McCain's VP, who do you want?

[PHeller]

Bobby Jindall!

but McCain won't get the Presidency, so it doesn't matter, but the more attention Jindall gets, the better chance he'll be a Presidential canidate in future elections.

[Buster]

Jindall is a great choice.


I'd love to see J.C. Watts personally.

[PHeller]

Many think Jindall will be selected...we've yet to here it from McCain.

[JonsZX2SR]

...a moderate. The conservative right won't vote Democrat so choosing a moderate VP would be the best way to divide the electorate against the Democrats.

Jindall would be an interesting choice, considering how much he is liked by Louisiana voters despite not being the typical white male. Anybody but Huckabee or Libermann...

Some political humor... Who has the toughest VP search ?? (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/30/cartoon.clicks/index.html)

[af3ll]

Someone who ensures he loses.

[ZX2guy19]

Someone who ensures he loses.

YES! WIN!!one1!!!

Seriously. Hopefully we won't have to worry about this fucking idiot's VP

[Buster]

Someone who ensures he loses.


But I don't think Obama can be McCain's VP and also run against him...probably a rule against that. :D :wacko:

[af3ll]

Obama will be the next president.

[Buster]

Obama will be the next president.

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[af3ll]

You honestly think old man McCain and his psycho war approach will win?

[Buster]

With a constituency with a mindset like ^THAT^, do you honestly think Obama has a chance. :D



Seriously, have you been paying attention to Obama lately? If he made gaffes like this early in the campaign, Hillary would've locked up the nomination in March. He's making some very stupid statements and moves lately and digging himself into a deep hole. He's getting waxed in pretty much every state by Hillary but lucky for him, he established an early and very large lead that will carry him. He'll be the party nominee while getting 30% in most states. I don't think his party will have faith in him and with the upcoming mess of superdelagates switching to him from Clinton to give him the nomination, there's going to be a lot of people (a LOT of women voters) who will have a feeling of betrayal.

McCain will get a lot of Democrat votes in this election.

[af3ll]

Obama has the want for change which a lot of Americans want. I'm curious to see who he picks as his VP.

[af3ll]

I just don't see how another Republican gets in after Bush did such a terrible job and has one of the lowest approval ratings ever.

[PHeller]

I'm curious to see who the competition, whichever side it may be, picks as VP, because I'd rather both sides have good canidates than one side pick a dude like Cheney, and get elected.

[STS-ZX2SR]

Obama has the want for change which a lot of Americans want.

Want? You're gonna support a guy with no track record on what he wants? Please. All the rhetoric in the world still makes him an empty suit. Really--what has this man done to warrant being President?

[Buster]

Obama has the want for change which a lot of Americans want. I'm curious to see who he picks as his VP.


With no real ideas (other than surrendering in the war).

Hope has never accomplished ANYTHING.

[Buster]

I just don't see how another Republican gets in after Bush did such a terrible job and has one of the lowest approval ratings ever.

The President's approval rating is 3 times higher than that of Congress, who has been hovering BARELY in double digits, the lowest rating ever.

Now WHO is in Congress? Obama, McCain, Clinton... :D



At least McCain has plans for energy, defense and the economy, even if many don't agree with them. I'll take honest ideas over flowery sermons with no content anyday.

President Bush doesn't actually have the lowest ratings ever, it's a media talking point.

[af3ll]

Want? You're gonna support a guy with no track record on what he wants? Please. All the rhetoric in the world still makes him an empty suit. Really--what has this man done to warrant being President?
Where did I say I supported him?

[STS-ZX2SR]

Very well. It sure seemed implied; it seemed like others took it as such as well.

[af3ll]

I have no clue yet. I have to vote though. It is almost a waste though since my home state is very Republican. I'm not allowed to complain though if I don't vote.

[JonsZX2SR]

The entire election process is so skewed and expensive that it drives away people who might make good leaders. Many of them go on to start or lead successful businesses. Then the politicians berate them for being successful and making money...

Like it or not, most of the time we vote for the best of the rest...

[STS-ZX2SR]

Like it or not, most of the time we vote for the best of the rest...


It generally is a matter of picking the "lessor of two evils"; while I am no McCain fanboy, he clearly has much more qualifications--and a much more tangible record--than either BHO or HRC. He is moderate enough in most areas to have a wide appeal. My hope is that the mainstream population can get past the excellent oratory skills of BHO and see that there is little substance (e.g. hope...want...) beneath it. Being a great speaker does not an effective President make.

[Buster]

^

Truth. :(

[PHeller]

However, the more the world likes our President, the better off it seems we have been, at least the better off we've felt.

I vote primarily based on foreign policy goals/policies that a candidate prescribes. Sure, other things matter tremendously, but to me, if our President is not liked by the rest of the world, that gives every American a bad name.

My parents have friends who are international sales people, they fly all over the world, and interact with people of many cultures and backgrounds.

The predominant complaint they hear from customers/clients about "US as a whole" is that Bush has not represented the United States in a way that is reflective of the average US Citizen travelling abroad.

For this reason, I think our future Presidents will need not only to be "true Americans" but all need to very well travelled, or have varied cultural backgrounds.

I think Jindall would make a great VP for McCain. Young, "true conservative", with a compassionate background towards the welfare of others (health care) and interesting personal history as well.

I had always liked to see a Obama/Richardson ticket, but it looks like it will be a Obama/Clinton mix at this point. Which isn't completely bad, because she was well liked overseas, and she's got experience (whether its ligitement or not).

I didn't ask the question to be a "who will win the Presidency" or "who will you vote for", I asked as a "given the choices available, who would you prefer to have on the ticket with your chosen candidate?"

[af3ll]

Speaking of the rest of the world liking a president. I took this picture when I was in Rome.

http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v64/22/34/503590991/n503590991_34811_5289.jpg

[Buster]

Wow. That's some solid evidence! Yikes!


I guess those t-shirts I've seen mocking the Pope are right too!

[af3ll]

I bet you're going to lock yourself in a room and cry after Dubya leaves office aren't you?

[krux]

Im with buster for once on the presidency on how he is viewing it.

[JonsZX2SR]

I wonder if anyone has considered George Foreman (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25096395/) ?? he has a lot of good ideas, speaks well, has come by far greater wealth than most politicians and best of all, he doesn't NEED to holf public office. That means he might actually be motivated to do a good job.

[SeRiousZX2]

Does it really matter who his running mate will be?? We will have the first African-American President next year. Too many americans are ticked off with the republican economy right now to not vote democratic.

[SeRiousZX2]

Oh, and McCain is an idiot. He wants to continue with Bush's economic plans, continue the wars, and give oil companies tax breaks......

[af3ll]

Come on Marine you love war! HOORAH!

[SoCalZX2]

Does it really matter who his running mate will be?? We will have the first African-American President next year. Too many americans are ticked off with the republican economy right now to not vote democratic.

And then they'll be ticked off when they're taxed out the ass :) Politics are a lose lose situation.

[STS-ZX2SR]

Does it really matter who his running mate will be?? We will have the first African-American President next year. Too many americans are ticked off with the republican economy right now to not vote democratic.

Last time I checked, we have a Democratic Congress (Senate and House). The biggest reason that the economy is having troubles is oil. The domino effect touches nearly everything... If the Democrats would stop blocking drilling in the Artic (ANWR) and in the Gulf, where there could be something like 15 billion barrels--and maybe displace some polar bears and some fish--our oil situation would be vastly improved.

The other key reason the economy is having trouble is the mortgage mess...and all of it's domino effect. That is certainly not a Republican "problem".

Please stop being a media-following lemming.

[STS-ZX2SR]

Oh, and McCain is an idiot. He wants to continue with Bush's economic plans, continue the wars, and give oil companies tax breaks......

And BHO wants to tax 'em more....which will lead to even higher prices. Liberals need to realize that you can't tax your way to prosperity, and you never, ever can truly tax a business. All that does is raise the cost...which gets passed on to you and me. No Thanks.

[SoCalZX2]

The economy is more than just oil and housing (neither of which are directly related to GWB being in office)

The housing isn't even a nationwide issue. The only housing having a MAJOR problem is mostly the people that shouldn't have bought in the first place. ARMs and other sub-prime lending is the cause of that, not GWB. Also he doesn't set the price of oil either. Now I'm sure the war (which he couldn't declare w/o congress) hasn't helped, but again he has no direct effect on the price of oil per barrel.

["aint got time to bleed"]

I dont know about you guys but I dont want to see a war for the rest of my life. If mccain is in he's already said he'll stay in Iraq for up to 100 yrs. Thats from his mouth. You cant deny the fact the us being in debt and this never ending war + bush's oil buddies getting rich isn't partly reason for the high gas prices. If the economy is bad now just think what it will be like if we continue to wage war.

[STS-ZX2SR]

The economy is more than just oil and housing (neither of which are directly related to GWB being in office)




Correct...there is of course more, but they are two very key components in the bigger picture, and as stated are not W's problems (nor the Repblican's problems). Point is...if there was no mortage crisis, and oil was at a point that gas was say $2.00/gallon...the perception of the public would be vastly different, as would, I am sure, the feelings towards GWB.

FWIW, the mortgage crisis is a nationwide issue; first driven by FannieMae and FreddieMac, and then by the mortgage insurance companies, banks/mortgage lenders have tightened up lending guidelines tremendously...and that effets people everywhere who want a motgage. The subprime meltdown has shaken Wall Street to the core and that has ripple effects everywhere in the economy--if you want to get into it more, I will (I work in the mortgage industry), but suffice it to say that it is big and far-reaching in scope.

[STS-ZX2SR]

bush's oil buddies getting rich isn't partly reason for the high gas prices.

Oil prices are high because speculators are driving the prices up of oil futures and because there is a huge spike worldwide demand primarily coming from China and India...along with OPEC being unwilling to correspondingly increase production. Oil companies do not set the price of oil--it's a comodity with a cost that is simply figured into their bottom line and passed along to us. The market determines the price all based on supply and demand.

[JonsZX2SR]

Factor in the decline of the dollar against other currencies of nations that compete for commodities on the world market. If the dollar drops 25%, expect the price of oil in dlarras to rise by approximately the same amount.

It doesn't help that the Chinese are paying for oil imports with UD dollars taken in trade. This has a double whammy of driving up oil prices and devaluing the dollar.

[Buster]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aoW6m2Vc0GSU&refer=worldwide

Dollar Gains Most Since 2005 as Bernanke Says Growth Risk Fades

June 11 (Bloomberg) -- The dollar may extend the biggest two-day gain versus the euro since 2005 after Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke said economic risks have faded, spurring traders to boost wagers interest rates will rise.

The U.S. currency rose to a three-month high against the yen after Bernanke said late on June 9 that the central bank will ``strongly resist'' any waning of public confidence in stable prices. Economic fundamentals ``compare favorably with those of other industrialized major economies,'' Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said yesterday in a Bloomberg Television interview in Washington. A Fed report today on economic activity, the so-called beige book, may show an improvement.




It's not as bad as the Chicken Littles say. :)

[SeRiousZX2]

And BHO wants to tax 'em more....which will lead to even higher prices. Liberals need to realize that you can't tax your way to prosperity, and you never, ever can truly tax a business. All that does is raise the cost...which gets passed on to you and me. No Thanks.

Last I checked the Dems were pushing for oil tax breaks and fuel tax breaks at the pumps.

[SoCalZX2]

Last I checked the Dems were pushing for oil tax breaks and fuel tax breaks at the pumps.

Tax breaks in one area while raising your taxes everywhere else... Yeah, thats fair :D lol

[SeRiousZX2]

I would rather pay an extra .07 for a snickers bar than $5 for a gallon of gas....

[SoCalZX2]

As would I... but what about the cost of EVERYTHING else going up... Gas isn't the only commodity this country uses daily. It's not just gonna be the snickers bar that goes up .07... and it'd most likely go up much more than that.

How about if they were to raise your tax bracket? There by lowering your available income? Now hows that .07 look... + the expensive gas prices that won't be dropping as much as anyone wants. Couple the increase in taxes on singular items + the increase in tax bracket and you'll see that a slight break in 1 area isn't nearly as appealing vs the overall picture.

[ZX2guy19]

When Bush took office the national average price of gas was $1.46. I truly can't see how anyone could like Bush...lol.

[SoCalZX2]

Because the rest of us don't solely blame bush for the fuel increase... considering here in cali gas rises .20 a year no matter who the president is.

[ZX2guy19]

Great, then you'd be paying $3/gallon still

[SoCalZX2]

Fact is he's not solely responsible.. get over it ;)

[Buster]

When Bush took office the national average price of gas was $1.46. I truly can't see how anyone could like Bush...lol.

Fact = he has repeatedly brought up the need to drill our own domestic oil, build new refineries, expend nuclear energy to lessen usage of oil-based energy

Fact = Congress votes these proposals down every time so we don't disturb animals and so they can blame President Bush for oil prices because ignorant people will believe him

Fact = I truly can't believe how they stopped properly teach economics and civics in school anymore..."lol".

[Buster]

I would rather pay an extra .07 for a snickers bar than $5 for a gallon of gas....

If we were allowed to use our own oil, you could save money on both. :)

[SoCalZX2]

Fact = he has repeatedly brought up the need to drill our own domestic oil, build new refineries, expend nuclear energy to lessen usage of oil-based energy

Fact = Congress votes these proposals down every time so we don't disturb animals and so they can blame President Bush for oil prices because ignorant people will believe him

Fact = I truly can't believe how they stopped properly teach economics and civics in school anymore..."lol".

They do, but it wasn't required to graduate... so I never took it lol.

[SeRiousZX2]

Fact = There never were Weapons of Mass Destruction yet we are still at war because Bush is so hard headed to admit that he rushed into action and that he was wrong.

I find it funny how he ALWAYS pushes the blame onto other people/organizations.

Grant it, Obama may do some bad but he will do some good too. Anything is better than continuing down the road we currently are on.

[PHeller]

Obama does not support gas tax cuts.

McCain does.

[PHeller]

what Happened To Being On Topic?

Who For Republican Vice President?

[ZX2guy19]

what Happened To Being On Topic?

Who For Republican Vice President?

WHO THE FUCK CARES IF WE ARE ON TOPIC...MR.MOD

[Buster]

They do, but it wasn't required to graduate... so I never took it lol.

They offer the class, but they don't properly teach it at most schools anymore. :)










Oh and we found WMDs. ;)



Back to the topic.

McCain's VP better be a Conservative if he wants to win. If he picks another person like him, his party will be very disappointed. He can't win on Hillary supporters who can't vote for Obama only.

[STS-ZX2SR]

Fact = I truly can't believe how they stopped properly teach economics and civics in school anymore..."lol".
QFT!

[SeRiousZX2]

Who For Republican Vice President?

Jeb Bush, so we can have 2 douche bags on the same ballot.

[PHeller]

Buster, I think McCain may actually got the opposite direction.

He's got experience, which is drawing some of Obama's supporters over who backed Hilary because of her experience, and I think he's saved the party by becoming this so called "modern moderate republican" that many younger republicans are looking for.

I think he needs to find someone young, progressive, and maybe, not a white male, and I seriously doubt he'll pick another white male VP. If he does, they will probably be someone that the party selects, not just him.

[SoCalZX2]

So because McCain thinks we need to be careful with an exit strategy he's a douche? Or is it because you don't realize that your snickers bar wouldn't be the only tax increase if a DEM gets elected? Just like to know why you say McCain's a douche...

[SeRiousZX2]

So because McCain thinks we need to be careful with an exit strategy he's a douche? Or is it because you don't realize that your snickers bar wouldn't be the only tax increase if a DEM gets elected? Just like to know why you say McCain's a douche...

Anyone that wants to continue with Bush-omics is a douche.

I will say it again, change is better than being stagnant and let it all fall to shit.

And why do we need to be careful on an exit strategy??? We shouldn't be there in the first place. Lets pack our crap and get out. Its not like they are giving us oil or anything.

[SoCalZX2]

You just don't get it do you...

Backing out now and just letting that country in that area of the world just fall into the next tyranny will do more harm to us than good.

Should we be there? Thats another debate... but we ARE there and just running away will do more political and economical harm in the long run than making sure they can stand on their own feet.

Yes we need change, but not change that increases governmental control or our daily lives and lessens the money coming into each individual person.

[Buster]

Anyone that wants to continue with Bush-omics is a douche.

I will say it again, change is better than being stagnant and let it all fall to shit.

And why do we need to be careful on an exit strategy??? We shouldn't be there in the first place. Lets pack our crap and get out. Its not like they are giving us oil or anything.

Wow, you're either naive or uneducated. Can't figure out which.

Bush-omics? Clever.

We have had a GREAT economy under this President. We overcame the recession he was handed to him from the tech company failures and the previous Administration that didn't touch the economy other than to raise taxes. We overcame 09/11, which had a huge negative effect on the economy. Home ownership reached all-time highs while unemployment hit all-time lows and is still lower than it has been for decades. He cut taxes. I'll agree he should've cut spending also, but Congress has as big of a role or larger in that.

Right now, the only real economic problem is fuel prices and the President has NO effect on that. OPEC is corrupt, demand is up and supplies are down from China and India now using a ton of oil for the first time. Also, Congress continues to keep us dependent on foreign oils because they will not allow us to properly obtain and refine our own oil. We have a reserve no one is talking about in North Dakota. It is the biggest reserve in the world. It's called Bakken. It contains an estimated 413 BILLION barrels. To put things in perspective...the largest reserve in the world right now it the Saudi 55-Billion barrell field. It dwarfs ANWR and EVERY other oil field in the world. Yet, a few weeks ago, Democrats in Congress ONCE AGAIN voted against drilling for our own oil.


Here. Educate yourself:
http://www.startribune.com/business/19577194.html?location_refer=Most+Viewed:Homepage


Open your eyes and stop letting blind political hatred cloud reality for you.

[PHeller]

We have a reserve no one is talking about in North Dakota. It is the biggest reserve in the world. It's called Bakken. It contains an estimated 413 BILLION barrels. To put things in perspective...the largest reserve in the world right now it the Saudi 55-Billion barrell field. It dwarfs ANWR and EVERY other oil field in the world.

Due to the porosity of the oil shale in that region it is estimated that 2.1 Billion barrells are recoverable with our currently drilling technology. That's not great, but its better than nothing. Drilling technology is slow moving because oil producers make profit whether they can access remote supplies or not.

Although I considerate myself a moderate/independent, I think its a bit ridiculous that oil companies cannot drill in United States.

I understand why though DEMS fight domestic drilling, they want to push more alternative fuels, and the only way to do so is by decreasing the amount of oil production. However, this just cripples us along the way.

Downside is this, if we allow the supply of oil to increase too much, then we just continue to delay the inevitable, and avoid any research into alternative fuels.

One condition U.S. Oil Producers need to fufill if they want to drill in the U.S. is this. KEEP THE OIL IN THE US!

[af3ll]

I despise North Dakota. That would be perfect to make it in to an oil field.

[ZX2guy19]

You just don't get it do you...


I really wish you would just shut the fuck up in general in this section of the forum.

You are all for Republicans and such, and their views. I would LOVE to see you go over sea's and fight. But no. What do you do? You work a fucking office job on your ass, not doing anything to better our country. You always have something witty to say about why we should be in Iraq. If you think we should be there so bad, get your lazy ass over there and do it.

You have a kid. So? So do thousands of other men who go over to Iraq, and experience first hand what it is like to be in a war. You just sit there in your air conditioned office and shoot out retarded ass comments about why we SHOULD be there, and then you get off after your 10 or whatever hours and go to your HOUSE where there is no SAND or bullets flying at you, and you go home to your snuggly little bed and sleep good at night with little to worry about.

I'm about up to fucking here with you and your biased ways. Fuck Bush, fuck what he has done to this country, and fuck you for sitting here instigating shit and acting like he is something remotely clever or good.

Ban me for saying this, I don't care. Go on youtube and type in "US Marines" or "US Army" and maybe (probably not though with your thick skull) you will feel remorseful for the people that actually make something of the words they blurt out.

[PHeller]

I despise Kansas. That would be perfect to make it an oil field.

[af3ll]

You're not a NoDak are you? I'm not from Kansas originally. It's just where the Air Force sent me.

[af3ll]

zx2guy, yeah I have noticed a lot of people say things about Iraq who have no chance in going there. I've never been there and will more than likely never go there. Serious has indeed been over to Iraq. I think it's fair that he says the things he says since he actually knows what's going on.

[SeRiousZX2]

Wow, you're either naive or uneducated. Can't figure out which.

Bush-omics? Clever.

We have had a GREAT economy under this President. We overcame the recession he was handed to him from the tech company failures and the previous Administration that didn't touch the economy other than to raise taxes. We overcame 09/11, which had a huge negative effect on the economy. Home ownership reached all-time highs while unemployment hit all-time lows and is still lower than it has been for decades. He cut taxes. I'll agree he should've cut spending also, but Congress has as big of a role or larger in that.

Right now, the only real economic problem is fuel prices and the President has NO effect on that. OPEC is corrupt, demand is up and supplies are down from China and India now using a ton of oil for the first time. Also, Congress continues to keep us dependent on foreign oils because they will not allow us to properly obtain and refine our own oil. We have a reserve no one is talking about in North Dakota. It is the biggest reserve in the world. It's called Bakken. It contains an estimated 413 BILLION barrels. To put things in perspective...the largest reserve in the world right now it the Saudi 55-Billion barrell field. It dwarfs ANWR and EVERY other oil field in the world. Yet, a few weeks ago, Democrats in Congress ONCE AGAIN voted against drilling for our own oil.


Here. Educate yourself:
http://www.startribune.com/business/19577194.html?location_refer=Most+Viewed:Homepage


Open your eyes and stop letting blind political hatred cloud reality for you.


You're either a freakin idiot or a douche too. I can't figure out which.

Overcame a recession?? What the hell are we in now?

The US overcoming 9/11 had nothing to do with Bush. That would have happened no matter who was president.

Home ownership reached all-time highs, yes but home forclosures is also at its all-time high.

Unemployment has NEVER hit an all-time low since Bush has been President. The lowest it has ever hit since he has been President is 4.6%. You obviously need to "educate yourself". And you say lowest in decades??? During Clints terms in 98' it was 4.5%, in 99' it was 4.2%, and in 00' it was 4.0%. All lower than Bush's. So again, go "educate yourself" before you make such a retard comment. Clinton's average during his 8 years was 5.2%. Bush is sitting at 5.225%. Yet it is at an "all-time" low????

There is a reason why a poll found that 98.2% find Bush's presidency a failure. 61% rate him as the worst President in history. He set an "all-time" low of 19% approval rating and is now teetering round 28%. He will probably be leaving office with the lowest approval rating in history.

And if you think one of the richest oil men in America doesn't have some kind of benefit with this situation, then you truely are an idiot. Of course he wants to drill for oil here in the states. He owns most of the oil reserves in Texas!!! He wants to set himself and his family up for the future. There are hidden motive behind him wanting to do it. And if you can't see that, then again, you are an idiot.

[SeRiousZX2]

zx2guy, yeah I have noticed a lot of people say things about Iraq who have no chance in going there. I've never been there and will more than likely never go there. Serious has indeed been over to Iraq. I think it's fair that he says the things he says since he actually knows what's going on.

I have done 3 tours. 1 to Afghanastan and 2 to Iraq. One was a 14 month tour. I have seen things that no one in thier life should ever see!

What were the intentions of us going there? Or what did Bush tell us?

1. To hunt Osama Bin Laden.
Fact: After 6 months of looking, we gave up and didn't care.

2. To rid Iraq of Saddam and his Bathe Party.
Fact: We have accomplished that. Lets move on.

If the 2 countries want to continue to fight thier "religious war" which has been going on for THOUSANDS of years, let them. There is nothing we can do about it. No matter what we do, terrorist will always exist. We have them here in the states. Anyone remember Timothy McVeigh? What about Bloods, Crips, Folks, LSB, Latin Kings, Texas Sons, ect.???

what alot of people don't realize is that we are fighting those that wanted and agreed for us to come in and rid the Bathe party. According to thier religion, "outsiders" aren't allowed to occupy the holy land. They feel that we have over-stayed our welcome. I agree. Honestley, there have been more bombs against thier own than there was without us there. Basically more "peace". The US government doesn't care to invest in looking for Bin Laden and Saddam is gone. Why stay....