Remote Turbo

[dragon2200]

Not much attention in the post your Turbo setup so I figured I would post where everyone might look.

These have been used on a couple of Contours on the FCO forums I believe one was used on the Zetec and another on the SVT and they have great reviews on other sites


http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5149/img2176ca1.jpg
Photo of the STS remote-mounted twin turbo system on a C6 Corvette.
Mounted in place of the stock mufflers, our turbo system is custom engineered to spool up as fast as a front-mount turbo system, but eliminates all of the installation and excess heat issues.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7103/tbssturboviewwebpl1.jpg



http://www.ststurbo.com/universal_system

[potatoman]

omg. hawt.

[chasingsafety]

it has it's advantages and dis-advantages. Obviously saves space, and heat dissapation is much better, however you have longer spool time (not by much tho) and running the oil lines to and from the rear can be a PITA. I think over-all it's a decent setup tho. It really depends on the application I geuss.

[potatoman]

the beauty of this system would be that u could still use the header of choice and u wouldnt have to worry as much about getting a downpipe.

just alot of charge pipe and places for possible leaks to occur. hrmmmm. idk which would be better. this one looks so much hotter tho.

[dragon2200]

That's the nice thing it has rave reviews from all the magazines and car shows it just bolts in place of a muffler and there is no turbo lag. Check out the videos on the site.

[PHeller]

yikes, on a little 4-banger, the spool would be horrendous. You'd need a fairly small turbo, and then your sacrificing performance.

We don't have heat issues, nor do we have space constraints.

[dragon2200]

So I contaceted STS and this is the reply I got

Thank you for contacting Squires Turbo Systems, the world leader in remote-mount turbo technology. We offer a turbo solution for ANY vehicle. Our patented systems offer you more horsepower per pound of boost than anyone in the industry!



One of our experienced and knowledgeable Regional Sales Managers will be contacting you to answer any questions you may have. If you would like to speak to someone sooner, please do not respond to this email. Instead, please feel free to call our Sales Department directly at 866-938-8726 (866-WE-TURBO), and they will be more than happy to assist you.



Remote mount turbo systems have been recognized around the world as the most innovative technology available for dramatically increasing the horsepower of any vehicle. This patented technology was recognized with the GM Design Award for "Best High Performance Product" and is also now being taught in many accredited automotive technology schools around the country.



The installation of our turbo systems is similar to the installation of a cat-back exhaust system. The turbo system components hang where the factory exhaust system normally hangs, and even utilizes the same factory mounting points. The photo below shows twin turbos hanging in the rear of a corvette in place of the factory exhaust system

I'll post the followup conversation when they contact me.

[2000ZxT]

A guy near me has done this with his Focus.

I will be racing him whenever he is done.

[Escort Pimp]

Useless on a 4 cylinder. A Focus guy had one and he it didn't spool til 5k. Sweet.

[dragon2200]

So far from the videos I've seen on youtube and other forums the turbo has absolutely no lag and spools almost instantly due to the design which keeps the turbo spooled.

(MHO) it has to be pretty good considering people who run 9 second cars wouldn't touch it if it was bad and there have been some bad installs but mostly from the reviews I read, it was mainly the shops fault that set the system up.

[Beodude123]

I bet the Focus dude picked a turbo that was too big.

As far as turbos go, you have pretty much everything working against you in the back. The exhaust has lost much of its heat (energy), and instead of separate pulses, it's just one long breath of air. A smaller turbo is going to help relieve this problem, but I would say it's a bit more of a crutch than anything else.

It's no different than a normal turbo application. You mismatch a turbo, and the engine is going to hate you for it.

[Escort Pimp]

So far from the videos I've seen on youtube and other forums the turbo has absolutely no lag and spools almost instantly due to the design which keeps the turbo spooled.

On a 4 cylinder or a v8?

[jeffescortlx]

We don't have heat issues, nor do we have space constraints.

Well said right there.
RMT is just a last resort for people that dont have the room for a traditional manifold/turbo close to the head.


if you notice, all the people that are in love with RMT, either are FI noOB's, work for STS or have the system there self.

[dragon2200]

Watch the videos not really anything I can say to back it up. Smallest motor I've seen so far is a 2.8l v6 as far as seeing one in person I'm probably goona make a trip down to thye local authorized dealer/installer.

Anything is possible so why not a remote turbo system, honestly I haven't driven a car with it and chances are neither have you so neither one of us can knock it until we try it, or see it first hand.

[Escort Pimp]

chances are neither have you so neither one of us can knock it until we try it, or see it first hand.

I don't have to look at it to tell you it's not an optimal turbo set up.

[jeffescortlx]

Anything is possible so why not a remote turbo system...
Q: Where does the turbo get it's power from?
A: Thermo energy (and the exspantion of the hot air leaving the exshaust valve and entering the mani.)


Q: Where is there more heat; (A) At the head or (B) at the tale pipe.
A: A.

[dragon2200]

FI noobs? Wow 10 sec cars really make someone a FI noob, Since when? If it's really as inefficient as you say then how can these cars make these times, they sure couldn't do it without boost unless you dump extreme amounts of money under the hood, not to mention an under hood turbo wouldn't be able to do much better if at all.

To come to the point I'm not an engineer and neither are you if we were we wouldn't be driving Zx2's. The only true way you could know which is better is to take the same exact vehicle and set each one up with both turbo setups.

Sts seems to be very popular with the corvette and truck crowd.

Sts systems

9.88 Sec quarter with RMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0pA2Pu0Rdo

10.89 with RMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm8PznzjngE

Sts turbo Silverado burning out from a 30mph roll, turbo spools as soon as he hits the gas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON2ELT1EMl4

Non StS systems

Twin turbo Vette 10.76 Quarter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gu1XDGSbe8

Twin turbo Vette 11.24 Quarter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZmITFYiacg

Lingenfelter twin turbo Corvette 9.22 sec 1/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LkIoCEcPCQ





Well said right there.
RMT is just a last resort for people that dont have the room for a traditional manifold/turbo close to the head.


if you notice, all the people that are in love with RMT, either are FI noOB's, work for STS or have the system there self.

[dragon2200]

In order to achieve this boost, the turbocharger uses the exhaust flow from the engine to spin a turbine, which in turn spins an air pump. The turbine in the turbocharger spins at speeds of up to 150,000 rotations per minute (rpm) -- that's about 30 times faster than most car engines can go. And since it is hooked up to the exhaust, the temperatures in the turbine are also very high.

No where in that statement does it say the air has to be hot to make a turbo work, the air is only hot by default because it's coming out of the exhaust, the colder the air the the more combustible it is.

[Escort Pimp]

In order to achieve this boost, the turbocharger uses the exhaust flow from the engine to spin a turbine, which in turn spins an air pump. The turbine in the turbocharger spins at speeds of up to 150,000 rotations per minute (rpm) -- that's about 30 times faster than most car engines can go. And since it is hooked up to the exhaust, the temperatures in the turbine are also very high.

No where in that statement does it say the air has to be hot to make a turbo work, the air is only hot by default because it's coming out of the exhaust, the colder the air the the more combustible it is.
I'm gonna put this nicely as possible.

Shut the fuck up you idiot. You know nothing, the only thing you know is what you copy and paste. I can copy and paste something that says an electric supercharger is the best mod ever for any car. Does that make it true?

Yes an STS does add power but its not as efficient as a traditional turbo set up. Now stop talking.

[dragon2200]

Wow someone needs to grow up, and yes I copied and pasted that top piece to make a point no where that I have looked on google says anything about heat making a turbo work, hmmm post me a link that says heat makes a turbo work. I've looked at about 30+ websites before making that statement. The best you can come back with is

I'm gonna put this nicely as possible.

Shut the fuck up you idiot. You know nothing, the only thing you know is what you copy and paste. I can copy and paste something that says an electric supercharger is the best mod ever for any car. Does that make it true?

[Escort Pimp]

Wow someone needs to grow up, and yes I copied and pasted that top piece to make a point no where that I have looked on google says anything about heat making a turbo work, hmmm post me a link that says heat makes a turbo work. I've looked at about 30+ websites before making that statement. The best you can come back with is


I'll do one better. Instead of using info that is spoon fed from a shop, I'll use science to prove my point. Check out the second paragraph. http://www.powermasters.com/heat_energy.html

Heat = more energy. More energy = faster spool.

Do you have any experience in turbocharging outside of what you find on google? Oh wait, I already know the answer to that one. Your best bet is to walk away from the argument and keep what dignity you have before you argue yourself into a deeper hole.

[jeffescortlx]

In order to achieve this boost, the turbocharger uses the exhaust flow from the engine to spin a turbine, which in turn spins an air pump. The turbine in the turbocharger spins at speeds of up to 150,000 rotations per minute (rpm) -- that's about 30 times faster than most car engines can go. And since it is hooked up to the exhaust, the temperatures in the turbine are also very high...

Did you copy that right from STS? :sheep:

[dragon2200]

The very last statement on that page "Remember, HEAT is what makes your racecar go!" Yes that is true otherwise a combustion engine wouldn't work, but where on that page does it say makes a turbo work? Another problem is if only heat creates energy why would you have to cool your intake pipe with an intercooler first? Because cold air = higher density, higher density + more fuel = more energy.

One more question if the hot air powering the turbos really matters then how come the three fastest Gto's in the country are running RMT

To clear things up no I don't know anything about turbos except for what I have researched on the net! The net has the richest resource of raw information for education next to the library so don't even tell me that all the info is bs because you might as well say the info on the site is bs.

So far this has been the least helpful forum I have ever been on I have learned next to nothing compared to my other forums, there are a few very helpful people here, you not being one of them you are by far the most immature I have met. As for information from that web page how do you know it's true. "I can copy and paste something that says an electric supercharger is the best mod ever for any car. Does that make it true?"

As for me not knowing anything you can live in your happy little world and believe what you want.

This topic was posted for informational purposes not argumentitive purposes. Have A good day :D

[dragon2200]

Nope I copied it from http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm/printable

Did you copy that right from STS? :sheep:

[Beodude123]

The very last statement on that page "Remember, HEAT is what makes your racecar go!" Yes that is true otherwise a combustion engine wouldn't work, but where on that page does it say makes a turbo work? Another problem is if only heat creates energy why would you have to cool your intake pipe with an intercooler first? Because cold air = higher density, higher density + more fuel = more energy.

One more question if the hot air powering the turbos really matters then how come the three fastest Gto's in the country are running RMT

To clear things up no I don't know anything about turbos except for what I have researched on the net! The net has the richest resource of raw information for education next to the library so don't even tell me that all the info is bs because you might as well say the info on the site is bs.

So far this has been the least helpful forum I have ever been on I have learned next to nothing compared to my other forums, there are a few very helpful people here, you not being one of them you are by far the most immature I have met. As for information from that web page how do you know it's true. "I can copy and paste something that says an electric supercharger is the best mod ever for any car. Does that make it true?"

As for me not knowing anything you can live in your happy little world and believe what you want.

This topic was posted for informational purposes not argumentitive purposes. Have A good day :D


Heat is energy dude, plain and simple. You don't want cold exhaust for a turbo. Sure, the internet is full of great info, but it's full of a bunch of baloney too.

I'll look for you, and find a good source for good info. Read up on turbos on Wikipedia. The info there is usually pretty good, and I find this pretty accurate:


"They convert some of the otherwise wasted heat energy of the piston engine's exhaust into useful work, in this case driving the compressor to increase the amount of air forced into the engine. In fact, the temperature of the exhaust gases drops significantly as it passes through the turbine of a turbocharger. That temperature drop (which can be several hundred degrees in some applications) results from the heat energy in the exhaust gas that is converted into useful work."

It takes heat (energy) to do work. The more heat you have, essentially the more work you can do.

[potatoman]

regardless of the loss of power from absence of heat...

did anyone think about how much freakin charge piping that is??? it would have to be the lengthe of the car! and then with an intercooler even more.
i might be a turbo noob but would that not equal extra lag?

[jeffescortlx]

Another problem is if only heat creates energy why would you have to cool your intake pipe with an intercooler first? Because cold air = higher density, higher density + more fuel = more energy.

The piston get's it's energy from combustion. The greater the density of air, the more fuel that can be added, the greater the combustion.
The turbo is not powerd by combustion, it's powered by the wasted heat energy from the combustion.
Please do some more research. The more you post, the more noobish you make your self look.

[dragon2200]

A lot of people were talking about the extra chage pipe essentially taking place of the intercooler, therefore one really isn't needed. Thanx for the info Beodude, I realize heat is energy, in theory if you have enough high density cool air it can work as well if not better. I'm just not exactly sure how the sts system works but it does.

On a V8 it works stellar from what I have seen and they are working on a system for an Integra, so I guess when that system comes out we'll know how well it works for the I4.

[dragon2200]

On a side note we are talking about a turbo which is basically a high priced air compressor if you have enough of either hot air or cold air it can run just as well, as long as it has enough pressure from either to spin the turbine, as cold air is more dense you need more to spool the turbine vs. the low density warm air.

[dragon2200]

Back to the sts system and away from everything else here is an email from sts

The same units in PAIRS for v8 split into the singles well.

So the proprietary housings we use make the quick spool still a reality.

Most full boost by 3000rpm.

Respectfully ,Joe@sts.

[1981gMachine]

3K for a complete universal kit. For under 3K I could still go N/A and get the same gains as with the turbo. STS is great but far from the best.

Procharger FTW

[Beodude123]

To be honest dude, anything from STS is a bit untrustworthy. Just like the 10 whp claims on exhaust for an RX-8, the claims might not be on track. They are, after all, in the business of selling things.

This is something I thought about today, but didn't include in my heat post earlier. Heat is a byproduct of energy. Molecules move in relative speed to their energy level. Higher energy levels produce more movement. Friction is a byproduct of movement, and heat is a byproduct of friction. So there ya have it.

So for a turbo, you want the hottest air. More heat equals more energy. More energy pushes on the turbo the more heat you have. Cold air won't do jack for a turbo.

[Gregersonke]

A good turbo kit will cost you 4000 bucks unless its from a factory configuration that you can pull out of the junkyard.

[1981gMachine]

Sts systems

9.88 Sec quarter with RMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0pA2Pu0Rdo

10.89 with RMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm8PznzjngE

Sts turbo Silverado burning out from a 30mph roll, turbo spools as soon as he hits the gas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON2ELT1EMl4

Non StS systems

Twin turbo Vette 10.76 Quarter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gu1XDGSbe8

Twin turbo Vette 11.24 Quarter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZmITFYiacg

Lingenfelter twin turbo Corvette 9.22 sec 1/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LkIoCEcPCQ


This post you are just fishing for some proof. You know nothing about these cars. I don't, nobody does but the owner. You don't know what heads, cam, intakes are on these cars. Pistons, rods, etc... Those TT cars might have a more mild motor where the STS cars have a more hopped up motor.

Real proof would be the same car, same motor with it's 1/4 times with different setups. But still, a STS and Front Turbo is comparing apples to oranges.

[Zx2 Frost]

It would be useful though, for a twin turbo setup, if there is no room in engine bay.

[CT9A]

On top of that all of those are V8 applications of course they spool fast...if you put a turbo like those on a zx2 you would have a 1000rpm power band. For this type of system to work on a 4 cyl car the turbo would have to be so small that the most power you could make and still have a 3000rpm spool would be around 200whp. That same turbo in a normal configuration would spool damn near instantly. You could put a t25 in a rear mounted setup and have around the same spool time as a 57trim in a standard setup. It just doesn't work on small engined cars. They don't produce enough heat, or move enough air.

[Beodude123]

You guys realize that the "it's a V8" argument is off right? I doubt they would give you the same turbo made for what a V8 would put out on a 4 banger. Properly sized turbos will spool for the engine they are on, regardless of how big it is. A 4 cyl turbo is going to be smaller, but it would spool just as fast.

[Escort Pimp]

To clear things up no I don't know anything about turbos except for what I have researched on the net!

No surprise there.

Here's a hint, listening to everything a shop tells you does not count as research. They are making money off selling their product, do you really expect them to tell you anything negative about their product?



So far this has been the least helpful forum I have ever been on I have learned next to nothing compared to my other forums
I don't recall anyone asking you to stay. If you dislike it so much, why are you still here?

[CT9A]

I realize they wouldn't use the same turbo as they do in the v8 kits. That is my point...the turbo that they would have to use to give the kit a good spool up would be so small that you would be very limited on the amount of power the turbo could flow.

[dragon2200]

Info from my other forum and I can tell you that he knows a hell of a lot more about cars than most if not everyone on this forum.


...I've seen a couple of these setups in person..As stated ,they work just as well as conventional tubo's..the key is the matching of the t/c...as it always is.
Bit lost on this previous comment...


Timing would have to be over lapped intake/exhaust to get more combustion..

Care to explain the 'to get more combustion ' part?? :unsure:


...you could also argue the single Vs twin T/C on say a 3.0 Contour. Does the Noble just have twin for the 'bling' factor...is it no better than some single set ups we see on Contours?...is it just package space?....but for example...look at the HP a Noble makes with twin Vs the max a Contour 3.0 makes with a single??....If a single made max power why not 'keep it simple' on a Noble?...I think the Noble HP numbers tell the tale on that one don't you!!!(along with a lower, 8>8.5:1 compression ratio!!)

[LiveWire]

RMT is purely a packaging compromise. People and companies make them all the time. If you don't have the packaging issue, then there is no reason to make the compromise. It's all downside and no upside. Their proprietary housing is probably so that when using a turbo small enough to spool up yet not choke the motor up top by not flowing enough.

I have seen Escort Pimps car and I have also seen his posts change tone over the development of his setup. He was not always in your face about it before. My impression of his setup is that he researched what he needed very thoroughly and specific to his realistic goals. It was only after he proved out his setup that he became more aggressive in the statements of his opinion. It is not the typical promotion of the installed product that is typical of tuner car owners either. He has track slips to back up that he made well informed decisions. It your continual defense of RMT that prevents a more helpful response: Ask him what his setup is and what his goals were to see if they match up with what you would want.

It seems to me you are saying this forum is the least helpful because people are not telling you what you want to hear. Telling you that setup will not be as efficient as a typical setup is being helpful. If they convince you to not buy that setup and go with a more typical setup, you will have been helped.

[dragon2200]

I have no problem with input it's the utter disrespect he showed in his statement, not to mention actual people not just magazines and shops are saying that the system is comparable in power an boost.

Now I may be wrong about the system in terms of how well it works but I haven't been able to drive a car with it or even see how well one performs with the system, shooting down an idea before it even gets feedback or saying it'll never work before you try it is what irritates me, from what I gather nobody here has seen the system actually work, with enough engineering anything is possible.

I however will be going down to Meridian performance in the next week or so to see a system in place, the only reason I like the system is ease of installation and the lack of wear and tear on my motor from the excess heat that it wasn't meant for.

[Escort Pimp]

I have seen Escort Pimps car and I have also seen his posts change tone over the development of his setup. He was not always in your face about it before. My impression of his setup is that he researched what he needed very thoroughly and specific to his realistic goals. It was only after he proved out his setup that he became more aggressive in the statements of his opinion. It is not the typical promotion of the installed product that is typical of tuner car owners either. He has track slips to back up that he made well informed decisions. It your continual defense of RMT that prevents a more helpful response: Ask him what his setup is and what his goals were to see if they match up with what you would want.


Yeah the more I've been around I try to give people straight answers. I don't really feel like explaining why one is better than the other because I'd be on here typing shit all day. I give people the truth, they can take it or they can not. I tend to get irritated when people with absolutely no turbo experience try to argue with stuff they read on the internet, especially when said "facts" are coming from shops.




the only reason I like the system is ease of installation and the lack of wear and tear on my motor from the excess heat that it wasn't meant for.
Boost is boost no matter what. Nitrous cools your intake charge dramatically but see what a 125 shot does to your engine. Your rods are still going to break at any hp level worth talking about.

[2000ZxT]

I tend to get irritated when people with absolutely no turbo experience try to argue with stuff they read on the internet, especially when said "facts" are coming from shops.



Isn't it the truth? I have been intoo many threads where people resort to... I called Focussport/various shop and they said such and such...

Definitely NOT an unbiased opinion...

[Escort Pimp]

Isn't it the truth? I have been intoo many threads where people resort to... I called Focussport/various shop and they said such and such...

Definitely NOT an unbiased opinion...
Knowing the facts yourself > Repeating what someone else said

[2000ZxT]

the lack of wear and tear on my motor from the excess heat that it wasn't meant for.

I just saw this and lolled.

Are you talking about a turbo app?

If so you know anything above 200whp (which is absolutely nothing) and your little zetec is a ticking time bomb.

[powder]

Useless on a 4 cylinder. A Focus guy had one and he it didn't spool til 5k. Sweet.

Now that is owned. lol

[2000ZxT]

There is a guy about 30 minutes from me doing a rear mounted turbo focus. He may or may not be the same person, he used to be supercharged so I dont know.

Either way he has a built engine and his car is going to boot with his rear mounted setup.

[jeffescortlx]

...the only reason I like the system is ease of installation and the lack of wear and tear on my motor from the excess heat that it wasn't meant for.

Honestly, how many times have you heard real hard core turbo guy's worry about "excess heat"?

If you ask me, ease of installation would be not installing an oil pump with 8 feet of hose and 8 feet of charge pipe under the car.

[Beodude123]

ZX2s are pretty good as far as heat goes. Over 200 ponies is ticking if you don't have built internals. If you do, then you would be good.

[LiveWire]

I have no problem with input it's the utter disrespect he showed in his statement, not to mention actual people not just magazines and shops are saying that the system is comparable in power an boost.

Now I may be wrong about the system in terms of how well it works but I haven't been able to drive a car with it or even see how well one performs with the system, shooting down an idea before it even gets feedback or saying it'll never work before you try it is what irritates me, from what I gather nobody here has seen the system actually work, with enough engineering anything is possible.

I however will be going down to Meridian performance in the next week or so to see a system in place, the only reason I like the system is ease of installation and the lack of wear and tear on my motor from the excess heat that it wasn't meant for.

Actually he was not disrespectful in his first posts in this thread:
Useless on a 4 cylinder. A Focus guy had one and he it didn't spool til 5k. Sweet.
On a 4 cylinder or a v8?
I don't have to look at it to tell you it's not an optimal turbo set up.

The last one sums up RMT pretty well. Others were doing quite a good job at describing why this would be an inferior setup. You wanted to teach all of them why they are wrong and you are right. You want those who have researched different options and have actually installed turbos on their cars to know that you know more than them because you listened to some shop trying to sell you something.

It gets real old for a person to convey knowledge and understanding to a person who simply wants to do what he wants to do. They get frustrated and then get belligerent. If you want respect, show respect. While his 4th post may have been over the line, your posts before that were condescending.

If you honestly feel this is the way to go, then do it. Why try to convince other's. All I can see is that you want a better comfort level in the decision you have already made. You're not going to get it here. Do it, take it to the strip. Post your numbers.

I betting on an another angle that hasn't been touched though which is you're probably not going to do anything. No offense intended, the odds are not in your favor for people who describe how they are going to turbo their car and those who actually do it.

In regards to the theoretical aspects of doing this: Doesn't the turbo end up lower than the oil level in the pan? How do they get the oil back/up to the pan?

[pinkshinyalan]

Sure, guys are doing this with hardcore builds and getting wicked quarter mile times. I think the lag would be devastating on a street-driven car though.

I read in Car & Driver a while back -- when the Evo had first come to the States -- that it had a turbo built in to the exhaust manifold rather than a two-piece assembly. That kept the turbo closer to the engine, and helped it to spool faster while generating more boost.

I would imagine other car companies are doing the same thing with their turbos.

Point is, Mitsu spends a lot more money on engine development than this RMT company does, and they have to deal with trying to get many more people to buy their product than STS does. I'd trust Mitsu's results over STS's. For making a street-drivable car with relatively small displacement, the "traditional" turbo setup is the way to go.

That is the same rationale, by the way, that I use to debunk miracle performance/economy solutions like the turbonator. If it really worked and was reliable/worth the cost/required no compromises, you'd see it in every Corolla on the road.

In response to LiveWire's concern about oil return, I would imagine the oil would return to the oil pan due to pressure in the oil lines, rather than draining out like an underhood turbo. That's just a guess though. Maybe they incorporate an auxiliary electric pump or something equally ludicrous.

[Escort Pimp]

In regards to the theoretical aspects of doing this: Doesn't the turbo end up lower than the oil level in the pan? How do they get the oil back/up to the pan?
Yeah you have to install a oil pump for the the drain. The only good thing about that is you can put your oil drain wherever you want.