Exposing Hip-Hop's gay sub-culture...

[JonsZX2SR]

The linked article should promote some good debate...

Exposing Hip-Hop's gay subculture (http://www.newsweek.com/id/137380)

[zxtwou2]

not surprising there are gays that hide it in a culture where being tough and being swarmed with girls is the mark of success. it comes as more a surprise than gay emo-rockers, though. heck, some of them are straight and we dont know it...yet they wear girl pants anyway.

[scort2498]

interesting even the paper wont print it in fear.

I cant wait for the first article of that sort actually naming something.
freedom of speech-press anyone???

[zxtwou2]

he didn't name anybody in the book...i don't know if that would be slander if names did get out, though.

[scort2498]

did u read the whole thread...? it was saying how "mags" or printers wont buy photos of the gay rap society because they are afraid of being sued and having a "Kamikazee attack launched on them".

[zxtwou2]

^did you even get the context of my post? i'm not saying anything about the fear of naming people...under the right circumstances, it would be illegal...called slander. so there goes your "freedom of press" statement. and you said i didn't read :rollseyes:

[99fordzx2]

Interesting article. I wonder how well the book wil sell. To be honest I had no idea there were any gay rappers. Guess they're really good at hiding it.


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[ZetecInside]

Well, studies say that roughly 10% of the population is homosexual. Statistically, the worlds of rap, professional sports, etc. shouldn't be any exception.

[Buster]

That's the number that homosexual organizations with an agenda use. The actual number is closer to 1-2% in most other studies.


It's not really something we can get an accurate number on though, but 10% is far too high.

[ZetecInside]

That's the number that homosexual organizations with an agenda use.


Do you special-order pink tin foil to make your custom hats for guarding against the ESP microwaves of the *cough* "gay agenda organizations"?

[ZetecInside]

The actual number is closer to 1-2% in most other studies.

Did you get this figure from the same site that told you Islam would be the majority religion in France within 40 years? :confused:

[decay]

The number of 1-2% is the number that church organizations with an agenda use. Actual studies place it in the order of as low as 2% and as high as 15%. All depends on geographies; not to mention whether or not the polls are unjustly skewed due to un-truthfulness.

[Buster]

Did you get this figure from the same site that told you Islam would be the majority religion in France within 40 years? :confused:


I bet you buy into global warming, think Al Gore won the election and believe in electric superchargers and Type R stickers too, don't you.


Think about it...make a list of 100 people you know...I guarantee that 10-15 of them won't be gay unless you like in a place they congregate like San Fran, Massachusetts or Philly.

I believe I only know ONE gay person in total and I know FAR more than 100 people.


1-2% is not a religious organization's stat and even if it were, it would be more honest than a group trying to change the definition of marriage and a ton of laws to give them special rights.

It's generally the accepted figure to those not pushing gay "marriage".

[ZetecInside]

I bet you buy into global warming, think Al Gore won the election and believe in electric superchargers and Type R stickers too, don't you.

Global warming is real. The extent of it is what's exaggerated.

Al Gore lost the election.

I don't know anything about electric superchargers.

Type R stickers are retarded.

You assume too much. That's probably why you put your foot in you mouth so often on this board. You have somewhat of a credibility problem, as evidenced by your history of spouting ridiculous and unsupported "facts" in virtually every political discussion you engage in on this board.


I believe I only know ONE gay person in total and I know FAR more than 100 people.

You know one out gay person. A lot of gay people stay in the closet for most of their youth or even their entire lives, and a lot of people only come out to a few people they know. It's entirely possible (and likely) that there are several other gay people you are acquainted with but choose not to share that information with you. Given the level of ignorance and intolerance you profess on this board daily, I wouldn't be surprised.

1-2% is not a religious organization's stat and even if it were, it would be more honest than a group trying to change the definition of marriage and a ton of laws to give them special rights.

These lowball stats are typically put forth by fundamentalist Christian groups who have a political interest in keeping gay marriage illegal. Deliberately undercounting a minority group makes it more tolerable to marginalize them. At best, the Fund-ies stats would be equally honest to those of gay activists exaggerating in the other direction.

And equal rights are not "special rights".

It's generally the accepted figure to those not pushing gay "marriage".

Who's stat is it, exactly?

[decay]

Actually, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has estimated America's gay, lesbian, and bisexual population at around 8.8 million people. That translates to somewhere between 2.5 and 3 percent. However, social science statisticians don't agree with this number due to the amount of 'closeted' homosexuals which are unaccounted for. The next step is measuring the size of America's closet...

Just like in anything, one side will take the high numbers and the other will take the low numbers....somewhere they will meet in the middle. It's an arguement; that's how you argue (debate). He said...she said....This is religion vs. homosexuality.

[JonsZX2SR]

The problem with the 'statistics' the way they are presented is being gay or straight isn't a black/white, 0/1, ON/OFF, UP/DOWN issue. A group of people fall into either category for different reasons and at different times in their lives. It also doesn't include people who have little interest in sexuality for various reasons.

Assume that 1-2% of the population is gay and has negligible interest in straight behavior, while 76-80% of the population is comfortable with a straight lifestyle and 3-5% aren't sexual at all.

The question is how to characterize the remaining 13-20%. These could include:
- gay or bi-curious people who experimented with gay sex, but who live a straight lifestyle because that is what they chose as they became adults.
- gay or bi-curious people who continue to explore bi-sexuality, but who are predominantly straight
- straight people who had one or more bad experiences with the opposite sex who either gave up on sexuality or have experimented with gay sex. Married women who are fed up with their husbands or men who turned to women as an example.
- younger, sexually active women who followed a lesbian lifestyle to avoid pregnancy, who later decided a straight relationship suited them better for childbearing. (I know 3 women who have done this.)
- gay people who live a straight lifestyle out of fear of religious or societal condemnation, but who have strong gay orientations. Some stray when they can get away with it, others live completely straight lives but out of fear not choice.
- there are probably another 10 reasons why people cross the line one way or another.

My question is, would you count these as gay/straight, bi, or whatever ???

Counting those who blur the line as 50:50, the percentage is probably in the 3-8% range. Counting everyone who has had one gay experience as gay, the number is probably greater than 10%. What makes it tough is lifestyle and orientation don't always match.