my zx2 vs corvette

[zx2racer1990]

Well im crusing down this stretch of highway at 45mph and some punk driving dadys corvette slowly pulls up next to me and revs his engine. Im only 18 and i cant just go beat the hell out of my dads car so i use my zx2.so from 45 we both jump on it and go. i was a good three lenghts ahead when we quit and was doing about 130. the look on his face was priceless, his dads 50000 corvette just got its crap packed by a 4000 zx2. he may have 450 hp, but with 200 hp and my car being very light(took alot of crap like back seat out) i took him.

[MindSpinZX2]

How do you have 200 hp with your mods? What exactly does "hopes and dreams" include?

[WillZX2]

u have 200hp? You turboed? If ur only mods r the ones in ur sig, then ur no where near 200hp..

[MindSpinZX2]

Haha jinx

[Beodude123]

What a faker.

[MindSpinZX2]

I dunno dude, he did say he took the back seat out.

[WillZX2]

lol

[Fordboy]

ill give this one the benifit of the doubt and say the other kid didnt know how to drive daddys car but that is even pushing it. this story is sounds fishy

[zxtwou2]

Well im crusing down this stretch of highway at 45mph and some punk driving dadys corvette slowly pulls up next to me and revs his engine. Im only 18 and i cant just go beat the hell out of my dads car so i use my zx2.so from 45 we both jump on it and go. i was a good three lenghts ahead when we quit and was doing about 130. the look on his face was priceless, his dads 50000 corvette just got its crap packed by a 4000 zx2. he may have 450 hp, but with 200 hp and my car being very light(took alot of crap like back seat out) i took him.


was it like...a 1970's vette with the fuel economy and emissions crap? those are the only real dog slow ones.

the only time i've ever beated vettes is autoXing. they will walk a zx2 with bolt ons without even full throttle.

[vega]

Im taking my back seat tomorrow !!! hell, ill go crazy and take the passenger seat also, that should ad another 50 hp.

[Waterboy9000]

this is the same kid asking me how to take his front bumper off so he can get his body kit on. body kit = +80hp DUH

[ZX2 Sleeper]

130 mph? Did you do the speed limiter thing? How do you know it was 130!? Unless you have s/r goodies.

[ZX2 Sleeper]

http://teamzx2.com/showthread.php?t=4545

Same guy.... he races vettes and also has problems keeping his zx2 running.

[TTFOWIA]

http://blogs.citypages.com/gop/originals_bullshit1_ranndino.jpg

[Manbearpig]

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u134/chrism623/funny/1186143457263.gif

[zx2loon]

Come on guys.....I beat a 69' Camero SS that had a 513 big block that was supercharged and had nitrous on it at the 1/4 mile drag strip last weekend. It was a piece of cake. The camero spotted me 3/4 of a mile and I beat him by 1/2 a car length......:shrug: Didn't know I was that good did ya :D



I can beat anyone that way. :dance:

[4U2QUIK]

http://blogs.citypages.com/gop/originals_bullshit1_ranndino.jpg

lol ditto.

and if he had 200hp with those modes I musta have had 400hp in my white zx2. I had the entire interior stripped out and I was running a stand alone pcm.
(in reality I was prolly lucky if i even had 150.)

[Mike]

What a douche.

[MrWeeyums]

This all sounds legit.
~Ryan

[2000ZxT]

Has anyone ever tested out how much taking the rear seat gives you on the dyno?

Next person to dyno should do it.

[WillZX2]

I don't think taking the back seats out shaves much weight, don't think there is all that much to them.

[2000ZxT]

Cmon will it's not about the weight it's about the HP.

[WillZX2]

atleast 50whp..duh

[ChillinZX]

There was a year when the Ford Pinto would beat a Corvette from the factory, I think it was 84 or something like that.

[MrWeeyums]

The Escort GTs would beat the crossfire injected vettes of a few years before.
~Ryan

[4U2QUIK]

hmmm methinks some people need to come back to reality.

[DaviDawg]

i just read this. LMFAO!!!!!

[needfasp3ed]

hey kid, get the fuck out with that weak shit.

[DaviDawg]

i just realized he (zx2racer1990) might have that special edition 1990 ricer zx2 prototype, you know the one they made with the twin turbos.

[4U2QUIK]

hey kid, get the fuck out with that weak shit.


?????

[blue_2001]

only a vette i jus smoked a gallardo

[CSCustomCars]

i just realized he (zx2racer1990) might have that special edition 1990 ricer zx2 prototype, you know the one they made with the twin turbos.

Nah, i think the 1990 is the year he was born. He said he is 18. 1990-2008 = 18 years old.

[TheEvilZX2]

lol i want this kids dyno.....

ive got way more than an intake and udp so i must be at like 3....or 4 thousand horsepower.....

and i took my back seats out, and all the interior behind the front seats to the trunk.....so by this logic i can fly right?

[raider]

he's making us 1990 people look bad.

[ZX2 Sleeper]

Thank god i was born in 1989~!

[DaviDawg]

Nah, i think the 1990 is the year he was born. He said he is 18. 1990-2008 = 18 years old.

you dont know about the twin turbo special edition 1990 ricer zx2 prototype?



LMFAO agian!

[MindSpinZX2]

where'd he go? lol..I sure would like to hear the rest of this tale.

[Mike]

This guy probably won't be back.

[4U2QUIK]

lol, born in 77 here

[Mike]

84....

[MrWeeyums]

Actually scratch my first comment. I just watched a Probe and an early 80s vette race at a light today. The probe was half primer and rusty, the vette had a loud exhaust and a real nice paint job. They were dead even. I LOL'd.
~Ryan

[4U2QUIK]

or the guy in the vette was just fucking with the guy in the probe.

[JC'szx2]

remember anything in here is purely fictional! lol

[MrWeeyums]

or the guy in the vette was just fucking with the guy in the probe.

No he was definitely on it all the way. You could hear the exhaust scream and wind out the gears.
~Ryan

[CSCustomCars]

And thats why I never bother posting in these sections...

BTW, I knew it was a joke. I'm not quite sure why I even decided to post.

[krux]

LOL..people thinkng vettes are like OMG'z fast. I went to race shop a couple years back. The older guys go out there and race during the day at a landing strip that is no longer used. With this there was a 00 vette that was automatic. The guy he goes against was a 96 mustang GT 4.6 with catback, intake, udp. The mustang beats him. Later that day I asked the guy if he would be willing to go against my zx2(since its nothing to speical) the guy agreed to it saying yea lets do it next year..but you'll probably beat me. He even said his vette is not that great. Been in many vettes myself..the only one that got up and went decent was a 1994 ZR1 vette with the lotus motor. Now would I of won..who know's granted I went against a new GTO(Ls1 6 speed) last year and lost by 1.5-2 cars at 110..which is decent.

[Larka]

I don't think taking the back seats out shaves much weight, don't think there is all that much to them.

If you take the seat belts for the back out too, then you might get some weight out. One of the rear seat belts probably weighs more than most of the rear seats...

[zx2racer1990]

It was like a 1990 body style corvette. they really arent that fast. I really don't know if he just didn't know how to drive or what. I should also have said that i have not had my car dynoed, i have driven si's with 200 hp and mustang gt's with 300 hp. my zx2 feels about the same if not more powerfull than the si to me. all my mods arent in my sig, and i do have quite a bit of weight reduction, no spare tire, no back seat, alloy rims. Think about it guys befor you call me a liar. the zx2 was meant to replace the mustang. a modded zx2 SHOULD be able to at least keep up with an early 90 corvette.

Edit: I also got stomped by a new GTO, those things aren't any bigger than the z and he was modded(they got like 400 hp stock right?) I started it at a light and he finished it in second gear.

[2KZX2]

^you need stickers, they add soo much whp.
But seriously you need some more details, and get your car dynoed.

[NOBOTTLENOBOOST]

so are you running nitrous or turbo??

[dareall]

:goofy:
I thought the cheater thread was funny.

Seriously, with all those mods, its only the weight of all the BS that is holding this car back.

btw, don't the 98 instrument only read to 120 mph and are governed to barely over 110?:wacko:


just for the record, the probe was intended as a replacement for the mustang in the 80's. the mustang faithful said no way to a japanese mustang (probe = mazda mx6). mustang lives, probe is born. 93 probe 2nd gen named car of the year. 94 mustang is still not replaced, paces indy. 97, probe gets nixed by new ford chief Nasser. 97, ford no longer has small sporty 2-door. ZX2 is created to fill the gap as ford's economical sporty 2-door. ZX2 introduced in spring of 97 as 98 models.
i.e. just because the zx2 replaced the probe in fords lineup and the probe was intended to replace the mustang doesn't mean the zx2 was intended to replace the mustang.:flipa:

[krux]

04 GTO makes 350hp 05-06 make 400 hp. Different motors. Yet funny thing is I have seen 05-06 make less or same power at an 04 based on the stupid fly by wire

[ChrisK]

LOL..people thinkng vettes are like OMG'z fast.

I got a corvette that is OMG'z fast, wanna race? LOL

Pretty much the only vettes that were "slow" were some of the 70s, due to the crazy 70s emissions. and the mid-late 80s (stupid crossfire models). The 70s were the slowest (they were around 180hp stock) from the factory, running high 16s - and 17s, but exhaust upgrades are proven to add nearly 100hp. The 80s were the least popular and ugliest ones, they were still running mid-high 14s stock.

Then in 1990 that started to change.

1990 Chevrolet Corvette 5.7 14.3
1990 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.4 12.8
1991 Chevrolet Corvette L98 5.3 13.9
1991 Chevrolet Corvette Roadster 5.6 14.1
1992 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 5.7 14.1
1992 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 5.6 13.9
1993 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 5.3 13.9
1993 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 5.2 13.6
1994 Chevrolet Corvette LT1(auto) 5.5 14.1
1994 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.7 13.1
1995 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 5.2 13.7
1995 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.9 13.1
1996 Chevrolet Corvette Collectors' 4.9 13.3
1996 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport 4.7 13.3
1997 Chevrolet Corvette 4.7 13.3
1998 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible 5.1 13.5
1999 Chevrolet Corvette Hardtop 4.8 13.3
2001 Chevrolet Corvette C5-R 3.5 10.3
2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 4.6 13.0
2001 Chevrolet Corvette Coupe 4.8 13.1
2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 4.1 12.5
2002 Chevrolet Corvette (Lingenfelter 427 twin turbo) 1.97 9.24
2003 Chevrolet Corvette (50th Anniversary) Manual, 4.9 13.4 (R&T Aug. '02)
2005 Chevrolet Corvette C6 4.2 12.5 (chevrolet.com)
2006 Chevrolet Corvette ZO6 3.5 11.5 (MT Oct '05)
2007 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 3.7 11.8 (MT Oct '07 Vol. 59, NO. 10)

So yeah, if you can beat a stock corvette in your zx2 then you have a fast zx2. But even a slightly modded vette with I/E/H will pretty much destroy zx2s. sorry, its the facts.

I use to have a full bolt on zx2, and use to think it was fast.

[Larka]

I should also have said that i have not had my car dynoed, i have driven si's with 200 hp and mustang gt's with 300 hp. my zx2 feels about the same if not more powerfull than the si to me. all my mods arent in my sig, and i do have quite a bit of weight reduction, no spare tire, no back seat, alloy rims. Think about it guys befor you call me a liar. the zx2 was meant to replace the mustang. a modded zx2 SHOULD be able to at least keep up with an early 90 corvette.


You can't go off how your car feels to determine horsepower... I've driven a 1000hp Supra that "felt" slower than my ZX2- for the simple fact that it wasn't my car and I wasn't used to it.

It's hard to not call someone a liar when you say you have more mods than what's in your sig- yet don't tell anyone what you have. I can understand if you're afraid that we'll tell you that you have less than 200hp with your mods. And for future reference- taking out the back seat, the spare and having lighter wheels isn't "quite a bit" of weight reduction... There's people on here who barely have any interior at all. And even then- weight reduction is going to affect your time, but not horsepower. As for taking out your spare- I hope you have free roadside assistance. I love all the ricers who come in the shop on a tow truck because they have a flat or blowout and they don't have their spare.

[krux]

LOL chris..mine is not stock. I got stuff done to it so by no means is it stock. A car is only good as its driver. Ask ryan about how he seen a brand new z06 run high 13's-14's at the track. There is even a pic of a escort wagon i have getting the z06 off the line. Anything can be made fast..its just people ego's they can't get past that. So if i beat somebody because there a bad driver..i can't say i won the race???

By no means am i saying the original guy probably beat a vette. But there are members of us on here that could/can keep up with one. Just throw the point out there.

To add also that when i ment like omgz vettes are fast. Meaning if you just have a standard vette in certain years are not that quick. With this there is the speical version's of the vette that are no doubt fast. Reliable..probably not..but fast yes ;). Just want to clear this up too

[zx2cambo]

lol....dude is a newb and has no idea what he is talking about. HOORAY for stupidity

[4U2QUIK]

hooray

[zxtwou2]

You can't go off how your car feels to determine horsepower... I've driven a 1000hp Supra that "felt" slower than my ZX2- for the simple fact that it wasn't my car and I wasn't used to it.

It's hard to not call someone a liar when you say you have more mods than what's in your sig- yet don't tell anyone what you have. I can understand if you're afraid that we'll tell you that you have less than 200hp with your mods. And for future reference- taking out the back seat, the spare and having lighter wheels isn't "quite a bit" of weight reduction... There's people on here who barely have any interior at all. And even then- weight reduction is going to affect your time, but not horsepower. As for taking out your spare- I hope you have free roadside assistance. I love all the ricers who come in the shop on a tow truck because they have a flat or blowout and they don't have their spare.

like me....with 250 lbs of weight reduction WITH the backseat and carpet in? i'm at just under 300 lbs lighter than stock with the carpet and back seats/panels out. and all of that is good for an approximate 12 whopping horsepower equivilant gain. so backseats might actually yield a .01 hp advantage.
lol....dude is a newb and has no idea what he is talking about. HOORAY for stupidity

hooray

hip-hip....

[zxtwou2]

It was like a 1990 body style corvette. they really arent that fast. I really don't know if he just didn't know how to drive or what. I should also have said that i have not had my car dynoed, i have driven si's with 200 hp and mustang gt's with 300 hp. my zx2 feels about the same if not more powerfull than the si to me. all my mods arent in my sig, and i do have quite a bit of weight reduction, no spare tire, no back seat, alloy rims. Think about it guys befor you call me a liar. the zx2 was meant to replace the mustang. a modded zx2 SHOULD be able to at least keep up with an early 90 corvette.

Edit: I also got stomped by a new GTO, those things aren't any bigger than the z and he was modded(they got like 400 hp stock right?) I started it at a light and he finished it in second gear.

the reason the zx2 felt about the same as the civic is because we have low end torque. good luck making a zx2 "feel" like a 300 hp 'stang in the straights BTW.

[ChillinZX]

I had a 300hp stang, an 05 GT to be exact, after 120mph it kinda died out, Nissan 240's were creeping up on me. And factory times was 13.5 1/4 miles and I ran 14.1 just because it was my first rear wheel drive car. My ZX2 vs a stock GT Mustang after 120mph would be a good race.

[4U2QUIK]

zx2's have a killer torque band compared to a si also. It makes all the difference. But there's still no way a zx2 is going to take a vette. even in my supra I still have problems racing them.

[ChillinZX]

Horsepower doesn't mean anything when you face high wind speeds and fast turns. It's the Torque rating that pushes you through the wind and hold onto your rpms or even continue to climb in speed on high speed turns. Any low torque Honda will start seeing thier rpms get lower when they face wind or turns.

[ChillinZX]

The 99 Civic Si's may have 160hp (flywheel rating), but I've only seen them go 135mph no more. When my ZX2 had about 150hp (flywheel rating) I was doing 142mph. Go figure Torque ftw.

[4U2QUIK]

hp and tq don't have much to do with top speed. That's mostly gearing.

[powder]

This thread is awesome, i only read the first and last pages though.

[ChillinZX]

Gearing helps to an extent. You can't tell me a 100tq and a 2000lb rated car can go 150mph (unless your car is shaped like a bullet). If this was a race in space then its all about the gearing because there are no resistences except the nearest source of gravity. Just because our cars are geared to 155mph at 7000 rpm (mtx) doesnt mean we can go 155 mph stock. Civic Si's are geared to 165mph (I believe) at thier stock redline, but they can't push past 135mph because they lack the torque to do so.

[4U2QUIK]

This thread is awesome, i only read the first and last pages though.

it's been interesting.

[phosphite]

Which Si are you talking about. 2006+?

http://www.dragtimes.com/images_dyno/11282-2007-Honda-Civic-Dyno.jpg

^^ Stock dyno of a 2007 Si, the torque band is a lot flatter than my ZX2's ever was with mods, and it had more mods than the OP. Of course not the same weight reduction, I had to keep my back seat.

Can't go faster than 135mph? lol, this is an awesome thread, it keeps getting better too.

[zxtwou2]

Horsepower doesn't mean anything when you face high wind speeds and fast turns. It's the Torque rating that pushes you through the wind and hold onto your rpms or even continue to climb in speed on high speed turns. Any low torque Honda will start seeing thier rpms get lower when they face wind or turns.

wrong. torque accelerates you...you need massive horsepower to obtain top speeds....and aerodynamics. it can also be limited by gearing.

[4U2QUIK]

yep.

[RedRacer99]

yup... torque gets you up and moving, hp is just for top speeds. that's why most trucks will stomp your ass off the line but after first gear or so, you'll quickly pull ahead.

[ChrisK]

but they can't push past 135mph because they lack the torque to do so.

shouldn't have said that lol.

lets see, 99 si will go faster than that,

02-05 si will go faster than that.

and 06 si will go faster than that.

maybe the old 88-95 si's couldn't hit 135

another thing too, vtec hondas keep making power past redline, more rpm = more hp, until it blows up. ha. When my del sol was a daily it would see 9.5k rpm everyday at least 2-3 times a day, but I don't have a small amount of head work done too. Took it apart and went over everything, still looked great. oh and had PERFECT compression.

[ChrisK]

Which Si are you talking about. 2006+?

http://www.dragtimes.com/images_dyno/11282-2007-Honda-Civic-Dyno.jpg

^^ Stock dyno of a 2007 Si, the torque band is a lot flatter than my ZX2's ever was with mods, and it had more mods than the OP. Of course not the same weight reduction, I had to keep my back seat.

Can't go faster than 135mph? lol, this is an awesome thread, it keeps getting better too.

my tq curve looks just like that +100. flat tq curve FTMFW.

[phosphite]

My Si feels torqueless at times, but the HP it makes is awesome when it switches over at around 5.8k.

my tq curve looks just like that +100. flat tq curve FTMFW.
The ZX2's tq curve is pretty flat too, just not that flat stock from what I remember. I fucking love the MS3 torque how it's all down low, it makes it a true hooligan-mobile. I would've got one of those, but they didn't come in the shade of blue I liked ;)

[ChillinZX]

I was refering to the majority of the street racers I encounter which are the 99 Si's. It's amazing how many people don't read the whole posts when I was talking about a 1999 Civic Si a few posts up and think I'm talking about a 2007? Someone explain why rpms die when making a high speed turn. My ZX2 used to start slowing down at 130 making a wide turn but now it holds or even continues to accelerate past 130 when I went from 116whp and 110wtq to 135whp and 138wtq. I have more high rpm tq (due to the hi-torque intake cam) then hp. There are ZX2ner's out there with around 140whp and 130wtq who can't even get to 142mph when I can. My Mustang had a drop in tq at higher rpms but 300hp in upper rpms and it struggled after 130mph.

[4U2QUIK]

that's gearing on the stang.

[powder]

j0hnZ had 136 whp and 138 wtq not even full bolt on. You have less hp and the same tq as him w/ a cam?

[ChillinZX]

I'm not full bolt on. I never touched my MAF, TB, or IM

[NOBOTTLENOBOOST]

You only need torque to get you off the line the hp is for the long run at top speed..torque means nothing after you leave the line cause torque doesnt increase like hp it goes up fast until around 2000-2500 then evens out and stays within around 10-20 or so.. here is a link to a 200hp 157tq 2.3l ford focus dyno sheethttp://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129667&highlight=snuck

[powder]

I'm not full bolt on. I never touched my MAF, TB, or IM

Neither did he.

[zxtwou2]

^torque really does help once you are moving though...if you want to accelerate. you are right, torque is for acceleration and horsepower is for speed....but you still need torque. like when i autoX and leave it in 2nd around a hairpin...i can carry it through because of my low end torque, where most of the honda guys are downshifting.

[ford motorsports]

I had a 300hp stang, an 05 GT to be exact, after 120mph it kinda died out, Nissan 240's were creeping up on me. And factory times was 13.5 1/4 miles and I ran 14.1 just because it was my first rear wheel drive car. My ZX2 vs a stock GT Mustang after 120mph would be a good race.


ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stock GT vs a zx2 after 120, that would be funny. Without a power adder there would still be no chance. Don't get me wrong, but you are in 2 different car classes here. A bolt on ZX2 that without cams or power adder running a 14.8, that includes an awesome differential splitting launch, with the perfect weather conditions and VIT at the wheel. Wouldn't take a stock GT down at 120.

My stock 03 GT with everything stock with 1k on the odometer ran 14.1 at 99mph, with only 260 at the flywheel, it would pull to 150 with no problem.

The only thing I could think of is that your car had a automatic with the stock 3.08 gears and would be in OD at 120.

[NOBOTTLENOBOOST]

^torque really does help once you are moving though...if you want to accelerate. you are right, torque is for acceleration and horsepower is for speed....but you still need torque. like when i autoX and leave it in 2nd around a hairpin...i can carry it through because of my low end torque, where most of the honda guys are downshifting.

Yes this is true!!

[MrWeeyums]

My stock 03 GT with everything stock with 1k on the odometer ran 14.1 at 99mph, with only 260 at the flywheel, it would pull to 150 with no problem.


Check out the vid at 1:35.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Wagon-14-mile-runs_158104.htm
Heres a same gen GT running a 15.4. He ran a best of maybe 14.8 that day, but mostly low 15s. It does come down to the driver mod.
~Ryan

[ford motorsports]

Check out the vid at 1:35.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Wagon-14-mile-runs_158104.htm
Heres a same gen GT running a 15.4. He ran a best of maybe 14.8 that day, but mostly low 15s. It does come down to the driver mod.
~Ryan

Wow, that was lame. I did run a 15.8 @104 one time. LOL It was spin, spin, spin and then gone, but then I backed it up with a 13.6.

[ChillinZX]

I've had both cars at the same time and compared its 130-140mph acceleration, its almost the same (pretty slow)
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj315/Chillinzx/1029074755_l.jpg

[ZeeEcksTwo]

Retro styling = not so great aerodynamics. The mustang looks like/is a brick.

[ChillinZX]

Up to 100 the Mustang was great. Great looks, great burnouts, thats about it.