What would you vote?

[inis]

Curious to who's in the same boat as me.

I was shooting for hillary, and to be truthful. I'm not on obama's train, atleast yet anyways. I could careless for any republican's right now. So unless she becomes his VP, I probally wont vote.

I have a few friends this way, my dad is this way also. I'm thinking maybe a majority of the (50%ish) of the democrats are this way?? you tell me...

[SoCalZX2]

Republican... thats how I've always voted.

I'm always going to lean on the more conservative side, but I'm not nearly some right wing conservative. I just don't believe in big government and higher taxes. I realize that not everyone gets the same opportunity and that life isn't fair. I just shouldn't be forced into helping people by higher taxes and government programs that try and make thing equal by forcing those that have more to carry those that don't (call me an asshole if you want I don't care)


I would ask any that disagree with me to think about it in a personal light... If you went to college and you busted your ass and got straight A's, would it be fair for the school board to take some of your A's away and give them to someone who was less fortunate and didn't get the same grade? No? So why is it "fair" for someone to have to financially carry others because they put in the effort to be successful?

Edit: I'd also like to ask those who chose not to vote... that they keep their mouth shut about any political issue that arises from whoever gets into office. If you don't put your opinion out there by not voting (even if not for a main candidate, I believe you shouldn't have an opinion on anything that happens afterwards)

[inis]

well I fucked that poll up, I didn't do it right.

I should have done:

1) obama , dont care who's vp
2) obama with hillary as vp or will vote diff person/not at all
3) Obama without hillary or will vote different person/not at all
4) replublican
5) dont like any of them/dont really care.

[capitalcrew]

McCain 08. We need to handle our over seas problems, instead of ignoring them like obama wants to. I'm not a fan of being there, but I'm not a fan of leaving surgery half done either.

I look at the war in Iraq like this.. We started surgery on some one. Liver transplant we'll say. We get half way through, and some fuck decides he wants to do the heart, just for the hell of it. Well shit, there it goes.. all kinds of problems and complications arise blah blah blah. Then you get some guy who doesn't care, and just wants to sew it up and leave it half done.

The patient(iraq) dies, and the surgeon(us.) gets fired and probably shot by a pissed off family member.

I'm also against big government and socialist views.

[inis]

please dont take this out of proportion. I didn't ask everyones option on whos better. I asked what is everyone , in an alike situation to mine... or even being a democrat... going to do.

There are plenty other threads to discuss opinions and why this or why that in.

[capitalcrew]

Dude you asked who everyone would vote for. If you only wanted democrats opinions then you should have said, "democratic voters only" and not had a McCain/republican option.

[SoCalZX2]

please dont take this out of proportion. I didn't ask everyones option on whos better. I asked what is everyone , in an alike situation to mine... or even being a democrat... going to do.

There are plenty other threads to discuss opinions and why this or why that in.

Yet in your OP you chimed in with your opinion about why you're voting (or in your case not voting) the way you are... so whats the difference with me and Caps explanation? lol

[capitalcrew]

We support a different candidate. :p

[zxtwou2]

i hit don't vote as in i won't vote right here right now for any of those. if hillary goes as obama's VP..i'll definitely vote McCain, though. even if McCain was proven to be the devil himself, i'd vote for him over Hillary. i predict if hillary was to win as VP with obama...he'd be offed at some point or another so she could live her glory of being the first woman president.

[SoCalZX2]

Well, that would be historical... I mean first black president and first female president in the same term... lol

[Buster]

Plus, the second impeachment for a single family after the assassination investigation is complete.

[LiveWire]

My general political attitude is leave me the hell alone and I will leave you the hell alone. That fits better with Libertarian, but I want my vote to mean something so Republican is the better fit between the two parties that stand a chance.

I do want change which is why I want to 'change' the Democratic controlled congress and senate to Republican.

[JonsZX2SR]

I would guess that about 30% of HRC supporters will not vote for Obama unless HRC is the VP and 10% of Obama supporters will not vote if HRC is the VP.

...I think democratic voters should let Obama and HRC negotiate her leadership role and listen to her. She may very well want to be secretary of state or get support from the Obama adminstration to become Senate majority leader. the obama adminstration would have to offer suitable positions (sec. of state, supreme court nominee, sec. of defense, etc.) to those ahead of her.

I think HRC has grown up a bit since the campaign and understands she can become one of a group of effective leaders. Plenty of people did not get to be president who took on major leadership roles. I think she has finally realized you don't have to be president to be a leader.

I also think she finally has come to realize it is time for Bill to shut up and just be a private citizen and stop trying to run things from the sideline. the US gov't doesn't usually need a head coach (although ironically GWB could have used one.)

Unfortunately many of the PUMA's are stuck with out dated thinking and are unhappy she isn't the presidential nominee and are trying to force both Obama and HRC to do what they want.

Obama and HRC are reasonably intelligent people. Trust them to negotiate what works and stop trying to force the issue.

Similarly McCain needs to find someone who works for him and his platform.

It's going to be interesting in November, and I haven't decided who I will vote for, there are positives and concerns with either party's candidates. The platforms of either party will play a role as will the intelligence and leadership qualities of both the presidential and VP candidates. Race, gender or age are not going to play a part with deciding my vote.

[capitalcrew]

I would guess that about 30% of HRC supporters will not vote for Obama unless HRC is the VP and 10% of Obama supporters will not vote if HRC is the VP.

...I think democratic voters should let Obama and HRC negotiate her leadership role and listen to her. She may very well want to be secretary of state or get support from the Obama adminstration to become Senate majority leader. the obama adminstration would have to offer suitable positions (sec. of state, supreme court nominee, sec. of defense, etc.) to those ahead of her.

I think HRC has grown up a bit since the campaign and understands she can become one of a group of effective leaders. Plenty of people did not get to be president who took on major leadership roles. I think she has finally realized you don't have to be president to be a leader.

I also think she finally has come to realize it is time for Bill to shut up and just be a private citizen and stop trying to run things from the sideline. the US gov't doesn't usually need a head coach (although ironically GWB could have used one.)

Unfortunately many of the PUMA's are stuck with out dated thinking and are unhappy she isn't the presidential nominee and are trying to force both Obama and HRC to do what they want.

Obama and HRC are reasonably intelligent people. Trust them to negotiate what works and stop trying to force the issue.

Similarly McCain needs to find someone who works for him and his platform.

It's going to be interesting in November, and I haven't decided who I will vote for, there are positives and concerns with either parties candidates. The platforms of either party will play a role as will the intelligence and leadership qualities of both the presidential and VP candidates. Race, gender or age are not going to play a part with deciding my vote.

Nor should they with anyone's vote.

[CraZx2ing]

I put not vote. I'm not too happy with any of them. Depending on McCain's VP, I might vote. IF i vote it will be republican, I know that much. We'll see as the day gets closer. I agree with the don't vote, don't complain way of thinking. I haven't complained about anything for the past few years, but i did vote. *shrug*

Life will go on no matter who is in charge. 4 or 8 years from now, it'll just change anyways.

[JonsZX2SR]

True life will go on, but there are different paths we can follow. We need a change from the failed GWB economic model. I could vote for McCain if he selected a moderate VP and I was certain he would break from the failed economic policies of the GWB / democratic congress administration.

If McCain is going to follow the GWB economic, energy and foreign policies this country will be ruined in another 4 years. If Obama picks a moderate democrat and if the democratic platform is a break from the far left, I would consider that.

...but we need some kind of change from the current failed policies that I blame both Republicans and Democrats for.

I would regret leaving the US, but if we are looking at 4 more years of disaster, I may decide to retire from my current job and take one of a number of job offers I have in Europe. It sucks to leave the US, but 100 years ago and more, people left Europe to come to the new world looking for opportunity.

It is ironic that opportunity now exists in Europe and in Asia... Everyone should think about what the US once was, and what it has become. We have lost our legacy from the past, lost our way, lost the American can-do spirit and given it all up for a bunch of politicians.

What can we do, beyond words, to turn the US around ?? I'm tired of all the rhetoric, but I'm tired of people thinking we can't change the direction of the US.

[Buster]

I still can't believe people are that naive or uninformed to believe the Obama/media talking points about McCain being in-step with President Bush. As someone who followed McCain over the past 8 years (probably because he's in the same party as I am), McCain CONSTANTLY opposed President Bush on many issues. He's his own man. Examine his voting record and look at his positions and you will see a President McCain who is FAR different than President Bush.

But, since he's the Republican candidate, it's convenient and easy to full the masses of fools by saying "he'll be like another President Bush". (not that anyone in the media gives the office enough respect to properly refer to him as "President" Bush.)

"Failed policies". Straight from Pelosi's mouth.

I am happy there is such a failure economically. Unemployment at 5% Home ownership at an all-time high (even aside from people who foolishly took on ARMs). Taxes are lower. My income is higher.

Fuel prices can solely be blamed on Democrats who hold us hostage to foreign oil. This includes Senator Obama. THAT is what a "failed policy" looks like.

[Buster]

Obama's failed policies that are making YOU personally suffer financially when driving your car or heating your home:


Voted YES to designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness. (Nov 2007)
Voted YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning. (May 2007)
Voted YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)

http://issues2000.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Energy_+_Oil.htm#Voting_Record

[Buster]

Also, Obama called for a new economic stimulus package that includes gas tax rebates, assistance to avoid disclosures and additional rebates to assist people short term.

How will he (we) pay for it? Dramatically higher taxes that will slow the economy.

Economically, Obama proposes the exact OPPOSITE of what we need.

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=215181&src=109


Same old talking points..."failed policies", "tax cuts for the rich", "evil oil companies"...

The only change Obama demonstrates is his weekly changes on positions. He's one of the same old political hacks that are damaging the nation. If you look at his voting record, he votes and parrots his party on every vote...when he bothers to actually vote and not simply vote "present" as he far-too-often does. There's nothing different about him, despite his sermons.

I'm not a big McCain fan, but at least you can say he has principles and votes against his party when he believes in his position.