Team ZX2 president voting

[ZX2guy19]

Alright guys. I just want to see where we stand as far as Obama vs. McCain.


This isn't about a discussion or anything. Just vote and say who you voted for, or don't say it. Just please don't say anything more then that.

[DaviDawg]

Mccain!

[CraZx2ing]

No other or undecided?

[SoCalZX2]

No other or undecided?

I agree that should be an option, even though I'll put my vote with Mccain... I know there are others here that are undecided.

[ZX2guy19]

If that is the case, everyone will just put undecided. We are pretending it is time for voting right now.

[ZetecInside]

There are more than two parties in the United States. At least put an "other" field.

[CraZx2ing]

Agreed. If i had to vote right now and only had those two options... I would rather save the gas money and stay at home.

[droptoutzx2]

voting for anything other then democrat or republican is a waste of your time.... so pick one

[Nick_83]

McCain

[powder]

voting for anything other then democrat or republican is a waste of your time.... so pick one

Last time i checked, there was this thing called choice. And also, i remember there being more than 2 options per ballot. Everyone knows what you said is true, but who cares. Neither will get my endorsment.

[zx2angel]

McCain

[zxtuner98]

Mccain!

[DOUGIESTYL]

I'm not in the republican tax bracket. I've gotta vote Democrat!

[SoCalZX2]

I'm not in the republican tax bracket. I've gotta vote Democrat!

I.E. you don't make enough to be required to file taxes? I'm just curious how you're not in a tax bracket? lol

[DOUGIESTYL]

Play on words. I'm too poor to vote Republican. It's my opinion that the Republican party does not benefit the workin' man's financial struggle. I'm not poor by any means, but I'm not financially comfortable. I'm not bitchin' about my problems, but I had less financial problems when it was the President getting screwd!!

[SoCalZX2]

You do realize that overall (minus the spending habits of the current president) the Republican party has lower taxes than the Democrats right? So I'm not sure how voting for someone who will raise taxes across the board is a good thing for you as a "working man".

I know we're not supposed to have a discussion in here and I apologize. I'm just trying to understand his comments.

[david gettle]

McCaine, at least if he has to send the military into a conflict he has an idea of what they can expect, because he's been there. Beyond that, I simply don't trust Obama, and I'm not familiar with the other options.

[zxtwou2]

i put other.

i was going for obama ONLY to go against hillary...now that she's out of the picture, i'm neutral again. i guess if it were one of the other it'd be mccain.

[blue_2001]

Pedo bear for pres

[random_hero]

where is "not voting" ? :(

[MidnightPanther99]

Obama....sorry but I am getting tired of the Bush family and his friends.

[ZetecInside]

voting for anything other then democrat or republican is a waste of your time.... so pick one


Voting for a candidate you don't agree with is a waste of your time.

[5spdzx2]

Obama

[pissdrunx16]

obama..... what you guys wanna start ww3 then go for mccaine

[Buster]

Obama....sorry but I am getting tired of the Bush family and his friends.

:rofl:

So you have 2 options this time.

[STS-ZX2SR]

I'm too poor to vote Republican. It's my opinion that the Republican party does not benefit the workin' man's financial struggle. screwd!!

...but it certainly benifits "the guy that you work for"; tax him more and maybe he'll put the pinch on you...or lay you off. How is that gonna benifit you?

[J_Mob]

Other. Obama or McCain, I think they are both going to start WWIII it will just be with different countries (JK-I Hope).

I heard an interesting theory the other day-concluded that McCain will drop out of the election in around August "due to health reasons" and the Republican party will nominate some "new, fresh" candidate to compete with Obama. I'm interested to see it it plays out....if they do and nominate Ron Paul I may vote Republican, otherwise I am going to stick with other.

[ImCrazy]

I.E. you don't make enough to be required to file taxes? I'm just curious how you're not in a tax bracket? lol

True that brother the Republican Party has never done anything for me or my working class family so fuck em.

[MellowedZX2]

McCain: lesser of the two evils.

Joel

[jdrzx2]

I had to throw in as other, I don't know who I want to be president.

[Buster]

McCain: lesser of the two evils.

Joel

That just about sums it up. :shrug: :D

[EmoRebellion]

Im worried about the 20% who are voting other at this point..

[SeRiousZX2]

McCain: lesser of the two evils.

Joel

Yes, because having a CIC that keeps the troops overseas in a pointless war to die everyday is the lesser of two evils. Sorry, but I would rather pay higher taxes than fight another man's (or country's) war.

Semper Fi

[ImCrazy]

Yes, because having a CIC that keeps the troops overseas in a pointless war to die everyday is the lesser of two evils. Sorry, but I would rather pay higher taxes than fight another man's (or country's) war.

Semper Fi

Absolutely

[MellowedZX2]

You know the election is more then that. Which I why I said the lesser of two evils. If you don't want to go fight then get out. You have your opinion, thats fine. You knew the risk when you signed the line. If you don't agree with it thats fine, I don't have a problem with you disagreeing, but bottom line is it doesn't matter, when you get the call to go that is what WE do as Marines.
I am not going to get in a big debate about it.

Semper Fi Devil Dog

Joel

[SoCalZX2]

True that brother the Republican Party has never done anything for me or my working class family so fuck em.

I hope you're not serious... and you know I'm a republican right?

[JonsZX2SR]

I wonder how many PUMA's (bitter HRC supporters) we have on this site ?? Ironic in that HRC is not a PUMA herself.

As much as I was not in support of her bid for the presidency, I think she could play a leadership role for the Democrats, especially if she got Bill to shut up.

[ZX2guy19]

Jon, I have always been curious, and this has nothing to do with this thread. I read on FEOA that you have multiple degrees and even a PhD. What do you have those in? {To avoid hijacking the thread I'll send a PM. Let's stay on topic.}

[SeRiousZX2]

You know the election is more then that. Which I why I said the lesser of two evils. If you don't want to go fight then get out. You have your opinion, thats fine. You knew the risk when you signed the line. If you don't agree with it thats fine, I don't have a problem with you disagreeing, but bottom line is it doesn't matter, when you get the call to go that is what WE do as Marines.
I am not going to get in a big debate about it.

Semper Fi Devil Dog

Joel

That is where you are absolutely wrong. I did NOT sign on the line to fight another countrys war.

Lets see, this is what I raised my hand to do:

I, SeRious08, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Is being in Iraq really defending the Constitution? I think not. We have just as many "terrorist" here on domestic soil. lets take care of our own first.

Have I obeyed the orders of Bush? I think my 3 tours (28 months) over there says I did. Just because I raised my hand to obey the President, doesn't mean I have to agree with his political views.

[ZX2guy19]

Owned.

[Mike]

Yep...owned...and what sucks is I'm all for McCain...


Serious...you may have made me look at other options...

[JonsZX2SR]

Think things are confusing today or in the 2000 election ?? Read about the 1876 presidential election dispute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Commission_(United_States)). I hope the 2008 election goes reasonably smoothly.

[Buster]

If McCain wins, it won't.

Lawsuits will be filed.

Voter intimidation and fraud will happen again...it has the past few elections.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/011255.php
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=383666
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-10-05-gop-office-attack_x.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Vote_Fraud_Intimidation_Suppression_2004_Pres_Elec tion_v2.pdf

[SeRiousZX2]

And they invloved Florida and Bush's brother Jeb.

[SoCalZX2]

I really appreciate everything you've done Serious... I just can't see the benefit in straight pulling out of Iraq. I don't think there will be any real argument about going there in the first place. But to say that just pulling out is the best option is poorly thought out (no offense).

There needs to be a very careful exit strategy that gets us out quickly, but not abruptly leaving a government that can't sustain itself in place. Anyone that thinks that is the best option is a little loopey IMHO.

I know this is a touchy subject for you, especially since you've spent a lot of time in that area of the world. But I hope that the Iraq topic isn't the only reason you think that McCain would be a poor president.

People here know my stance on Government, so while I agree we need a good, SAFE and quick exit strategy, I just think there is more to this election than Iraq that needs to be looked at.

[Buster]

Exit strategy = victory.

We're winning if you listen to facts, not the news.

[capitalcrew]

People think the news IS the facts buster.. thats one of the problems.

[Wogdog]

1 for Obama

[SoCalZX2]

I'll say this... I'm pretty shocked @ how balanced the "vote" is here.

Buster, I don't really disagree with you... But victory needs to be getting a self sustaining government in place, not becoming the permanent Iraqi Police force IMHO.

[capitalcrew]

I'll say this... I'm pretty shocked @ how balanced the "vote" is here.

Buster, I don't really disagree with you... But victory needs to be getting a self sustaining government in place, not becoming the permanent Iraqi Police force IMHO.

100% truth right here. Once we can start pulling out troops without a serious and dangerous drop in security in Iraq.. then we've won. Then we can start pulling out troops. Once they have a stable government with a decent military and police system, that can defend itself if need be.. then we win. Once that country is self sustaining, we win.

If we pull out of Iraq in 16 months like everyone's good buddy Obama wants to do, soldiers in Iraq and citizens abroad will die. The country, will be over run by insurgents before the last few brigades are withdrawn. Thus overwhelming them. There will be casualties. After that, the government will fall to yet another dictator and there will be no peace or anything resembling it. There will be no security in Iraq, it will just be shit. After that.. it'll be a safe haven for any terrorists etc. Then people traveling through out the middle east will be in more danger than they already are.

We're stuck in Iraq, and there is no leaving immediately. There is no, "Oh well!" and thats it. I mean, you could do it. You'd regret it though.

We need a leader who will work to get us out of there properly. Not a leader who will just botch up the botch up.

Come four years from now, with the exodus of Iraq underway, elect a new President. liberal, conservative, whatever you want. Just don't make Iraq worse than it already is.

If I was president we'd just wax the mother fuckers. Fuck world policy and foreign relations. :biggun:

[Zx2wannaBe]

I would vote ralph nader, mainly because I think we are going to get screwed with either one of them becoming president, and if ralph nader ran there would be no chance of him winning, and the way i figure if you don't vote you can't bitch, this way i can bitch about who ever wins because i didn't vote for them...lol

[Connal]

Consider this my write in for Capn. Crunch.

He has never lied to me, or made promises that will be left behind in the dust. He has also never done any mud slinging. Even though count chocula says that his cereal cuts the roof of your mouth, the Capn. has always been true to his customers.

Also, his moustache makes me laugh.

[Mike]

^^I giggled at that...

[Buster]

I'll say this... I'm pretty shocked @ how balanced the "vote" is here.

Buster, I don't really disagree with you... But victory needs to be getting a self sustaining government in place, not becoming the permanent Iraqi Police force IMHO.

I do agree with that and we're actually making a lot of progress with the Iraqis taking over more and more responsibility.

It can't be done overnight.

For the people whining "bring them home now!"...why aren't you picketing for the troops from Korea, Germany, Panama, Japan...every other base we have leftover from WWII and other wars? We're still in many places 60 years after wining wars...it doesn't mean we're still at war. I believe we will always need to have some troops stationed in the middle east for various tactical reasons. We do have an all-volunteer military, so it's not like someone if drafted and being sent to a desert for 60 years against their will.

If the military is allowed to do their job without interference from politicians, they will win convincingly every time they go to battle.

[Buster]

Consider this my write in for Capn. Crunch.

He has never lied to me, or made promises that will be left behind in the dust. He has also never done any mud slinging. Even though count chocula says that his cereal cuts the roof of your mouth, the Capn. has always been true to his customers.

Also, his moustache makes me laugh.

When it tickles your lips?

[MellowedZX2]

Serious- the point I was trying to make is that regardless of how you feel about why we are where we are or why we are doing it, doesn't matter, you don't agree with it and thats fine, I did not say you had to, my point was that you and every other service member knew the risk when you signed up. It didn't say that "as long as YOUR ok with the reasons" then you shouldn't complain. I don't know what you do in our Beloved Corps but if you are at a paygrade that would provide you with the true reasons for this war then fine and good, but chances are you are not. So therefore you have a better idea of the truth then say Joe Shmoe watching the news but still you are limited to what you have been told by the ones who give you orders.

I haven't served in country as long as you, I have only been twice, I was in the airwing, if I was still in I would be ramping up for my 6th tour, I send all my thanks to you and all you are still serving with. Regardless of how anyone feels about it, YOU ARE the reason we all have the freedoms we do.


I also agree that we can't just pull out, we will, more likely then not, always have an element there. I don't know what the answer involves, I don't think that anything that is proposed right now will make everyone happy, honestly I don't think there is a definite right answer. It is kinda like the border right now, there isn't an answer that everyone will agree on.

Joel