

ya it's definately the clutch. I blew mine while auto-x'ing and had the same syptomps. you can shift when car is off, but when car is on you can't shift in to a gear at all... If the guy above me's post doesn't work, then just replace the clutch. That's wut I did and it worked!

[4U2QUIK]

had a similar problem with my subaru after It took a swim in a irrigation ditch.

[ZX2 Sleeper]

It's definitely the pilot bearing. When i installed my transmission with out the pilot bearing it did the same thing. And when my pilot bearing siezed and broke my clutch disc, it did the same thing. Your clutch disc could be fine, but while you have it all out, replace the whole thing!

[JenzZx2]

The clutch is brand new, so if we can avoid replacing the whole thing that would be ideal. I think Drew is gonna try to break it free today.. if that doesn't work, then we'll go to the next step.

[Mike]

Hope its only something smalll...that car is just beautiful.

[4U2QUIK]

I doubt it's the pilot bushing, because if that were true I would have had some serious issues with my zx2. My pilot bushing was completely gone when I swapped the engines out. there was just a bunch of shavings left.

[JenzZx2]

Well, he tried to break it free and once it's rolling it will shift (but not easily). It still lurches with the clutch in, but he can get it back into neutral at least.

However, the alternator is toast it seems. The battery was charged yesterday and after driving it around the block a few times and starting it a half dozen it's dead. Poopy.

[Mizzou02RS]

You're going to end up spending more than that car's worth to get it running...

[chasingsafety]

You're going to end up spending more than that car's worth to get it running...

I think %90 of the people on this site, including myself is guilty of spending more than our cars are worth, and I wouldn't have it any other way

[Soadrocksever]

i just spend 3k to rebuild my trans. le sigh. these damn cars

[Kilroy]

i used to be one of those %90 percent, but not with my new z =P

[krux]

I am happy that I spent the amount of money I have on my z. There is no really other car right now that I would want to spend that much on, since none of them I really like.

[david gettle]

If you include modifications, and the repair from the accident mine was in I know I'm in that group.

[4U2QUIK]

You're going to end up spending more than that car's worth to get it running...

sooooo not true.

[JenzZx2]

We were just discussing this... the thing is that it's paid off. Drew Really wants an RX-8.. so we were looking at them. So what, we spend 15K on an RX-8, or $1000 to get the Z running.. that's a no brainer, regardless of what it's "worth". We just can't justify a $15K car at this moment, and if we're gonna spend 2-3K to go pick up another grocery getter, we might as well keep the Z, at least we know how to work on it, and what all happened to it.

It sucks, and it's a PITA, but we prefer to be car payment free, and not drain our savings , when we have something we can fix. I figure if we can fix it for less than what they are going to give us for it.... than we're still on the up side.

[chasingsafety]

We were just discussing this... the thing is that it's paid off. Drew Really wants an RX-8.. so we were looking at them. So what, we spend 15K on an RX-8, or $1000 to get the Z running.. that's a no brainer, regardless of what it's "worth". We just can't justify a $15K car at this moment, and if we're gonna spend 2-3K to go pick up another grocery getter, we might as well keep the Z, at least we know how to work on it, and what all happened to it.

It sucks, and it's a PITA, but we prefer to be car payment free, and not drain our savings , when we have something we can fix. I figure if we can fix it for less than what they are going to give us for it.... than we're still on the up side.

Rx-8 + rising gas prices = empty wallet :(

[4U2QUIK]

lol no kiddin, my supra is a great example. 10mpg + premium fuel=empty wallet for most people.

[Beodude123]

You're going to end up spending more than that car's worth to get it running...

If all it takes is the alternator and a slave cylinder, that's only $200... Well under the $450 it will be worth.

[Mizzou02RS]

Well, that's not bad...but what about the interior? Is it bad?

[Beodude123]

Everything but the back seats is going back in.

[mellowness65]

so do you need one?

[Beodude123]

I think I'll be okay without. Saves some weight anyways.

[Soadrocksever]

yall have a trailblazer as well no?

[Beodude123]

Yeah, and it's a nice car, but it's no Z... I miss driving it.

[mellowness65]

ok j/w as I have 3 sets of seats and another set of skins, I noticed road noise a lot more without the back seat, mostly on the interstate though

[4U2QUIK]

yeah zx2's are way noisy without the interior.

[JenzZx2]

We might hit you up for that back seat. Mostly because in case of emergency and we need to use the Z for Taylor for some reason, I'd like to be able to put her in the proper spot. I'll send you a PM.

[JenzZx2]

Haha.. I uploaded some video of Drew trying the "break free" method that only kind of worked.

Here is one direction:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/jenzzx2/th_DufusDriving.jpg (http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/jenzzx2/?action=view&current=DufusDriving.flv)

Then he got to the end of the road (which has a pretty busy cross section) and wasn't sure how to get back, so he drove all the way back (accelerating and hitting the brakes) in reverse.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/jenzzx2/th_DufusDriving2.jpg (http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/jenzzx2/?action=view&current=DufusDriving2.flv)

[af3ll]

Whoa your reverse lights work!

[af3ll]

Also I would hate to be your neighbors with all that noise haha.

[Kilroy]

Also I would hate to be your neighbors with all that noise haha.

Ditto! Man, this whole flood thing really sucked ass huh? =P

[JenzZx2]

Whoa your reverse lights work!

Yeah, you know how much Central Garage in Lakenheath Village raped us for to put the lights back stock? Like 200 quid because it took them 5 hours to figure out how to undo what they did to begin with. I was livid. The front lights still aren't right.

The neighbors all have ATV's with loud ass exhuast, I doubt they care about our car, lol.


Yeah, it really has sucked.. hopefully this weekend we'll get the alternator and slave cylinder in and see if we can fix those problems.

[af3ll]

I still haven't converted mine back. Don't tell anyone haha.

[Soadrocksever]

OMG that car is louddd wow lol

but good luck with getting everyitng going again

[Sir William]

Nice laugh on ya Jen. It's nice to see some comedy come out of all of this.

[Mizzou02RS]

That car sounded like it was farting down the road...LOL.

[4U2QUIK]

remind me not to play baseball with the mailboxes in your neighborhood!!!

[zx2loon]

That Z makes one helluva duck call now....:D

[JenzZx2]

Well, i'm on the phone with the insurance company and they refuse to budge because I can't find close enough comparisons and two of the 4 I sent are no longer up since it's been 5 days since I sent them.

Kind of sucks... we're getting 2705.69 after our deductible and the buy back for the salvage. Grr.

[Kilroy]

thats not too bad, thats should be more than enough to fix it back to the way it was and have some left overs. All the hard work though won't be paid for.

[4U2QUIK]

Well, i'm on the phone with the insurance company and they refuse to budge because I can't find close enough comparisons and two of the 4 I sent are no longer up since it's been 5 days since I sent them.

Kind of sucks... we're getting 2705.69 after our deductible and the buy back for the salvage. Grr.

that's fucked up. I hate insurance companies with a passion.

[yellow2000S/R]

thats not too bad, thats should be more than enough to fix it back to the way it was and have some left overs. All the hard work though won't be paid for.

What do you mean not to bad? I'd want at least $4k after buy back and deductible.

[Kilroy]

What do you mean not to bad? I'd want at least $4k after buy back and deductible.

Dude, they don't pay you for all of the aftermarket parts, with the milage she has and after the deductable and buy back she probably got what a stock s/r is worth.

[JenzZx2]

I was hoping for 3800 (before buyback etC) but I didn't really want to fight over 600 bucks.. especially since we're keeping the car. At least we know how to work on it, ykwim.

[Beodude123]

Seeing as to how $2,500 of it will be in our pocket, I guess it's not too bad. It's definitely less than I was hoping for, but whatever. At least the engine is in good shape still.

[yellow2000S/R]

Dude, they don't pay you for all of the aftermarket parts, with the milage she has and after the deductable and buy back she probably got what a stock s/r is worth.

As I previously said, when I totaled my S/R with 68k miles, I got just over $5k for it in late 06. If you are telling me that the S/R lost $2k in value just because it has 30k miles and 2 years added to what mine was when I wrecked it, you are crazy.

[JenzZx2]

Yours was an 00 though right? They wouldn't even LOOK at the comparables that weren't the same year. That's why they were comparing it to 4 door escorts and wagons.. the ycouldn't find any 99 zx2's for sale in the area. Since I couldn't find any within 200 miles then they wouldn't even consider it.

[yellow2000S/R]

Yours was an 00 though right? They wouldn't even LOOK at the comparables that weren't the same year. That's why they were comparing it to 4 door escorts and wagons.. the ycouldn't find any 99 zx2's for sale in the area. Since I couldn't find any within 200 miles then they wouldn't even consider it.

That SUCKS.

Keep refusing their offer. Find something or you will be :bangnana:

[JenzZx2]

we already accepted it.. they EFT'd the settlement while I was on the phone. It's not worth the time/energy.... really, I'm just thankful that we had left the comp. on it.

[ImCrazy]

Yours was an 00 though right? They wouldn't even LOOK at the comparables that weren't the same year. That's why they were comparing it to 4 door escorts and wagons.. the ycouldn't find any 99 zx2's for sale in the area. Since I couldn't find any within 200 miles then they wouldn't even consider it.

thats about the dumbest thing ive ever heard 99 vs 2003 zx2s have no difference in value IMO. Mileage is all that really should matter.....

Oh well sounds like you guys came out alright anyhow.

[Mizzou02RS]

What do you mean not to bad? I'd want at least $4k after buy back and deductible.

For an eight-year-old Escort? Are you on crack?

They are lucky they got that $2705.69...it isn't like they are driving a quality car...

[Mizzou02RS]

Like it or not, Escorts do not hold their value well at all.

[JenzZx2]

It might not be "quality" but depreciation levels off after a while. It still has decent value, it's in good condition and for it's age, the mileage isn't bad. I wasn't trying to take advantage of the insurance company, I honestly feel that 3800 would have been fair on either side seeing as the same make/model (non-s/r) of similar year/miles was going from 4-5K.

If we were an average person who does not know how to repair our own car, and we had to replace our vehicle in this area with what they were giving us ($3200), we couldn't do it.

Because we can do our own work on it, and don't care if it's not 100% what it was before, it works out to our advantage in this case. But why should we take a loss because we happen to be knowledgeable about the car/mechanics? You don't pay for insurance with the stipulation that since you know how to work on cars, any settlements in regards to a loss can be reduced.

I'm not angry that we got what we did, do I feel slightly hosed, yes. I feel that as an insurance company, they didn't properly compare our car and that the main reason we got shorted (IMO) is because of the lack of ability to find a like-car to compare to in the area. Which pretty much answers my question before... does having a hard to find vehicle make it more or less valuable?

But, such is life, it could have been worse... and it's not luck Mike, we pay for insurance for a reason.

[ImCrazy]

For an eight-year-old Escort? Are you on crack?

They are lucky they got that $2705.69...it isn't like they are driving a quality car...

id say your on crack if you think the escort isn't quality. Id say 112k miles and no major problems on my escort is def quality.

Now luxury it is not but quality it def is.

[Mizzou02RS]

Id say 112k miles and no major problems on my escort is def quality.

Hell...112K miles on my Scooby is just broken in. :rofl:

[krux]

Mizz you can put as many miles on the scooby but it'll never out run the ugliness. Motors are well built on the 2.0 platform . I am glad to see the car is at least moving now Jen. I am glad everything is coming out for the better on your situation.

[Mizzou02RS]

Mizz you can put as many miles on the scooby but it'll never out run the ugliness.

Hey...I love my bugeye...and my EssTeeEye...

I care less if my cars are "ugly" or not...they are some of the best-built cars on the road...

...and they will always be better then a silly Escort. :D

[ImCrazy]

Hell...112K miles on my Scooby is just broken in. :rofl:

So? You prob paid what 32k for an STI if its new if not i bet you paid at least 25k.

the zx2 was what 12k new? I paid 2600 for mine and ive put almost 40k of the miles on it myself so yeah coming on a zx2 forum and saying zx2s are junk is kinda a poor quality though process IMO.

[Mizzou02RS]

Your point?

[ImCrazy]

Hey...I love my bugeye...and my EssTeeEye...

I care less if my cars are "ugly" or not...they are some of the best-built cars on the road...

...and they will always be better then a silly Escort. :D

A WRX is better than a zx2 from a total build quality stand point, its also japanese. However compared to all cars in general Id say that the zx2 is a good quality affordable sport compact. Not as nice as a scooby or a honda but nicer than say a Pontiac or caviler.

[ImCrazy]

Your point?

You putting down the escort on this site is dumb.

[Mizzou02RS]

A WRX is better than a zx2 from a total build quality stand point, its also japanese. However compared to all cars in general Id say that the zx2 is a good quality affordable sport compact. Not as nice as a scooby or a honda but nicer than say a Pontiac or caviler.

I might give ya that...

[ImCrazy]

I might give ya that...

thanks,

there are different degree's of better for everything I'm just saying that for what it is and whats available in a comparable price and feature range is a good quality and value.

[Beodude123]

I could care less who got butt hurt by Mike, but we aren't turning this thread into a "who's got a better car" competition.

Mike, quit instigating. We all know how much you are proud of your car, and you know how proud we are of ours. Let's just leave it at that.

Eveybody else, quit egging him on.

[ImCrazy]

sorry dude^

[Mizzou02RS]

Sorry bro...just having a wee bit o' fun...

[NYRichyone]

Sorry bro...just having a wee bit o' fun...In another persons post.....How Dare You!!

You are a hypocrite/troll Mike...get a life you overgrown crybaby.

Sorry Jen and Drew....hope it gets all better for you....it more than likely is going to need to come apart and be cleaned and lubed.

I will delete this if you want.

[Mizzou02RS]

In another persons post.....How Dare You!!

You are a hypocrite/troll Mike...get a life you overgrown crybaby.

Sorry Jen and Drew....hope it gets all better for you....it more than likely is going to need to come apart and be cleaned and lubed.

I will delete this if you want.

While I would love to eat a n00b like you for breakfast, I respect Jen and Beo too much to crap on their thread anymore. How about you stop stalking me and do the same...respect their thread and keep it on-topic, mm'kay?

Is the car running smoother or is the "duck call" exhaust a thing to stay, jen?

[Beodude123]

It's probably going to stay... LoL We haven't tried running it since our little experiment the other day, but I doubt it would change all that much.

[airmanslacker]

Wow... that must have got some neighbors staring out there windows. It's great to see progress on it! If you need help give me a call and I'll see what I can do.

[RADRaze2KX]

Haha.. I uploaded some video of Drew trying the "break free" method that only kind of worked.

Here is one direction:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/jenzzx2/th_DufusDriving.jpg (http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/jenzzx2/?action=view&current=DufusDriving.flv)

"The noise makes it go forward!" :violin:

[JenzZx2]

IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOT!!!!

Drew went to go see if he could break it free again, but the baby was sleeping so he was going to drive carefully to a parking lot so the noise wouldn't wake her up and on the way there it broke free and it's SHIFTING!!!!!! WOOHOOO!!!!

[chasingsafety]

congrats!! must feel good lol

[SoCalZX2]

Thats awesome Jen!

[Beodude123]

Heck yeah it feels good!

[Mike]

Yay...that is amazing news.

So...whats the plans for it next?

[JenzZx2]

What are the plans??? To keep it running.....

[Mizzou02RS]

What are the plans??? To keep it running.....

Glad I never have to say that... :rofl:

[random_hero]

Congrats!

[Mizzou02RS]

Congrats indeed...but I hope it stays the "Duck Call" Escort... :rofl:

[ImCrazy]

Glad I never have to say that... :rofl:

how do you know?

[ImCrazy]

congrats on the success enjoy the ride.

[Beodude123]

Yeah, I had to throw an alternator and a starter, but it works like a champ! I was going to drive out of the neighborhood and find somewhere I could drive like a douche and not bother my own neighbors. So I took a right off my street, and started playing with it. I had it in neutral, gunned it, and tried putting it in third. There was a good clunk, it lurched a bit, and the engine spun up to about 5k freely! The clutch was liberated from it's rusty captor!!!

I've revved it with the clutch halfway in, so that way it kind of wears it down a bit.

But yeah, it was nice to drive. It's weird not having the stereo hooked up, and it almost echoes a lot inside, but it's working! Oddly enough it's not too loud at very low throttle angles, so cruising on the highway isn't bad at all.

It's just when you get on it more than half throttle the bees nest comes out. It gets pretty buzzy.

[inis]

the disc had rusted or froze to the flywheel. I was thinking that after our phone call, but I didnt' think it would stay frozen that long, wow. Glad you got it fixed! (I'd still change the pilot and TB eventaully, to save you issues later on)

[Beodude123]

I might eventually, but I don't really want to try and do tranny work, especially in my driveway. I wouldn't mind so much the tranny part, but I hate trying to get the axles out. They suck.