View Full Version : My turbo s/r build -no 56k
Since everyone is wondering what I'm up too:
I have alot of picture and can tell ya what I'm doing, not going to go into alot of detail (unless questions are asked) because this entire thing is so spread out and done up.
For now:
Motor:
cgi block
FP main caps
arp's thoughout
svt head gasket
FR head overworked by JohnP
stock focus cams
coated eagle rods
coated probe pistons 9:1 (around 8:5 with HG)
cali coated bearings (forgot the brand already)
wrc waterpump
total seal rings-custom - top ring is total seal instead of the 2nd ring.
heavier wrist pin 90 grams, made by Precision Products Performance Center , they're also casidiam coated
FR intake mani
70mm tb
Turbo kit:
Gt2860rs .86 ar
neukin mani
2.25 IC piping
3" downpipe, with e-cut out
stock evo IC (so if I wanna upgrade later, they're readily avlb.)
all exhaust with the exception of the header is v-band.
Tuning:
Spectre ems-pro
all new sensors for it
return fuel set up , using a aeromotive FPR (1:1 raise)
Modified fuel pump basket
-6 fuel lines
SHM fuel rail
injectors I haven't gotten , but they'll be low impedence 700cc or higher
msd dis-2 programmable (6212)
FR wires
iridium plugs
E-boost2 (going to use the boost per gear, as a traction control)
lma-2 standalone wideband, with the xd16 gauge
autometer full sweep electric fuel pressure gauge zz series
autometer full sweep oil temp and oil pressure cobalt series
Now with some pictures:
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I'll post more pictures here soon
NYRichyone
05-19-2008, 09:43 PM
looking very good. What PSI are you shooting for....consistantly?
I love banana's!!!
ZX2guy19
05-19-2008, 09:49 PM
What are you doing for the trans?
zxtuner98
05-19-2008, 10:11 PM
Nice dude. Lookin good.
ZX2guy19
05-20-2008, 11:17 AM
Dude you better eat those nana's too, they're about to go bad!
TTFOWIA
05-20-2008, 11:20 AM
What are you doing for the trans?
x2
Dude you better eat those nana's too, they're about to go bad!
lol those pictures are months old
as far as the tranny goes, I've had a built tranny for awhile. I've picked out my own gearing from various g series tranny's, and have had a msp lsd for years.
As far as flywheel goes I have a fidanza, and a spec 3+ on its way because my spec 2+ had a build qaulity issue that spec didn't want to hold up on.
What problem did your stage 2 had ? Was it "screaming" ... I have a spec 3 that was "screaming" and it was installed by a Ford dealer ...
Just wondering, cause it did it right after install, it was brand new ...
What problem did your stage 2 had ? Was it "screaming" ... I have a spec 3 that was "screaming" and it was installed by a Ford dealer ...
Just wondering, cause it did it right after install, it was brand new ...
screaming would be a bearing bad, the pilot bearing that was supplied with mine gave out after a few hundred miles, over a period of around 10k miles (in which I didn't know) it at up the tongues on the pressure plate. Its still usable, but nothing I'd want to put 300+ whp on. It would be suited great for a N/A now.
motor will be back friday from the machine shop. I'll work on the car fri/sat getting it prepped. Following weekend it could be dropped back in.
Still waiting on the turbo mani from neukin, its been 24 days so far.
zx2reme
05-29-2008, 12:55 AM
It will take some time. You have to be patient. You will be happy with the results when you get it.
called this morning, he said there is one manifold in front of mine. He said mine should be completed by tuesday and in my hands by thur.
great guys to deal with.
2000ZxT
05-29-2008, 10:38 AM
You are running an exhaust cut out? Most tracks don't allow open headers.
Also, I bought one but it was going to KILL my flow so I scrapped it.
I'm running a 3inch cutout off the downpipe behind the engine, also running the stock s/r exhaust. I doubt ksir cares about the cutout, they run some funky shit down there.
I really dont plan to go to the strip but maybe once.
zx2reme
05-29-2008, 09:14 PM
Where are you from?
well I pick up the block later today, that tab so far is out rageous.
Total seal rings (custom set) , we're 250 + shipping
acl Calico Coated Bearings 180 + shipping http://calicocoatings.com/index.html
60 in shipping for a mishap in shipping that I should get refunded
I'm sure there is some misc stuff I'll list it when I pay for it later today.
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I should have the head on by thur, and the turbo mani should be here end of next week also.
Its getting there!
looked at the bearing boxes, they're clevite 77, H series, calico coated bearings.
cb1774h and ms2208h
McG35
05-31-2008, 06:34 AM
THE BLOCK ASSEMBLED!!! I bet you feel at least alittle better
today I got the arp head studs in, the collets back in, and the headgasket on, waiting for the head.. should be wed'ish.
Also picked up a diff IC, bar and plate 2.5 in/out I believe its hand made.
and last but not least, a assortments of seals (front/back crank, rear main seal retainer and oil pump)
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today I picked up the cam seals fel pro part #tcs 45963 for a focus head, and some Copper rtv, and some oil resistant thread lock.
powder
06-03-2008, 06:43 PM
Lookin good dude. I can't wait to see the finish product.
I'm excited, I pick up the head, and am bolting it down tonight. Pics to come.
update:
head is on, and torq'd to 60lbs
cams are on, torq'd 18lbs
cam seals are in
cam sensor is in
thats it for awhile, back to ordering parts and modifing more.
zxtuner98
06-05-2008, 10:56 PM
god.everything looks awesome.
thanks, Pics tonight!
I gotta order some stuff today:
arp cam bolts
arp header studs
windage tray gasket
cam cover gasket
then I'm waiting on the wrc water pump, and neukin manifold (yesterday they said it would be mailed today, fri)
Tonight I'm going to work on bolting on whatever I can without the rest of the parts. I can also put in the oil gallery plugs.
Also I need to go get the cam cover powder coated, think I'm going to go with a mati black, but I'm undecided. I want it to match my bov and wastegate.
Has anyone ever noticed the CGI block only has one freeze plug? I never knew it til I got there, I think the stock block has 2 or 3.
TTFOWIA
06-06-2008, 09:48 AM
stock block has 2, and 1 for the block heater if you don't have it.
I'll be updating my worklog too tonight, got pics of my P&P'd head and my block
jdrzx2
06-06-2008, 10:25 AM
KCIR will give a shit what you run down there. The track is no longer owned by Jeff Martin. They've changed a lot of the rules, if you want to run your car down there you better bring a fire jacket. They won't let aftermarket turbo'd cars run without them.
jdrzx2
06-06-2008, 10:26 AM
Did I read it correctly where you said you were still running the stock S/R exhuast? What kind of crack are you smoking?
TTFOWIA
06-06-2008, 10:37 AM
^^ I will be doing that too... but just for about 1000km (breaking in)
ZX2 S/R Black
06-06-2008, 11:54 AM
QUick Question... what #'s do you expect to be around with a good tune at your 20 psi?
This build is pretty similar to mine... CR the head, the turbo...etc...
ZX2guy19
06-06-2008, 12:01 PM
If he is running an electric boost cut out and don't intend on running the rest of the exhaust, who cares what size it is, it won't be used.
KCIR will give a shit what you run down there. The track is no longer owned by Jeff Martin. They've changed a lot of the rules, if you want to run your car down there you better bring a fire jacket. They won't let aftermarket turbo'd cars run without them.
Aww didn't know there was a change, I really dont care. I'll just and spectate then.
Did I read it correctly where you said you were still running the stock S/R exhuast? What kind of crack are you smoking?
Its not what kind, its how much..and I'm smoking a shit ton.
I'm running a electric cut out, I dont want to be loud around town... so if I'm not dumping it will go through the stock exhaust.
QUick Question... what #'s do you expect to be around with a good tune at your 20 psi?
This build is pretty similar to mine... CR the head, the turbo...etc...
Initially I'm looking for 300, then overtime I'll make the tune/car more efficent and looking for 350whp/300wtq off this turbo, for more then that I believe I'll need a bigger turbo.
If he is running an electric boost cut out and don't intend on running the rest of the exhaust, who cares what size it is, it won't be used.
Yep
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McG35
06-06-2008, 03:48 PM
OOOO, the motor looks like it is ready to make it's way into the car FINALLY
OOOO, the motor looks like it is ready to make it's way into the car FINALLY
well, yes and no. I need to order what all I haven't been telling you guys lol (secret til I get her done) , and a few misc bolts and gaskets.
Plan 3 more weeks til shes in.
McG35
06-06-2008, 05:19 PM
how much boost are you planning, and have you got the mani?
how much boost are you planning, and have you got the mani?
waiting on mani still, suppose to be shipped today... haven't checked email to see if there is tracking for me.
I plan around 10 til I get tuned, and then probally 22-24 on this turbo
McG35
06-07-2008, 09:21 AM
Sex on wheels, I wish I could line up against your car to let an escort beat me
thanks lol
so I went out with a buddy last night, we're in a srt4 done very cleanly... and man did we see just about everything out. sti's (some had shittons done to them) , we almost got lined up next to a new c6 z06 but he was gone before we had our green light to catch up to him, he was driving on it hard. Then a srt8 charger, but the guy didn't wanna do anything but stare at us.
Last night I made a list of stuff I need to order, so far I'm at 1200 more dollars. Then my "secret" project I'm working on is around 750 give or take some. Then injectors ....so ya I need to order about 2k more in part before I drop her in. I'm thinking I'll order everything thur or fri. My only issue is the secret stuff, I have to order overseas, and the company(s) I'm dealing with are slower then hell.
McG35
06-07-2008, 11:07 AM
so basically, your car will be running in 2009
so basically, your car will be running in 2009
well yes, I'll have it all put together in a few weeks, then it will take me 15 months to figure out the wiring of all the gagets lol
serious, some of the shit I have. ... have books on the instructions :(
I have buddys that will help me if I get lost, I should be ok.. its just a matter of having time and stuff.
I think so far with the engine pull, clean up, parts sorting and build I have maybe 5 hrs into everything. I work to much :(
jdrzx2
06-07-2008, 11:37 AM
Maybe 2010, he was going to have his car running before mine. lol
Maybe 2010, he was going to have his car running before mine. lol
was? I never said that. I knew how long this build was going to take, and I've been taking my time on it...everyone knows that.
How about this though, I'll make more then 200 at the wheels on 8psi :upsidenana:
jdrzx2
06-07-2008, 04:30 PM
You said two years ago you'd have a running turbo car in a year. If I had a different manifold and FR head like you have, I would've made more than 200 at the wheels on 8 psi easily.
The sad thing was on the day I got my dyno tune I forgot to bring my 2 step colder plugs with me. The car was running on fouled iridium plugs for the tune, I probably would've broken 200whp that day with my stock head and exhuast mani.
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well I got the wrc water pump in today. I'll be truthful I'm not to impressed.
Differences from stock:
different casting
different outlet
lighter (by a shit ton)
different mounting
different entrance into the block, instead of a circular opening, its tear dropped shaped with a cnc'd spot for a gasket.
Brass bushings on all the bolt holes.
The pump its self is the same, the internal casting for the flow is the same. But the pump will flow more because of the outlet and alot more if I used the teardrop entrance to the block (not using it)
I have more pictures if anyone is intrested. Overall, I feel as it was a waste of money. I'll use it anyways.
jdrzx2
06-10-2008, 02:56 AM
lighter (by a shit ton)
That is probably what they were going for along with better flow. Maybe it wasn't such a waste of money.
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nothing major today, worked on the FRIM some, the gasket for the frim.. and put the backing plate on the head for the timing cover.
update:
Well now since its getting closer to being completed, its like a chicken with its head cut off. I'm running around everywhere to get or find stuff to make it work. Including my own garage, and I'm fairly organized!
Right now waiting on a few misc things for the engine, so I'm working on the intake and fuel system. Fittings are not liking me, going to take a trip next thur to get the remaining ones.
Slotting the frim, and making the gaskets needed.
Tapping and putting the barb fittings in also.
Also working on the FPR, fittings on it are pissing me off.
lots going on this week. Got to get alot of aluminum welded up. Problem is I can't weld aluminum. So got a few buddys helping me.
Working on the dry sump set up and the water pump set up.
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this week I should be expecting:
rest of timing stuff (pulleys , new style crank gear)
arp header and intake mani bolts
arp cam gear bolts
Neukin mani (if mailed like I was told)
I'm still working on the intake mani for the most part, once its mounted then I'll get the injectors and fuel set up going. As of right now, I'm putting stock injectors in and starting the car on the stock pmc. I'll get 500 miles on it with little to no boost. Then I'll swap it over to the megasquirt.
TTFOWIA
06-21-2008, 10:06 PM
holy sh*t man, lookin noice. :D
ilarson007
06-21-2008, 10:34 PM
i think the guy i know who works at neukin was talking about your mani awhile back (like 2 weeks or s/t) on a friday night: "yea, we had a focus manifold that we were supposed to get done today, but we didn't get to it." either way, they do good work.
ya I've been told 3 dates so far, last one was by alex ..last wed. Told he could finish it that day, I was being nice and replied "can you just have it out by friday?" he said sure np ... never got an email with confirmation....
I'll call monday, Melissa wants me to ask for a partial refund. I was told 3-4 weeks, its now going on 7 weeks. Really unacceptable, but I dont want a half ass manifold.
Maybe I'll send him a email.
zxtuner98
06-21-2008, 10:49 PM
total cost to date?
total cost to date?
well , probally alot ... I'ma do some quick math and guess around 6000 , but I think I've sold around 2k in parts ... so 4k-5k maybe ?
I think I've probally saved atleast 3k though in getting parts second hand new or used.
Examples:
msd dis-2 the programmable one, new they're around 550, I got mine for 170 shipped
eboost2 , new there around 550 , I got mine for 250
My fuel pressure gauge, new its around 185 , I got mine new for 70 shipped
Cgi block, brand new 550, they dont even make these anymore and when they did... they we're 1200.00
my list of savings goes on and on.
Just the other day I ordered 110 in arp bolts , I saved around 60.00 because I had them price match and mail it at a reasonable cost ..instead of charging 4x what shipping really is.
ravensguildassasin
06-21-2008, 11:26 PM
subscribed. will watch progress. i do like some of the parts you are going with.
ilarson007
06-22-2008, 09:10 AM
Yea, I don't know Alex, but I know Derek.
99fordzx2
06-22-2008, 09:40 AM
This thing will be bulletproof when your done. Any guesstimates on hp/tq when its all said and done?
-D
I'm hoping for 300-350 on this turbo. Its a gt2860rs .86 ar , its rated for 360 on garrets site. I bought it from Jon on FF, he dyno'd 362 whp on a svt motor (think it was 362 anyways) being I'm low compression... probally going to dyno 20-40 whp less but the return fuel system and the head, mani, and intake might change things alot.
gt35r zx2
06-22-2008, 05:17 PM
How about your manifold , did they ge it done ? I justa had to wait 3 weeks for my cobra manifold bt they are nice
2000ZxT
06-22-2008, 05:26 PM
I'm hoping for 300-350 on this turbo. Its a gt2860rs .86 ar , its rated for 360 on garrets site. I bought it from Jon on FF, he dyno'd 362 whp on a svt motor (think it was 362 anyways) being I'm low compression... probally going to dyno 20-40 whp less but the return fuel system and the head, mani, and intake might change things alot.
Jon Fastrax? If so your lucky because he dynoed in at 440 whp.
If not I dunno.
straightupmad
06-22-2008, 07:28 PM
i believe he is referring to 03OrangeSVT
2000ZxT
06-22-2008, 07:45 PM
aha that makes sense. This turbo proved what the SVT internals will take in that case, interesting fact.
362 whp (I do believe those are the exact numbers) through a SVT motor and it go boom boom. I talked to Steve about that, apparently he dynoed in fine but on the way home from the dyno his engine blew.
aha that makes sense. This turbo proved what the SVT internals will take in that case, interesting fact.
362 whp (I do believe those are the exact numbers) through a SVT motor and it go boom boom. I talked to Steve about that, apparently he dynoed in fine but on the way home from the dyno his engine blew.
ya I think he was racing a eclipse or something like that. He blew it on a gt30xxR turbo, not this one. He eventaully went and bought this turbo again.
New pics, got my arp cam bolts in, and arp stainless intake and exhaust mani bolts in. Now I just gotta make time to work on the intake, I've started the slotting process... but haven't had much time to be out there in the garage. Maybe late tonight if I dont get tired.
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2000ZxT
06-25-2008, 04:11 PM
That is one pretty head.
So last night I sent a dirty email to Neukin aka Alex. It was mainly about the 7 week delay, with multiple replys saying its done this date or that date. I was orginally told 3-4 weeks. His reply was short and simple with nothing major in it, other then I'm working on it. He replied with this picture:
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powder
06-25-2008, 10:27 PM
It's lookin real good so far by that pic. Sucks the guy's not holding up his end of the bargain though. Hope he hurry's his ass up.
ilarson007
06-26-2008, 10:52 AM
Well, is not having the mani holding you back (i.e. are you ready to put is all together except you don't have the mani)? If that's the case then understandably anyone would be mad, but if you're not ready to put it in yet then it's not a major let down, *yet* that is.
Sir William
06-26-2008, 11:15 AM
7 weeks is a real long time when you're waiting for something...
I will say though, ford racing is worse... or was for me.... I got one of the first New FRIM's after only a 56 week wait.....
The build is lookin good inis
Well, is not having the mani holding you back (i.e. are you ready to put is all together except you don't have the mani)? If that's the case then understandably anyone would be mad, but if you're not ready to put it in yet then it's not a major let down, *yet* that is.
Yes and no, yes I need it to complete this project. But no I still have other stuff I can work on.
Right now I'm fitting the intake mani (slotting it and some misc stuff) , its taken me a bit longer to get to because of work....and no free time.
Other then that, I have to weld the dry sump pan up, fit the header and turbo on, make the downpipe..then put her in the car.
I'll probally work on the intake mani friday til its done... its going to take several hours to do.
I asked for a 200.00 refund. We'll see how that goes....
We cant do a refund we already loose money when things like this happen,
then the lower amount of orders this season because of economy and gas is
killing us. Then things like this happen its even worse.
Thanks
Neukin Motor Development
www.turbogoods.com
www.neukin.com
Grommish
06-26-2008, 04:30 PM
Gas is killing him? Join the f'ing club!
Orders are down? He should have had that shit done in 2 weeks then, since he didn't have so many to work on..
TSmiley98
06-26-2008, 05:04 PM
Well, is not having the mani holding you back (i.e. are you ready to put is all together except you don't have the mani)? If that's the case then understandably anyone would be mad, but if you're not ready to put it in yet then it's not a major let down, *yet* that is.
If he needs it or not, the time for it to be to him was long overdue, if you dont keep on someone they will put it off and the 3-4 weeks that turned to 7 could be 2-3 months..
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:17 PM, <inis@kctuners.com> wrote:
I'm sorry, your the one the based your prices. Not me, as a seller, that
is your problem. At this point, I'd like a full refund and to cancel my
order. This is a unexceptable business practice.
I asked for a 200.00 refund, based off the troubles I have been through.
I've had to call several times. I get different storys everytime. I was
told 3-4 weeks and its been twice that. My request is reasonable.
If you can not do a 200.00 refund, please cancel the entire order and
refund me the full amount.
his reply:
We say no refund in terms, we are working hard to get your order done.
Thanks
Neukin Motor Development
www.turbogoods.com
www.neukin.com
found this also: http://www.clubhonda.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16701
see he replys and acts like its everyone elses problem when he doesn't have supplies, employees or time. Its no one but his responsibilty to supply his own company for parts and to employ a work force that is needed for all of this.
He talks the same way my emails, like its all my problem. I could careless, I paid for my product and I want it.
TSmiley98
06-26-2008, 10:19 PM
thats why we do it ourselves or take it to a local place, so you can drive to their shop and they cant hide behind a phone or a computer..
His reply. Think I'll wait for the manifold, then file everything.
We are trying our best to get it done asap and with the highest quality. We cant send everyone money back because of delays we cant expect. Your product will be built perfect as we advertise and if you must do as you have said thats fine. We have always taken our time to get a good product done but you will be the first to list such negative comments. Please understand with custom products come custom natures and during racing season there is not much three guys can do custom building all these manifolds if we are 3 weeks behind on your order. We are still going to get your manifold done and treat you as one of our best customers. We are not scamming you in any way, and i hope you understand that. Im not sure what type of troubles we caused you being 3 weeks. We are small, this is custom and we are sorry it has taken longer then we both thought. There is not much else we can do. There are about 6 other guys in the same position you are and quite frankly they are taking it quite fine which gives us the time to stay focused and complete orders quickly.
Thanks -Alex
Neukin Motor Development
www.turbogoods.com
www.neukin.com
ilarson007
06-27-2008, 10:18 AM
7 weeks is a real long time when you're waiting for something...
I will say though, ford racing is worse... or was for me.... I got one of the first New FRIM's after only a 56 week wait.....
The build is lookin good inis
DAMN!! Did you get any kind of refund??
ilarson007
06-27-2008, 10:31 AM
So last night I sent a dirty email to Neukin aka Alex. It was mainly about the 7 week delay, with multiple replys saying its done this date or that date. I was orginally told 3-4 weeks. His reply was short and simple with nothing major in it, other then I'm working on it. He replied with this picture:
http://kctuners.org/forum/uploads/1214023902/gallery_2_78_101392.jpg
ok, I know k-nothing about turbo stuff, but what is left to finish in this picture??
ilarson007
06-27-2008, 10:32 AM
Yes and no, yes I need it to complete this project. But no I still have other stuff I can work on.
Right now I'm fitting the intake mani (slotting it and some misc stuff) , its taken me a bit longer to get to because of work....and no free time.
Other then that, I have to weld the dry sump pan up, fit the header and turbo on, make the downpipe..then put her in the car.
I'll probally work on the intake mani friday til its done... its going to take several hours to do.
I asked for a 200.00 refund. We'll see how that goes....
Yea, seeing as it's taken at least twice as long, I don't think that is unreasonable.
ilarson007
06-27-2008, 10:35 AM
thats why we do it ourselves or take it to a local place, so you can drive to their shop and they cant hide behind a phone or a computer..
If I ever do a turbo build (any car) I think I'll still go to Neukin seeing as they are local for me, and ..... i could pop into the shop whenever. I guess what we learn from this is to not make orders during "racing season."
EDIT: I've got Derek's brother trying to get ahold of him to hurry it up a bit...
Ya I dont think I was being to unreasonable. 200 isn't un reasonable. There was 50.00 alone in misc fees. shipping , a bung, and some paypal fee. Taking 150 away from "profits" isn't bad, its less then 20% (18 to be exact) 23.5% if you take 200 out of the 850.00
Still no tracking information as of 5pm tonight , I'm litteraly lit about this. Tired of being told lies. These emails started tuesday. Its not friday and he still does not have it done.
Pisses me off to no extent.
I still dont understand why YOU think that all your problems are mine. I order your product at a set price, that was made by YOU. I understand its custom, and thats why I called you before I placed the order. We had a verbal agreement on 3 weeks to 4 weeks completion time. This verbal agreement has not been met by you and your company. I dont run your company, and if I did . I would employ the proper number of people to accomplish the daily duties to run the company.
Then you go and say this:
Please understand with custom products come custom natures and during racing season there is not much three guys can do custom building all these manifolds if we are 3 weeks behind on your order
Then this:
Im not sure what type of troubles we caused you being 3 weeks.
Is this a joke?
I wish for a 200.00 refund, or an agreeable refund of some sort for my delay. We had made a verbal agreement via the phone the day I purchased the manifold. I've been more then nice about the delay up until the 7th week. I've asked for a reasonable refund. If this can not met by monday, I file a report with Todd Rokita Secretary of State for indiana, the BBB, paypal claim, and with the CC I made this purchase on. I'll also make a report with Fort Waynes Police department, for internet fraud.
Sorry , I dont have the time to play around.
xxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx
maybe alittle harsh , but wtf we doing over there. Not setting prices accordling, not employing enough ppl, dicking around etc etc etc.
to tired to post what I did tonight, sure you all can figure it out.
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Beodude123
06-30-2008, 11:46 PM
That doesn't look very good...
no it doesn't, its all aligned correctly and thats where the bolt needs to be. I think I'm going to bolt it all up, once I get running if I have boost leaks I'll try making straps and getting longer bolts. If that doesn't work, I'll just skip it all and go ITB's.
Beodude123
07-01-2008, 12:14 AM
I bet it would work. Sort of like how the header panel is, just so long as it's torqued down properly, it should hold just fine. If you have enough of that gasket stuff on there, it should do alright. But I don't know squat about FRIMs, so... Yeah.
Sir William
07-01-2008, 04:21 AM
Inis, is that the new style frim???
When I made a template it wasn't off that far.....
Oh, btw, you that pic seems to be missing the flange for a wastegate.
of course I'm blind and might be missing it
MrWeeyums
07-01-2008, 09:52 AM
Looks safer if u were doing an NA built. Seems like a pretty sketchy seal on boost.
~Ryan
JohnP
07-01-2008, 11:01 AM
You need to use some larger washers , you'll have to grind the edges to fit . Thats the old manifold it had to be slotted . The manifold port shape on both manifolds doesn't match the head ports . The manifold port is 1/8"+ taller then the head port . The head port floor has to be lowered or you'll have a lip from the manifold into the head . There kind of like putting a square hole over a oval . Manifold port should be smaller then the head port . Use some copper RTV , put a 1/4" bead around the port a 1/4" out , let it set for a couple of days Before you mount the manifold . The old manifold has a smooth flange ,the new manifold has a groove around the port .
Don't tighten the bolts to tight , you'll pull the thread in the head . See if you can find some thicker washers with more diameter , couple of spots you'll have to grind them to fit . All the weight of the manifold is on the bottom bolts , but you need to be able to pull the top in to make a good seal .
I'm thinking I need some really thick washer up top, if I dont find strong enough thin ones. I'm going to get longer bolts. The ones I have have about 3/4" sticking out of the flange ...to grab the head.
I'll take pictures tonight of the gasket to the head and to the mani to compare. Its pretty dead on, but I still feel argueable about putting 20psi or more through it.
I'll try the copper rtv, think I'm also going to put some "right stuff" gasket maker on the outside ring around the paper gasket. When I install it.
Sure copper rtv wont get eating away by fuel? when I trade blue rtv years ago with the frim.. when I removed it, fuel had eatin away most of the rtv. I use the "right stuff" gasket maker and it last til I removed it (8 months?)
This intake is a nightmare. For what they cost, its a pain in the ass. Wonder if I bitch enough to Ford Racing, If I'd get anywhere...
JohnP
07-01-2008, 11:43 AM
The manifold was made for the FR200(Z20) head ran on the 300+HP Focus , head never made it to production . The manifold is a total pain in the ass , but theres not much choice out there . Get anywhere with Ford , thats like pissin into the wind . Use whatever has worked before , just let it cure a couple of days , copper worked for me .
2000ZxT
07-01-2008, 11:50 AM
It seems like some fender washers would help your cause.
I think I'm going to use the arp's on the lower bolts, and get longer ones on the top... I'm afraid to strip the head... with the amount of torq the bolts need .
I'll get some thick ass grade 8 washers . I did grind those lumps down on the flange where the bolt holes are. They we're so cockeye after I slotted everything... Plus it gives me that much extra on the bolt.
I'm also considering welding more on the flange, and taking the intake mani and getting it plained. But I'm wonderinf if my welds would crack later. Any thought on this?
I'd have my friend paul weld it for me, he'sa bad ass welder. Probally the best I've ever seen locally and on tv.
JohnP
07-01-2008, 01:29 PM
Once you have the larger washers you'll be good to go , no need to weld anything . If you have a West Marine or Port Supply , they carry a complete line of S.S. washers of excellent quality , all thickness and diameter . Any good marine supply should have what you need . Try Home Depot if theres no marine supply around .
I went to ace. I got some 3/8's grade 8 for the top. Then I got some 3/8 SS for the bottom. I couldn't remember how big the arp washers we're so I got them just incase.
Tomorrow night I'll seal her up. I'm going to take the mani to work tomorrow with me..and hit up a car wash sometime in the day...and use the power washer to rinse her out. I'm really really afraid of some small metal shaving in one of the threads I did...and just reg garden house rinsing wont get.
I've already taken a air compressor to it...but really not alot came out. I'm also going to vaccum it out.
We'll see how this goes tomorrow.
Also my mani did get mailed sat. It came today but this is what fed ex did:
Jul 1, 2008 6:12 PM Held at FedEx location for recipient pickup LENEXA, KS Package available for pickup at: 14635 W 99TH ST
6:12 PM At local FedEx facility LENEXA, KS
3:45 PM Delivery exception LENEXA, KS Incorrect address
8:06 AM On FedEx vehicle for delivery LENEXA, KS
6:32 AM At local FedEx facility LENEXA, KS
they called me at 610 saying they couldn't find the address today. Said they didn't know where "bucyrus" was, and asked if thats a subdivision in the next city haha.
I gave them directions, then at the end I asked if it required a sig. They said yes. I said I'll be there tomorrow to pick it up.
Also I did work out a deal with neukin, he's selling me tial products at a discount price.
I'm getting, tial v44 wastegate in black with a two springs eqaulling 16psi with a steel flange, I'm also getting the new Q bov in black, with the 10psi (16-19 vaccum) spring W/ aluminum flange. He gave them to me for 485 shipped, with a turn around time around a week. I called tial to verify there turn around time, its 3-4 days. He said he wouldn't be able to place an order for 2 days because he has to place an order for more then just two products.
I was going to purchase these local when the mani came in, these list for local:
44mm W/G = $375 + tax; $15 extra for color choice; $15 extra for dual springs
50mm BOV's = $229 + tax; $15 extra for color choice
Note that is the old version of the bov. On ebay the new Q's are going for around 259
375+15+15+ tax = 435.4
435.4+ 259= 694.40
694.40 - 485 = 209.40 saved
So thats just about what I asked for in a refund. Overall if the mani looks good and the tial products get here in a timely manner... i'll be happy.
jdrzx2
07-01-2008, 11:17 PM
Sounds like you worked that out nicely.
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ZX2guy19
07-02-2008, 09:16 AM
You should do something with the rusty part of the turbo. EVERYTHING looks sex but that. Just a thought. That manifold is...amazing.
TTFOWIA
07-02-2008, 09:23 AM
question: what about the catchcan? where you installed that custom made plate to cover the hole
I'm bead blasting the rusty part of the turbo mani tonight. I probally wont paint it as 1500 degrees will peak any paint I could get. I might get a turbo bag for it though.
I wont have the stock front catch can, I'm going to block off that hole/plate entirely. And drain the turbo to the windage tray. I was hoping the turbo would be high enough to use it, but its not.
Since I'm running a dry sump, you can seal off the block. The pump will put a vaccum on the block. I'll have a catch can for the cam cover seperate from the motor.
ilarson007
07-02-2008, 09:39 AM
Also I did work out a deal with neukin, he's selling me tial products at a discount price.
It's good to hear that something finally got worked out.
And a question: Is that the stock layout for the timing belt?
wrapping takes forever, atleast to do it nice and neat. I ran out of wrap, so i mounted it to test my oil line. Looks like I'll have to get a 45 elbow instead of the 90 going out of the turbo... so it clears the compressor housing better.
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yay found some black dei exhaust wrap today, should have the exhaust manifold completed and mounted correctly by tomorrow.
texas_04
07-04-2008, 06:06 PM
b-e-a-utiful
monday I have a friend that sales CNC machines, he's going to see if one of them can O-ring spots in my FRIM to except them. It would make it 200x's easier then to do this gasket crap.
And later today, I'll have the header finished being wrapped. I'll post pictures.
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my waterpump came in today.
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see how short the vaccum line for the FPR is... pretty nifty of me.
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ZX2guy19
07-13-2008, 03:44 PM
Lookin good man. Just out of 100% pure curiosity, why didn't you go with a manifold like this?
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Lookin good man. Just out of 100% pure curiosity, why didn't you go with a manifold like this?
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obx cracks overtime, atleast the two that I've seen on zetecs over 300whp.
Plus I wanted the 44mm wastegate on it, didn't feel like hacking a manifold.
I sold my wrc manifold to get the neukin one. Overall after recieving payment for the wrc mani, I paid 200 additional for the neukin one. The wrc one was great, but didn't clear the transmission clutch mechanism. I didn't want to hack it , being a valuable piece. It was well worth double what I sold it for ...but I'm happy with what I have no..so thats all that matters.
ilarson007
07-14-2008, 09:58 AM
Ok, bear with me here, but I take it that blue thing is the fuel rail? That engine is full of awesome...
ZX2guy19
07-14-2008, 10:24 AM
Yah it's the fuel rail.
Yah Inis I was just wondering because $800 is a lot, but I'm sure it's worth it. If it wasn't you wouldn't have gotten it. I got a brand new OBX manifold for free, so I can't complain. And I'm running internal wastegate, so that was another plus.
new oil line, got it 2 1/2 inches longer to keep away from that runner.
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neukin has to be yanking my chain.
so Its been 2 weeks since I paid for the tial products. Agreed on 7-10 days if I remember right (have to check emails). Email them last sat for status.
No response yet, so i take alittle action and call tial myself to see if they ordered them.
They did and they been shipped... BUT IN RED. I ordered black!
I've tried calling them 3 times today to see whats going on...
I'm pulling my hair out.
I thought well maybe they ordered red because someone else wanted red instead of black, but when I talked to him when ordering he had never seen/or stocked the new Q bov... so that rules that out...
argh , i hate ordering shit from 20 different places.
4U2QUIK
07-15-2008, 03:40 PM
why are you using a dis-2 with your ems-pro? seems kind of redundant. same goes for traction controll. why?
4U2QUIK
07-15-2008, 03:42 PM
also where the heck did you get the flange that's on your turbo? I need that flange really bad.
ZX2guy19
07-15-2008, 03:48 PM
What slim fan are you using?
2001zincsr
07-15-2008, 03:52 PM
also where the heck did you get the flange that's on your turbo? I need that flange really bad.
Check atpturbo for vband flanges like that.
why are you using a dis-2 with your ems-pro? seems kind of redundant. same goes for traction controll. why?
Higher spark output, once you've had a dis-2 on a zx2... you'll understand. Its one of the best mods I've ever done...on my previous N/A set up.
also where the heck did you get the flange that's on your turbo? I need that flange really bad.
I have one for sale, not as pretty as that one...but I have one. ATP sales that for right around... 95 + s/h . I have one I made, I'll sell it to you for 50 shipped, I have 75 into it plus welding
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welds look like crap, and its got surface rust..but dont be fooled ..it will out flow the atp one... I got the atp one because overall it was shorter.
What slim fan are you using?
flex-a-lite on a civic radiator.
email was sent last sat, I called tial monday, from previous page/post
neukin has to be yanking my chain.
so Its been 2 weeks since I paid for the tial products. Agreed on 7-10 days if I remember right (have to check emails). Email them last sat for status.
No response yet, so i take alittle action and call tial myself to see if they ordered them.
They did and they been shipped... BUT IN RED. I ordered black!
I've tried calling them 3 times today to see whats going on...
I'm pulling my hair out.
I thought well maybe they ordered red because someone else wanted red instead of black, but when I talked to him when ordering he had never seen/or stocked the new Q bov... so that rules that out...
argh , i hate ordering shit from 20 different places
he replied today:
Iv contact TiAL to see whats up but nothing solid to tell you. I wanted to
get this out right away because of how you felt about our last delay but id
doesnt seem to be going very well....
I ordered a large order on the 7th a few days after your order.. it was a
large order but they usually ship two packages+ etc as needed to get to me
what they can asap. I ordered another smaller order on the 8th and that
already came in like friday so im not sure what to say.
We receive TiAL goods next day since we are a few hours away but im clueless
whats going on over there.
Thanks -Alex
Neukin Motor Development llc
www.turbogoods.com
www.neukin.com
I spent about 5 hrs out in the garage tonight. I got the fuel return into the pump, the fittings put into the cam cover and windage tray, although I have to order a new drain flange for the turbo , the one I have is a screw in JIC fitting, after the kic to -10 an fitting, its to low. ATP sales a flange with a -10 fitting cnc'd into it. 30 bucks , but I need that 3/4 inch raise.
Pics:
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tomorrow I'll put the bump back in and run the lines from the tank to the bay
Also didn't even think of this til tonight, I need a fuel filter. So when i get back into the house i'll go order one.
MrWeeyums
07-18-2008, 11:49 PM
That return looks very familiar.
~Ryan
dam well been looking online all day.
Looking for:
-6 to -10 inline fuel filter
-10 oil flange for turbo (can only find at atp so far 30 bucks!)
-10 aluminum to jic fitting
J_Mob
07-20-2008, 12:32 AM
If I keep reading all these worklogs and how too's.....I could build my own ZX2. LOL.
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4U2QUIK
07-29-2008, 01:01 PM
it's about time.
zxtuner98
07-29-2008, 01:44 PM
nice
Motor is at my friends, waiting til sat to weld pan up. I dont feel motivated tonight.. so I only made the turbo oil line.
Making my turbo line:
1st: Wrap the desired cut spot in suitable tape, and cut with a fine blade (high number of teeth).
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2nd: remove said tape.
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3rd: put fitting cap on , push bushing under the SS braided line, but over the nylon center. 2/3's of the nylon center MUST be flush with the end of the bushing (has a stop point beveled into it)
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4th: Put other end of fitting into hose. Tighten down to a CC thickeness between cap and opposing part of fitting.
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5th: repeat process for other end.
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6th (optional): Slice on DEI fire sleeve.
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7th: put on self bonding tape to make a complete product.
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8th: omg all over yourself when oil line is finished.
got a miller tig welder the other day, so now I can start back up on the project.
McG35
09-21-2008, 12:33 AM
I thought you died or your car blew up
No, I've been going back and forth with the project. All that is left is the hard stuff, welding, fitment, IC piping welding...etc
I've decided to go all v-band clamps on the IC piping, with only two rubber connectors at the radiator support for flex. Even the TB will be a v-band.
Now for the bad news, I've slowed down almost to a hault with this project. Work is laying ppl off left and right. I'm working with what I have for now, if all goes well at work I'll start back up soon.
Just the thought of getting let go at work sickens me, I love my job. Then all the stuff that follows that route.. gotta slow down the car project.
So thats that.
ilarson007
09-21-2008, 07:27 PM
where do you work? I really hope you don't let this project die. It's too full of epic awesomeness...
99fordzx2
09-22-2008, 07:47 AM
I doubt he will, he's got way to much in it. But in the case that you do drop this project just so you know, Id buy that for a dollar!
-D
no I wont quit the project, since the weather is changing and the car needs tags.. theres no way I'll get it done in time before snow hits. So I am just planning on taking my time and have it going again around feb'ish for tuning.
I wont quit the project, dont worry. One thing though, keep in mind guys.. is that I work alot..and when I do get time to get in the garage.. going out in the garage alone, its very hard to be motivated.
I have plans to finish the pan this sat, if my buddies cancels (because we were going to do it at his house) , I have another buddy that will come over to mine and we'll attempt it ourselves.
I've gotten welding aluminum down pretty good, now I just have to apply what I've been teaching myself... to my own project. We'll see.
Also I got my frim cnc'd for viton o-rings around the runners. I should be able to pick it up tomorrow or wed. I wanted to NOT worry about boost leaks... I've had one before, its hard as hell to make sure those things dont leak at the flange.
has everyone seen my new water pump pulley?
bling bling
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got the frim back today, looks f'in sweet. Pics tonight.
still needs to be washed , but viton o-rings as gaskets = sex
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deadbuzzard
09-23-2008, 05:12 PM
W:exclaim:W thats all awsome looking stuff. good luck with that!!!!!
Bulli
09-23-2008, 06:30 PM
are our blocks iron stock?
are our blocks iron stock?
yes, with a aluminum head.
Bulli
09-23-2008, 08:26 PM
nice. so that means we have no sleaves? its all together..... im coming from a honda accord.... so yah i heard great things about iron blocks and how they are alot better.
nice. so that means we have no sleaves? its all together..... im coming from a honda accord.... so yah i heard great things about iron blocks and how they are alot better.
our sleeves our cast into our blocks, I have seen sleeves put in zetecs overseas.
TTFOWIA
09-24-2008, 07:43 AM
sweet. keep it up!
4U2QUIK
09-24-2008, 10:28 AM
nice, how much did they charge you to do the o-ring grooves?
nice, how much did they charge you to do the o-ring grooves?
100.00 , I got pics of it on the cnc machine while its cnc'ing.. was pretty interested. For the customer service and the attention to detail it was well worth the hundred. I'll go to them again for other machining... great guys.
4U2QUIK
09-25-2008, 10:25 AM
Sounds like you got one heck of a deal. I wouldn't have done it for 100$
Sounds like you got one heck of a deal. I wouldn't have done it for 100$
Really?
I did it because in the past with a frim n/a I had a extremely hard time sealing it to the head. On top of that, everytime you have to redo the gasket its a bitch to remove with the engine in the car. I hope I've taken all that hassle out, plus got a 100% leak proof/boost proof seal to the head. If not I'll find another option.
Also I thought of something today at work, I got to thinking about my wrc water pump and how it has no shield . I was thinking a wheel for the serpentine belt was mounted on the exterior cover of it, sure enough it is. I hope I dont need it, or can make a bracket to hold the wheel on somehow. With the option of welding aluminum now, I should be able to make something work.
OGreaTFuzzY1
09-25-2008, 08:11 PM
lookin good manz i wanna see this thing get done faster lol
~Fuzzy
lookin good manz i wanna see this thing get done faster lol
~Fuzzy
if I get the pan made sat, it motor will be in the car before next wed. Right now I've gotten welding aluminum done pretty good, but I'm having a hard time seaming two joints together. For some reason I can't get my rod applied easily. (tig welding of coarse) my dad is coming over sat to watch me...and tell me wtf I'm doing wrong. I can do steel fine on anything, I can weld on aluminum fine... but when doing a butt joint, I have issues.
figured it out tonight my issue, was holding the stick too close to the tungsten making it "soft" , to soft when applying. Holding it back, getting a good melt then applying seems to work perfectly.
for some odd reason the thermostat housing is not the right one, I have screw in sensors instead of clip in. Now I have to find some sensors :(
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ZX2guy19
09-28-2008, 07:39 PM
What all is left to be done?
Looks great, but I wouldn't have covered up that beautiful manifold :]
Whats all left to be done? lol ok but I'll try:
Timing (installation of the cam gears, then setting the timing)
Find a serpentine belt, find a tensioner for it..since its a "new" set up
Get a few misc bolts and sensors.
Make the dry sump pan
order dry sump belt
purchase a gazillion dollars worth of fittings and hoses
purchase a dry sump tank
get a cam cover
finish aligning the inake mani
install intake mani
get injectors
install fuel rail
install tb
make tb cable bracket
install coil/wires/bracket
install flywheel / clutch
make downpipe with cutout
make wastegate dump
make IC piping
decide if I'm keeping said IC or going with something else
mount radiator
get radiator hoses
list goes on and on and on and on
Its starting to become a gaint collision coarse from hell, everything coming together at once. I have to keep double checking myself on everything ..so its not click click boom.
Also the mani is covered with heat wrap. More for performance and heat reduction then appearance. All the downpipes and IC piping will be the same way.
ravensguildassasin
09-28-2008, 08:38 PM
hey man i have a question what happens to the IAC (idle air control) valve with the frim? is the a spot to hook it up or is there a way around it?
hey man i have a question what happens to the IAC (idle air control) valve with the frim? is the a spot to hook it up or is there a way around it?
it mounts to the back side of the frim, and there is a inlet on the top of the frim. You run a hose from it to your intake. I'll have pics when I get there...
ravensguildassasin
09-29-2008, 10:51 AM
right on. yeah I have not been abel to find any pics of where it hooks to.
ZX2 S/R Black
09-30-2008, 11:42 PM
OMGGGGGGGGGGG i haven't kept up with this... i haven't been on this at all in forever. Inis this is the sweetest setup i've ever seen so far! congrats man looks beautiful
OMGGGGGGGGGGG i haven't kept up with this... i haven't been on this at all in forever. Inis this is the sweetest setup i've ever seen so far! congrats man looks beautiful
thanks! this week I've been working on timing. Did it the first time, doh didn't have the crank in the right position. The 2nd time, I gave it 4-5 spins came back wrong. So I'll have to do it a third time, also working on getting the alt bracket and frim on. Cam cover is on its way, its something special. Can't wait for show and tell.
Hoping to get alot done this friday/sat took two days off this week for it and a few errons.
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that right there adds like 100 whp
Damn that's a sexy cover . . .
Buster
10-02-2008, 10:36 AM
Beautiful!
Will it hold up with the heat?
ZX2guy19
10-02-2008, 10:37 AM
Nice Focus Cover. I saw one for sale awhile I thought about picking up...I just didn't. Very nice man!
ZX2 S/R Black
10-02-2008, 10:57 AM
Yet another wonderful addition to a sweet looking build... so INIS... i know nothing ever goes to plan as far as schedule wise for builds like these... but what is your eta as far as when you want this all up and running? and one other thing, who do you plan on going through for the tune? or are you doing it yourself?
Beautiful!
Will it hold up with the heat?
it will probally yellow out, every pure CF cam cover I've seen has. If I have any issues with it, I'll get a stock contour cam cover (metal) and run it on the streets and this for show. I think I'll be fine with though.
Nice Focus Cover. I saw one for sale awhile I thought about picking up...I just didn't. Very nice man!
Yep there was 2 made, both have went through FF for sale section. This one sat for awhile, so I gave in.
Yet another wonderful addition to a sweet looking build... so INIS... i know nothing ever goes to plan as far as schedule wise for builds like these... but what is your eta as far as when you want this all up and running? and one other thing, who do you plan on going through for the tune? or are you doing it yourself?
Well your right, nothing ever goes as planned. Everything has taken twice as long if not more. I still gotta lenthen this out some. I need aprox around 600.00 more in parts (dry sump stuff)
I'll start the motor on the stock pcm, break it in for about 100 miles with little to no boost. Then after that I'll switch over to megasquirt. I'll have a base tune to get me running. Then Scott Clark (aka deiselgeek) in Omaha NE will tune me on a dyno. He's a pretty amazing tuner. One of the best, if not the best megasquirt tuners around the world.
I dont plan to be on the rollers til feb or so. I plan to be running here within 6 weeks.
b-rad
10-02-2008, 11:14 PM
it will probally yellow out, every pure CF cam cover I've seen has. If I have any issues with it, I'll get a stock contour cam cover (metal) and run it on the streets and this for show. I think I'll be fine with though.
Yep there was 2 made, both have went through FF for sale section. This one sat for awhile, so I gave in.
Well your right, nothing ever goes as planned. Everything has taken twice as long if not more. I still gotta lenthen this out some. I need aprox around 600.00 more in parts (dry sump stuff)
I'll start the motor on the stock pcm, break it in for about 100 miles with little to no boost. Then after that I'll switch over to megasquirt. I'll have a base tune to get me running. Then Scott Clark (aka deiselgeek) in Omaha NE will tune me on a dyno. He's a pretty amazing tuner. One of the best, if not the best megasquirt tuners around the world.
I dont plan to be on the rollers til feb or so. I plan to be running here within 6 weeks.
you better be running with in weeks...i still want to see your car run eventually. You have an extraordinary project here and put in a TON of time however I want to finally this thing DONE.
ilarson007
10-03-2008, 05:11 AM
you better be running with in weeks...i still want to see your car run eventually. You have an extraordinary project here and put in a TON of time however I want to finally this thing DONE.
I second that motion ;).
But make sure that you don't rush the actual installation so it gets put together correctly the first time...
i plan on working on it today and tomorrow. :elephant:
TheEvilZX2
10-03-2008, 05:56 PM
wow inis i read this whole log front to back today. absolutely awesome build. i cant even find the words to compliment a build like this. all i can say is i hope one day have enough money to take on something like this.
PabloDiablo
10-03-2008, 06:25 PM
where can i find a valve cover like that?
ZX2guy19
10-03-2008, 07:36 PM
www.focaljet.com
www.focusfanatics.com
It won't fit a Zx2 without work and only 2 were ever made, one which sits with Inis. Good luck my friend.
PabloDiablo
10-03-2008, 07:42 PM
.... :sad:
my buddy who has a srt4 motor in his 1st gen neon, he has a pure CF cam cover with a lip for the gasket. He says he can't get it to seal for shit. He told me good luck :( ...oh well I'll figure it out when I get there...
tonight I got the garage cleaned up alot, this will help me make things go faster tomorrow when I start welding. I also lined up the intake mani with frim to make sure the bolt holes are cut correctly , two need slotted more.. but I did manage to get it aligned absolutely perfect. Used a filler rod, bent slid it in the injector boss and felt for alignment. It was pretty good..so I left it at that. Then I polished the TB side of the frim, and started on one runner before I worked my sand paper down. Later tonight I'll go get some more.. I'll probally be in the garage til 3am. Gotta change some spark plugs on a 3100 for the woman.
wow inis i read this whole log front to back today. absolutely awesome build. i cant even find the words to compliment a build like this. all i can say is i hope one day have enough money to take on something like this.
thanks, I appreciate the compliment. Its been a huge , lengthened out, expense (to say the least) build.
PabloDiablo
10-03-2008, 07:47 PM
did you get the turbo hedder on ebay?
corby_baby
10-03-2008, 08:04 PM
did you get the turbo hedder on ebay?
lol no.
did you get the turbo hedder on ebay?
no, thats a 855.00 Stainless steel custom manifold. Its made by nuekin motorsports.
ilarson007
10-03-2008, 09:17 PM
did you get the turbo hedder on ebay?
What Inis said + that company is local to me. They have really good product, but Inis had a terrible time trying to get the parts from them.
scort2498
10-03-2008, 09:53 PM
Have you kept a running total so far?
Have you kept a running total so far?
lol, do I want to?
If I was to guess, I'd say somewhere around 6500.00 to 7500 + the welder.
I think in the shortblock alone I have right around 3500.00 , I'll tab it after I'm running. I talked to insurance about putting full coverage only on the motor lol. I wanted it to where if someone hit me and damage the motor or if someone stole anything under the hood I'm covered. They said they can make it work but it would be all OEM value. I said ya right, they said bring in replacement cost and we'll go from there. So once I'm running I have to do that.
PabloDiablo
10-05-2008, 09:59 AM
no, thats a 855.00 Stainless steel custom manifold. Its made by nuekin motorsports.
ok, it kinda looked similar to the obx on ebay : http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=&item=350101905337 thinkin of turboing my car so i can beat evilescort - a member here im friends with:satannana:
corby_baby
10-05-2008, 01:21 PM
ok, it kinda looked similar to the obx on ebay : http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=&item=350101905337 thinkin of turboing my car so i can beat evilescort - a member here im friends with:satannana:
DOOOIT
PabloDiablo
10-05-2008, 02:36 PM
lol, he beats me now... i hope he dosent find this and gets pissed at me.. oh well,lol!!
over the weekend, I got about half way through making the pan. It was one thing after another going wrong. The biggest being not enough amps going to the welder. The line feeding to the garage is 6 gauge, also going to the welder is 6 gauge. I was clearly overloading it. I think I can finish the build , but after the car is done, I get to do some trenching and re-wiring.
ZX2 S/R Black
10-06-2008, 09:21 PM
oooo that isn't any fun... I will get a nice one of those one day... welders are so cool... so much potential.... Don't worry inis lol like we agreed on earlier... nothing goes to plan... so as long as you remind yourself that... then i guess it does go to plan haha
holes dont line up, because it hits the cam gears. I'll PM the seller and also probally end up cutting the ends that hit with a dremel. Anyone know if a cutting disc on a dremel will make a clean cut on CF?
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corby_baby
10-07-2008, 10:50 AM
i would be pissed if i paid that much and it didnt work. maybe carbontc can chime in and help ya out.
I dont think it was ever fit (brand new) , and I doubt its a big issue to trim it. I'll still make the seller aware though.
corby_baby
10-07-2008, 11:05 AM
I dont think it was ever fit (brand new) , and I doubt its a big issue to trim it. I'll still make the seller aware though.
yah man no doubt. i seen it on focaljet not to long ago i think.
ZX2guy19
10-07-2008, 11:07 AM
Holy shit it looks good.
capitalcrew
10-07-2008, 11:15 AM
Would look a ton better if you had a different oil line from the head to your turbo.
Would look a ton better if you had a different oil line from the head to your turbo.
I'm not making a 4 foot line to the back of the block like everyone else does. Where its at is short, simple, and away from heat.
PHeller
10-07-2008, 11:31 AM
I think he was commenting on the material of the line covering, not the placement or length.
Looks out of place, does it have heat wrap or something on it? What's the shiny black wrapping?
I think he was commenting on the material of the line covering, not the placement or length.
Looks out of place, does it have heat wrap or something on it? What's the shiny black wrapping?
Ya its DEI fire sleeve , inside the braided oil line is a plastic liner. I didn't want to melt it, if I melt and oil gets exposed..then hits the header.. I'm fucked. Rather be safe , then sorry.
http://www.designengineering.com/products.asp?m=sp&pid=53
was a bitch to get the gasket to stay. I'm 70% positive I'll leak oil from the cam cover. I glued the gasket onto the cam cover, if I leak oil I'll redo the glue and use epoxy instead. The glue I used didn't seem to hold very well with bolting the cam cover down.
I also timed the motor tonight.
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My help for the night.
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dont be fooled, he's a monster. He'll eat you alive.
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ilarson007
10-10-2008, 09:49 PM
That is a ginormous dog.
Good work on the motor.
That is a ginormous dog.
Good work on the motor.
131lb champion breed choc lab. , he's a huge teddy bear.
ilarson007
10-11-2008, 08:47 AM
Wow. Our black lab is like, 70-80lbs.
Wow. Our black lab is like, 70-80lbs.
The litter was entire choc, dad is 115lbs, mom is 70ish lbs , all 8 we're pure choc - no spots nothing . All went to family, we got two the runt and titan. The runt went with my brother, but after he passed away my mom took him. He turned out a very muscular dark dark choc, around 70lbs. Most of the males we're 90-100 , with 3 of the litter being over 100. Titan turned out to be the biggest, and even bigger then his dad. All but the two we have are hunting dogs. They still take the parents out to hunt too.
He's a great dog, such a goof ball.
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ilarson007
11-10-2008, 05:47 PM
Nice. Did you say what you're planning on doing with the transmission?
Nice. Did you say what you're planning on doing with the transmission?
transmission is already built, if I melt gears.. I'll go with straight cut ones. :satannana:
capitalcrew
11-10-2008, 06:28 PM
BTW, I was commenting on the material, as was pointed out.
BTW, I was commenting on the material, as was pointed out.
capital, I'm not understanding, did I miss a post?
capitalcrew
11-10-2008, 06:36 PM
It was quite a while ago, I should have quoted myself. Previous page, you quoted me at the top of this one.
oh i c, its just braided oil line, with a heat retardent cover over it... I dont think it looks that bad.
capitalcrew
11-10-2008, 06:46 PM
I just think it looks out of place.
That VC certainly makes up for it though. ;)
I just think it looks out of place.
That VC certainly makes up for it though. ;)
ya, either ppl will be looking at other stuff OR wont be able to see me in sight. We'll see.
No pictures.
Ordered:
a autometer part# 6153 Cobalt full sweep oil pressure gauge.
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/atm-6153_lit_w.jpg
Summit list for 199.99 + s/h http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=atm-6153
I obtained it for just slighly over 100 with shipping.
Also ordered a tight radius 3" 304 SS mandrel U-bend , P2R (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/P2R-TURBO-VACUUM-DISTRIBUTION-BLOCK_W0QQitemZ220286264946QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMoto rs_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?_trksid=p4506.m20.l 1116) vacuum manifold in black
On the P2R mani and the bend, I got 25% back through live.com
WickedZ
11-14-2008, 09:59 PM
good gauges man.
good gauges man.
all my gauges except for my fuel pressure are cobalt series full sweep, my fuel pressure is z-series full sweep. Got it for 70 shipped, and it was 210 new. Couldn't resist. I actaully like the z-series better, but they make less gauges of it, so i stuck with cobalt series.
corby_baby
11-15-2008, 07:10 AM
i haz cobalt gauges.
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And the oil sensors, cgi has two spots. I put the autometer sensor closer to the belt side..just incase it wouldn't clear the starter.. dont want to redo it later on.
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ZX2 S/R Black
11-30-2008, 09:41 PM
This looks so nice man keep it rollin!!!!
As always good luck and i hope you don't run into any problems :)
I'm tugging along, just taking my time :) No rush, we got 3 more months of snow.
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