TTFOWIA - Turbo'ed Black S/R

[TTFOWIA]

Okay, so as a couple of you know, I started getting parts for my project in febuary. Now, I have almost everything and I started the build last weekend.

In fact, I have had the LSD'd transmission for a month now, and my engine have been at the shop for a couple weeks already.

So here we go...

Basically, I redid the whole engine, LSD'd the transmission, and I am going to install a turbo kit.

My goals for this summer are around 260-280whp.

As I said earlier, I already have the transmission ready.

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And the engine block is gone to the machine shop to get hot tanked, bored, o-ring'ed, etc.

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They are also going to assemble it with all my magnificent parts...

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As well as P&P my head (Stage 2), with oversized valves (both intake and exhaust)... and assemble it as well.

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Hi-Torque cams
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(work in progress)

While I am waiting for the engine (as well as the custom axles from Atelier HP), I started the installation process with the suspension setup. I removed the stock S/R suspension and installed a Tokico (S/R), Dropzone combo. I also took this opportunity to install my newly acquired 22mm Progress RSB.

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I ran the car for 2 weeks (approx.) before last weekend. We finally got the car in the garage and started working.

We removed the engine, and started fixing the rust spots... as well as disassembling the old engine.

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Then we masked everything and started painting.

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That's about it for now...
Comming up:
Sticking the new engine in the car.
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Wait for the axles from Rob (F*ck Atelier HP, they still didn't get me results...)

Turbo with exhaust line
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New brakes
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New Audio
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Seats
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MOAR comming up in the following days/weeks

[MrWeeyums]

Thats a damn nice parts collection.
~Ryan

[zxtuner98]

holy hell.

[joshalabama]

Subscribed...holy crap

[NYRichyone]

I would like to be the first to shake your hand...WELL DONE!!

It is nice to see somebody else spend as much or more than me, you look to have done it much faster though....hope all goes well.

One question though, you took out Eibach, and replaced them with Dropzone?

[joshalabama]

did you want a bigger drop? I mean dropzones arn't bad springs, I love mine.

[TTFOWIA]

I would like to be the first to shake your hand...WELL DONE!!

It is nice to see somebody else spend as much or more than me, you look to have done it much faster though....hope all goes well.

One question though, you took out Eibach, and replaced them with Dropzone?

Yep I did, and the dropzones are much under-rated... those are AMAZING springs...

did you want a bigger drop? I mean dropzones arn't bad springs, I love mine.

I wanted a bigger drop, and I also have 2 friends of mine running them on a Z and they out-perform the eibachs anytime... it's not even the same category.

[TTFOWIA]

Can't wait... tomorrow I'm gonna have some pics of the block as well as the head on the flowbench.

[ZX2 Sleeper]

The spun cat you have, It will pass inspection! It passed the visual inspection test. Just make sure you do the MIL eliminator!

[lamouche98zx2]

i had the same cat on my car both o2 sensor were on the headers the cat was after and i dont have any mil i got a weird ecu!!!

[TTFOWIA]

... it's a real cat ...
and anyways we don't have inspections here...

[Fred]

Dude, you need a Girlfriend bad, so that way she makes you spend on important stuff like ... interior decoration, restaurant, cloth and other stupid obligations ... that way you'll be broken and re-sell me at a cheap price all those nice parts ...

Hey ! My sister is interested !

[TTFOWIA]

whahahaha.. I have had a gf for 5 and a half years :P

[joshalabama]

Who did you get your energy suspension bushings from?, everyone i've tried to purchase from has refunded my money because they are so back ordered.

[TTFOWIA]

I got them from ZXtuner but I think they are not on the site anymore. However, I have 2 of the 4 in extra. (Transmission, front mount. Black)

[joshalabama]

So you have extra the one in front of the radiator? Or the one that goes under the transmission. If you have the one in front of the radiator I would be happy to take it off your hands.

[TTFOWIA]

lawl, those are exactly the ones in front of the rad

[joshalabama]

?

[TTFOWIA]

what? I don't know how much those are worth...

[TTFOWIA]

but anyways... back on topic... pm me if you want them

[joshalabama]

How long are they going to take to assemble your motor?

[straightupmad]

for some reason, a lot of this looks familiar.

[TTFOWIA]

How long are they going to take to assemble your motor?

The motor has been at the shop for a month or something like that... But usually it would have taken 2 weeks. I just told the guy to take his time cuz I didn't have a garage to work in till last week

[inis]

mic all your probe pistons before you bore the block, I had issues with mine all be a few thousands off from each other. Probe said they had a few batches that went out like that and said they would remake them but would't pay for the coatings, oh ya and it was a 4 month wait for them.

Also measure your eagle rods, the length. Eagle made some wrong. If your boosting, check your rings that came with the probes, mine we'r cast and I had to order something else.

Get your fidanza flywheel balanced while mounted to the crank, mine was off alot. Balancer said fidanza is know for that, matter of fact he said most are like that.

[TTFOWIA]

the block is bored already. Hope it'll be fine.

as for the rods, I'll measure them... what if they are wrong? need an other set?

Im not using the rings that came with the pistons... ordered something else already

my engine will be fully balanced with the flywheel, crank gear and UDP.

[inis]

ya if the rods are the wrong length, you'll need to contact eagle and start some shit up. What rings did you order? I ordered total seal, but the 2nd ring is the seal ring for the zetec set, I had to "special" order them to get the top ring the total seal ring.

[TTFOWIA]

I don't know what the rings are... Ill let you know on thursday... The guy told me he orders those for mazdaspeed engines

[TTFOWIA]

ok so I saw the guy today, I'm having a coupe issues with the rods/pistons. the piston's pins are too small (1mm) for the rods...

so we're gonna have to get custom "sleeves" to make it fit...

Also, the rings are indeed mazdaspeed's 2.3L turbo engine rings.

edit: forgot pics from june 5th.

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[inis]

better double check those rings, from what I read the rings are different sizes then ours.

whats wrong with the wrist pins? the hole on the rods? I'd contact eagle or whomever before rigging it.

[TTFOWIA]

I'll let my shop handle it... they damn know what they are doing. and seems the rings are the right size, cuz it fits :P

yeah the rod holes are 1mm too big

[Sir William]

lookin good bro!!

[TTFOWIA]

moar pics comming up... but what I have so far is unfinished business (pics of unfinished head, bloc...) so I won't post them.

[TTFOWIA]

can't wait for the axles and the whole engine to be done... I'll be able to run that soon-to-be-a-fuckin-beast till the turbo is installed :D

[gt35r zx2]

so sweat , I wish I had more money so I could of had both the z and the cobra , very nice parts , thats a lot of money

[TTFOWIA]

thx. yes it is :P

[TTFOWIA]

Okay, so I will get my engine on friday... I went to the shop today and they solved the rod issue so everything is ready to be assembled. They are also installing the oil return bong on the oilpan.

I will post pics tonight.

I also had the flowchart for my P&P'd head so I will post the numbers here.
(JohnP if you read this, could you please tell me if the numbers are good? thx)

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8425/headflowchartuf1.png

(Mine is in blue)
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[ZX2Fast]

You picked the worse rod/piston combo for quality. I think if I ever manage to build my engine the way I want it, I'm going with Crower.

[TTFOWIA]

Why would it be worst... I know crower is the best, but for the price, my guess it probe/eagle are very good.

[inis]

I have probe/eagle also.

Those flow numbers are ok, but everyones flow numbers are diff from the next. I wouldn't worry about it.

[krux]

Good luck bro. Hopefully everything goes good for you. Looks like you got a good start.

[TTFOWIA]

ho and btw, the flow numbers were obtained with tests @ 10" and not 28".

[JohnP]

Thats the reason there so low , lower then the Ford Racing head .Standard is 28" , running at low flow doesn't show how the head will work at hi-rpm Mine run 240 Intake , 200 Exhaust @28" . Some heads run 280+ Intake , 230+ Exhaust . Hi-flow doesn't mean it's a good head , depends on the size and shape of things and how it runs at hi-rpm .

Got pics of the ports and bowls .

[TTFOWIA]

ok... yeah I have some pics I will post them tonight. I won't be able to get the numbers at 28 though...

[TTFOWIA]

btw, I updated my charts with the Ford Racing numbers...

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mine has about the same numbers as the FR. don't know if it's good, but the head surely looks AMAZINGLY done. :D

[TTFOWIA]

okay... so here are the images from today!

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[blue_2001]

seems like u have a lot of time and effort into this. i jus everything performs as good as it looks

[ZX2Fast]

Why would it be worst... I know crower is the best, but for the price, my guess it probe/eagle are very good.

Because of all the problems they have. It is ridiculous how poorly manufactured these things are. I don't think quality control even exist at this place.

[TTFOWIA]

^^ you have proof of that? the guy at the machine shop told me they will easily resist 350whp

[inis]

^^ you have proof of that? the guy at the machine shop told me they will easily resist 350whp

I did have problems with my probe pistons, they we're all different sizes. We just bored/honed every cylinder per piston.

Probe had no excuses, matter of fact they offered to replace them but for a wait and they wouldn't coat them.

[TTFOWIA]

^^ depending on the difference, it may be normal. I asked the question at my machine shop and they told me it's always the case. you NEED to bore each cylinder according to each piston because of the tolerances... the only problem I had was the hole in the rod was too big for the pin. They had to make a custom "spacer"... you can see what I mean on this pic.

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[decay]

^^ depending on the difference, it may be normal. I asked the question at my machine shop and they told me it's always the case. you NEED to bore each cylinder according to each piston because of the tolerances... the only problem I had was the hole in the rod was too big for the pin. They had to make a custom "spacer"... you can see what I mean on this pic.

http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.06.18-engine/DSCN1582-800.jpg

You def need to bore and stroke per piston. On another note...That spacer is a good idea. I've run into this problem and we ended up re-sizing the pin. Sleeving the rod would have probably been more efficent and it looks like brass? As long as the lubrication port matches up it should be sweet.

[TTFOWIA]

^^ yes it is brass... the guy that did it is specialized in racing machining. so he definitely knows what he's doing. We had the option to go with a resized pin but it was WAYYY more expensive. you should've gone with the spacer option too :P

[decay]

^^ yes it is brass... the guy that did it is specialized in racing machining. so he definitely knows what he's doing. We had the option to go with a resized pin but it was WAYYY more expensive. you should've gone with the spacer option too :P

At the time we were thinking that we were going to hit 500HP in a 22psi boosted honda so we really didn't want to dick with it; it was surely more expensive! We already blew the bottom out of one running 18 psi. In the end we're at 383HP and 327ft-lb at 18 psi; probably would have been fine with the brass sleeve.

Do you have all new valve guides too? We freed up 7HP last time we re-worked the head. I was surprised that cutting the valve seats and dropping in new guides would make such a difference.

[TTFOWIA]

yeah, new valve guides, oversized ss (ferrea) valves on both intake and exhaust sides...

Using mazdaspeed 2.3L rings for the pistons instead of the ones that came with the probe pistons

[TTFOWIA]

I'm also using ecotec valve seals (IIRC) cuz the stock didnt fit with the new guides and valves and the ones that came with the kit were not good for my application.

Honda retainers for the SS valves cuz they are 5.5mm instead of 6mm.

[JohnP]

Pic's of the head work look pretty good for a medium P-P . Ford Racing head flows 220 on the Intake / 195 Exhaust .The stock head flows 187 Intake / 135 Exhaust .

[TTFOWIA]

good :D

it's stage II

thx johnP

[ZX2Fast]

JP had a lot of issues with the Eagle rods as well. One had bad threads and the rod cap came off while the engine was running. Eagle only offered to replace that rod and didn't care about the damage caused to the rest of the engine.

[TTFOWIA]

bad batch?

[JohnP]

^^ yes it is brass... the guy that did it is specialized in racing machining. so he definitely knows what he's doing. We had the option to go with a resized pin but it was WAYYY more expensive. you should've gone with the spacer option too :P

The Bushing is made of Bronze , it's an alloy thats a lot harder then Brass . They press in a new bushing ,then bore and hone it to size for the pin .

[JohnP]

bad batch?

One of the rods came with the bolts installed and stretched to failure . Eagle sent new bolts , thats the rod that came apart .

[JohnP]

Make sure the head ports match the shape of the manifold and the head ports are larger then the manifold ports . The Ford Racing manifolds , new and old don't match the head ports .

[TTFOWIA]

ok, well I don't have the FRIM. :P it'll be the stock one for this year.

[JohnP]

A stock manifold correctly ported running a 65MM TB will give you 10-15 HP boosted . The stock manifold ports are approx. 27MM X 44MM , lots of flash on the edges . A full ported manifold will have ports 31MM X 48MM with a 66MM TB bore , ported head will be 32MM X 49MM . Check the size of the intake ports on your ported head , stock ports are approx.27MM X 45MM . Manifold ports should always be smaller then the head ports , this helps keep down reversion , if not it'll cause a restriction .

The reason I use approx. on stock ports is the fact that they are subject to flash on the edges of injection molded parts and cast parts . The runners are rough with casting seams , ridges and mold parting lines .

[inis]

dont forget he's boosting. Dont port that plastic to much.

[JohnP]

Works fine IF it's done right .

[TTFOWIA]

I won't port it at all. I'll run it as is till I get the FRIM next year.

[daveyfx]

You'll blow the welds on your intake manifold.














You know that was coming.

[JohnP]

You'll blow the welds on your intake manifold.














You know that was coming.

What welds, what manifold ?????

[inis]

What welds, what manifold ?????

he's talking fast and furious talk. You know like when the passenger floor blows out from NOSSSS

[JohnP]

Gotcha , got all three movies , probably should watch them again .

[TTFOWIA]

^^ x2... I didnt know what he was talking about either lol...

on a side note, here are some pics.

New mags INSTALLED :D (don't mind the HUGE gap in the front, there's no engine in the car :P)
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DONE painting all the engine compartment parts.
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[TTFOWIA]

Hopefully, I'll get my engine today or tomorrow. Putting it in during the weekend :D Pics coming up soon

[ImCrazy]

lookin good man.

[Beodude123]

Dude, that's a freaking impressive parts list. Very nice, can't wait to see it done!

[TTFOWIA]

thx. can't wait either... lol

[TTFOWIA]

Supposed to get the engine TODAY!

I'm pissed, looks like they are having shipping issues again. We're waiting for keepers to finish the build.

[TTFOWIA]

crap... troubles with UPS. didnt get the engine friday. I will have it as soon as the order comes in.

[TTFOWIA]

added pics from june 5th on page 2. Forgot to post them after I went to the shop.

[TTFOWIA]

UPDATE!

New seats installed (traded the EP3 seats for the DC5s)

http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.08%20-%20Recaros/DSCN1622-800.jpg
http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.08%20-%20Recaros/DSCN1625-800.jpg

and FINALLY got the custom Axles.
http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.09%20-%20Custom%20Axles/DSCN1626-800.jpg

[joshalabama]

Those seats are gorgeous!

[inis]

:cool:axles look like mine

[TTFOWIA]

UPDATE!!!

Finally got the engine. Started to put it back together yesterday. I will take some pics today cuz I didn't have my camera yesterday. Those pics are from saturday.

This thing will be in the car and firing up during the week.

http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.19-engine/DSCN1632-800.jpg

http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.19-engine/DSCN1633-800.jpg

http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.19-engine/DSCN1634-800.jpg

http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.19-engine/DSCN1635-800.jpg

http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.19-engine/DSCN1636-800.jpg

http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.19-engine/DSCN1637-800.jpg

http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.19-engine/DSCN1638-800.jpg

http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.19-engine/DSCN1639-800.jpg

http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.19-engine/DSCN1640-800.jpg

http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.19-engine/DSCN1641-800.jpg

[joshalabama]

Beautiful.

[ZX2guy19]

Lookin fresh man.

[TTFOWIA]

I'm leaving in 15mins, new pics tonight :D

[Escort Pimp]

I agree with ZX2Fast. Thats alot of money surrounding shitty pistons and rods.

[TTFOWIA]

Only time will tell, but I asked around and it seems lots of ppl are underestimating them.
I'm confident they will hold up pretty good.

I'll post more pics tomorrow, we are almost done reassembling everything then we will drop that bitch in the engine bay. :D

[capitalcrew]

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


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[zx2reme]

Nice. Our motors are virtually twins appearance wise. Can't wait to see how it runs for you.

[TTFOWIA]

new pics from yesterday. I need to bolt the tranny and it's in.

http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.21-engine/DSCN1643-800.jpg
http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.21-engine/DSCN1644-800.jpg
http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.21-engine/DSCN1645-800.jpg
http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.21-engine/DSCN1646-800.jpg
http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.21-engine/DSCN1650-800.jpg
http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.21-engine/DSCN1653-800.jpg
http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.21-engine/DSCN1654-800.jpg
http://srlounge.ath.cx:81/images/zx2/sr/2008.07.21-engine/DSCN1655-800.jpg

[ZX2guy19]

Powdercoated or high temp paint? Spec 3 clutch? Looks..great man. The person that said he doesn't like your rod and piston set up (not pimp) is just mad because he can't afford to build his motor, so let it blow by.

Can't wait to see this monster!!!

[TTFOWIA]

high temp paint for now... yeah, stage 3.

I will post more pics tomorrow, the tranny is on and we're ready to install the engine in the car.

[ZX2guy19]

What did you pay for the stage 3? I'm looking for the best deal, but coming up short like always.

[TTFOWIA]

got it from CTA motorsports.

[Escort Pimp]

The person that said he doesn't like your rod and piston set up (not pimp) is just mad because he can't afford to build his motor, so let it blow by.


Not really. Probe Pistons are known to fail and several have had problems with Eagle rods. Too late now though

[ZX2guy19]

Would you rather have a stock motor like fast or at least a semi built motor like TT. I choose TT

[corby_baby]

Would you rather have a stock motor like fast or at least a semi built motor like TT. I choose TT

uhh ohh lol :run:

[TTFOWIA]

ok, now tell me who used the probe pistons and had issues... never heard of anything bad about them. and the brand itself is good. as for the eagle rods, the guy at the shop told me eagle had a bad batch of zetec rods at the beginning of production. probably why you heard a lot of ppl saying it was crap.

whatever... we'll see. If I blow a piston or a rod, I'll just change them for J.E. and Crower.

[Escort Pimp]

Would you rather have a stock motor like fast or at least a semi built motor like TT. I choose TT
I'd go with the stock engine. Both can blow up, I'd rather it be a $200 engine than a $2000 one.

If you haven't heard anything bad about Probe, you didn't search hard enough.

[TTFOWIA]

ho well, installed the engine and everything... started just fine, ran for like 25min, did the oil change, did a run around the block, reinstalled everything on the car (bumper, hood, etc.) and it blew something on my way home. My guess is crank bearings... probably someone didn't do their job well. I will call tomorrow morning and give a LOT, a SHIT LOT of bullshit to the shop.

[ZX2guy19]

Are you fucking serious? Dude, that really sucks...did you have the turbo installed or no?

Good luck man, sorry to hear.

[TTFOWIA]

no, no turbo. I was on the break in period of the engine. not even 10km on the cluster. no rev higher then 3k rpm.

[ZX2guy19]

Christ man...I'm like devistated to hear that lol. Good luck!

[TTFOWIA]

thx

[texas_04]

up date on the motor issue?

[TTFOWIA]

getting some more news tomorrow or tuesday. he picked up the engine on friday.

[texas_04]

and what did he say when you called him?

[TTFOWIA]

trust bearings... he also says it might be the flywheel/clutch that are putting to much pressure on the crank... I just don't get it tho... it's impossible isn't it? the only way it could do that would be if the flywheel was thicker? is it?

[ilarson007]

Wow.... cough cough... refund! cough cough...

[TTFOWIA]

I'll try posting pics tonight... freakin WEIRD wear on the flywhell, clutch and pressureplate :S

the crank bearings are to change. we still don't know what happened...

[inis]

what bearings, clearance, and what did he torq the mains too?

[TTFOWIA]

we found the problem... In fact, it was kind of my fault. Kinda dumb too... Well, I didn't know so...

The thing is, I didn't change the termostat... and it had a failure, the engine overheated (without the gauge telling me)

1 of the pistons stuck to the block and it made it stall. When I restarted the car it unstuck, but the piston is permanently damaged. I'll take pics when I can. I need to change the faulty piston but the block seems fine... as far as we know now.

[inis]

that didn't take you long.

[ZX2guy19]

Why would not changing the thermostat cause that much problems right away? Was it faulty when it was removed from that car?

[lamouche98zx2]

anyway we are using a fail safe thermostat..... it's supposed to break open.....

[2000ZxT]

ok, now tell me who used the probe pistons and had issues... never heard of anything bad about them. and the brand itself is good. as for the eagle rods, the guy at the shop told me eagle had a bad batch of zetec rods at the beginning of production. probably why you heard a lot of ppl saying it was crap.

whatever... we'll see. If I blow a piston or a rod, I'll just change them for J.E. and Crower.

There has been Probe pistons failure threads on EVERY zetec based website.
Perhaps not teamzx2 yet, because so few people build their engines, but it looks like we our well on our way there.

Sorry to hear about your trouble.

[2000ZxT]

I'd go with the stock engine. Both can blow up, I'd rather it be a $200 engine than a $2000 one.

If you haven't heard anything bad about Probe, you didn't search hard enough.

This is the 100% truth. I am sorry.

Doublepost.

*Edit*
To be honest I don't think you even searched, cause they are all over.

[TTFOWIA]

thing is, it's not the pistons that caused the problem. it's the overheating. the thermostat was fine when I removed it, but it froze CLOSED before I put it back in. we removed it recently after the problems and found out it was broken...

anyways, I won't believe those bs about probe pistons... My machine shop guy told me he built some cobra mustang up to 700hp (s/c) with probe pistons that are made just like mine...

If I can't get 1 piston separately from probe tho, I will get a J.E. set, just because I wanted J.E. in the first place but changed my mind because of money reasons...

[2000ZxT]

No doubt they have had good product. But the only Zetec Probe pistons I haven't heard of a problem with basically was Jon's Fastrax's custom Probe pistons.

To be honest. The guy with the S/C Cobra is stupid because his stock shortblock is known to hit 1000whp.

You should be able to get a piston from Probe. If they don't want to just be persistent.

Contour Zetec
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k17/Dslax/Random/SSPX0263.jpg

Focus Zetec
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/OrangeSVT03/anotherpiston004.jpg

[TTFOWIA]

I told you, we can't judge those only with some pics like that... if those 2 cars weren't tuned at all, then it's perfectly normal.

[2000ZxT]

Agreed but I'm just showing you. Food for thought you know.

They were both tuned. The first picture I'm not suprised it blew up, the second picture I really am because he seemed to do everything right.

I'm personally using Diamond pistons, they are more pricey but they have an awesome name in high hp drag cars.

[inis]

I'll tell you right now you wont be able to get 1 piston from probe. Probe pistons for the zetec we're custom ordered by focus central 6 yrs ago. I had to get rings , and wrist pin locks for mine. I had a hell of a time doing that. We ended up ordering custom rings somewhere else.

Both pictures of the probe pistons we're because of tuning issues. The first one is because lack of fuel, the 2nd one is from heat/lean tune.

Running a returnless fuel system on these "made to be" high hp engines is just stupid.

P.S. start another thread, we can all argue all day long about probe pistons.

[TTFOWIA]

whatever, I called probe and I CAN get single pistons from them. Only thing is they are backordered for a month, I will order J.E Pistons. No time to waste. I'll probably get a single piston later and sell the 4 or them.

[inis]

whatever, I called probe and I CAN get single pistons from them. Only thing is they are backordered for a month, I will order J.E Pistons. No time to waste. I'll probably get a single piston later and sell the 4 or them.

who did you speak too? I spoke to 3 different ppl, the last person being I believe eric cady . I believe he's extension 114 or something like that. He owes me a favor... try to get ahold of him or I can email him for you. I assume these are 9:1 , what size do you need?

I was told by him that if I wanted one, it could be done but it would be a custom piston since they no longer make the piston that focus central ordered years ago.

[TTFOWIA]

they are not 8.1s
I got mine from C-F-M...

and it's the guy from C-F-M that gave me the info, I didnt contact them directly. sorry if I was unclear :P

[inis]

CFM bought out all of Focus Centrals stock when they went under. Thats how they got ahold of them. All pistons we're made 9:1 , sorry I posted 8:1 got my keys mixed up.

[ZX2guy19]

I got my JE pistons for $513 shipped, just to let you know. I'll link you if you're interested.

[TTFOWIA]

yeah, I would appreciate it. Btw inis, when I ordered from CFM, I had to wait 2 weeks cuz they were backordered, are you sure it was stuff from focus centrail?

[inis]

yeah, I would appreciate it. Btw inis, when I ordered from CFM, I had to wait 2 weeks cuz they were backordered, are you sure it was stuff from focus centrail?

100% positive. If they told you they we're back ordered they're lieing. Call probe and ask for zetec pistons they'll laugh at you and say we dont carry them. Then you can give them a id stock # and they can look back at old archives and figure out they did a custom order for focus central. Supposely they made 2-3 runs for them. All piston rings we're ordered by focus central from another company so they never supplied them with any with the pistons. I know this because I was trying to figure out of my piston rings we're cast or not. Mine we're but not all of them we're some had total seal rings sent with them.

[TTFOWIA]

hmm... how would you explain then this message

William / C-F-M.com
to me

Aug 8 (2 days ago)


Hi ,

Sorry, we do not have any individual pistons. I called up and talked to Probe. They said they do offer the pistons individually, but they are on back order until the end of the month. A One piston is $106.29 and a ring set from them is $57.82 . Only we have in-stock is a complete set of pistons with toalseal rings.

[inis]

they would be custom ordering a piston for you basicly. And a ring set which probe can supply but depending on the date your piston is manufactored ... depends which rings it had (although I thought you went with something else anyways?)

Call and ask for Eric like I stated before, he's a straight shooter. I can send a email to him if you want.

[TTFOWIA]

well, I think I'm just gonna order a set of J.E.

much less complicated especially if I need to order single copies in the future.

[ZX2guy19]

http://www.howellautomotive.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1191

$513 shipped man. Good deal.

[straightupmad]

No Limit Motorsport has them for $427 shipped. Just call to make sure they have some in stock. Otherwise, it could take a while to get them.

[ZX2guy19]

Fuck...seriously? LOL

[straightupmad]

yeah

http://www.nolimitmotorsport.com/prod/JE185915

[TTFOWIA]

FAWK. ordered from C-F-M... but I bargained and got them for 600 shipped (canada shipping is freakin expensive. so basically they were 500 + shipping)

whatever, they did ship today, and it's gonna be here in 5 days.

[TTFOWIA]

btw, now I'm just hoping HARD the sleeves on the rods are gonna be fine. If the wrist pins for the J.E's are bigger, I'm gonna need to remove the sleeves. It's like throwing 300$ by the window. anyways... if I need to remove the sleeves, I will just get an other set of eagle rods (or maybe crower...) and then sell the sleeved eagles with the probe pistons

[TTFOWIA]

btw, I just noticed the kit from NoLimitMS does NOT include rings... that's why it's so cheap.

[ZX2guy19]

Yup, I noticed that too. So it is about $10 cheaper but oh well.

[TTFOWIA]

now I fuckin need crower rods... anyone?

[ZX2guy19]

Why Crower? That sucks man, I'll help you search.

[TTFOWIA]

cuz the eagles were resleeved to fit with the probe pistons... getting them resleeved again for the stock size (which fits JE) will cost me an other 300. I'd prefer get a new set (crower, or eagle) and then sell my eagle set with the probe pistons as a set

[ZX2guy19]

http://www.importperformanceparts.net/imports/crowerrods_ford.html

Cheapest place I found, $692.

[TTFOWIA]

701 at crower... I'd prefer getting them directly for 9$ more. lol

[inis]

all wrist pins are the same 787, your eagles will work fine.

[TTFOWIA]

Inis, I don't remember the thread but we kind of discussed the torque specs for the mains... what should they be? also, clearances and everything I should know.

I discussed with my mechanic tonight and he told me that it was for sure a bad engine job that caused the issues and not the clutch. (even if the clutch had excessive and inconsistent wear issues)

[inis]

page 8, i asked.

[TTFOWIA]

yeah that's it... What sould the specs be? I don't have the specs he used.

[lamouche98zx2]

the shop try to put the fault on you to not be blame for the problem. they told yo the thermostat did stuck closed .... 90% of all the thermostat you can fit on the zetec were fail safe....so kept blaming the shop for the shitty job they done and let them pay for the damage.

[doyoucompute]

Updates?

[TTFOWIA]

engine started today for the 2nd time... timing is off, so I have to redo it (it's the guy that did it :\)

also, I think I might have a transmission problem... i'll update sunday

[TTFOWIA]

ok I got some news again...

timing is fixed, engine running fine (after we also found out there was a vacuum leak)
the vacuum leak was due to a broken plug in the IM... you know on the rear driver side of the IM, there is a plugged hole, well the plug was broken. Luckily, we saw it before the plastic parts went in the engine.

However, I might have found the REAL issue that caused ALL of my issues since the beginning.

Seems like it wasnt the clutch/flywheel assembly that was putting pressure on my crank... cuz now with the Bully, which is the SAME THING as the stock (pp casing), it is STILL putting pressure on the crank (crank end play = 0 with the transmission on)

So now we think the transmission shaft might be responsible for the pressure on the crank... I have NO IDEA HOW it could be possible, but it does.

Any ideas guys?


Ho and yeah... the axles are TOO LONG this time. I'm fuckin pissed.

[inis]

did you put the stock shims between the tranny and block when mounting the the tranaxle the motor?

[TTFOWIA]

of course :P

[ZX2guy19]

updates?