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LiveWire
07-30-2008, 08:07 AM
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24036736-7583,00.html


No smoking hot spot: David Evans | July 18, 2008
I DEVOTED six years to carbon accounting, building models for the Australian Greenhouse Office. I am the rocket scientist who wrote the carbon accounting model (FullCAM) that measures Australia's compliance with the Kyoto Protocol, in the land use change and forestry sector.

FullCAM models carbon flows in plants, mulch, debris, soils and agricultural products, using inputs such as climate data, plant physiology and satellite data. I've been following the global warming debate closely for years.

When I started that job in 1999 the evidence that carbon emissions caused global warming seemed pretty good: CO2 is a greenhouse gas, the old ice core data, no other suspects.

The evidence was not conclusive, but why wait until we were certain when it appeared we needed to act quickly? Soon government and the scientific community were working together and lots of science research jobs were created. We scientists had political support, the ear of government, big budgets, and we felt fairly important and useful (well, I did anyway). It was great. We were working to save the planet.

But since 1999 new evidence has seriously weakened the case that carbon emissions are the main cause of global warming, and by 2007 the evidence was pretty conclusive that carbon played only a minor role and was not the main cause of the recent global warming. As Lord Keynes famously said, "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"

There has not been a public debate about the causes of global warming and most of the public and our decision makers are not aware of the most basic salient facts:

1. The greenhouse signature is missing. We have been looking and measuring for years, and cannot find it.

Each possible cause of global warming has a different pattern of where in the planet the warming occurs first and the most. The signature of an increased greenhouse effect is a hot spot about 10km up in the atmosphere over the tropics. We have been measuring the atmosphere for decades using radiosondes: weather balloons with thermometers that radio back the temperature as the balloon ascends through the atmosphere. They show no hot spot. Whatsoever.

If there is no hot spot then an increased greenhouse effect is not the cause of global warming. So we know for sure that carbon emissions are not a significant cause of the global warming. If we had found the greenhouse signature then I would be an alarmist again.

When the signature was found to be missing in 2007 (after the latest IPCC report), alarmists objected that maybe the readings of the radiosonde thermometers might not be accurate and maybe the hot spot was there but had gone undetected. Yet hundreds of radiosondes have given the same answer, so statistically it is not possible that they missed the hot spot.

Recently the alarmists have suggested we ignore the radiosonde thermometers, but instead take the radiosonde wind measurements, apply a theory about wind shear, and run the results through their computers to estimate the temperatures. They then say that the results show that we cannot rule out the presence of a hot spot. If you believe that you'd believe anything.

2. There is no evidence to support the idea that carbon emissions cause significant global warming. None. There is plenty of evidence that global warming has occurred, and theory suggests that carbon emissions should raise temperatures (though by how much is hotly disputed) but there are no observations by anyone that implicate carbon emissions as a significant cause of the recent global warming.

3. The satellites that measure the world's temperature all say that the warming trend ended in 2001, and that the temperature has dropped about 0.6C in the past year (to the temperature of 1980). Land-based temperature readings are corrupted by the "urban heat island" effect: urban areas encroaching on thermometer stations warm the micro-climate around the thermometer, due to vegetation changes, concrete, cars, houses. Satellite data is the only temperature data we can trust, but it only goes back to 1979. NASA reports only land-based data, and reports a modest warming trend and recent cooling. The other three global temperature records use a mix of satellite and land measurements, or satellite only, and they all show no warming since 2001 and a recent cooling.

4. The new ice cores show that in the past six global warmings over the past half a million years, the temperature rises occurred on average 800 years before the accompanying rise in atmospheric carbon. Which says something important about which was cause and which was effect.

None of these points are controversial. The alarmist scientists agree with them, though they would dispute their relevance.

The last point was known and past dispute by 2003, yet Al Gore made his movie in 2005 and presented the ice cores as the sole reason for believing that carbon emissions cause global warming. In any other political context our cynical and experienced press corps would surely have called this dishonest and widely questioned the politician's assertion.

Until now the global warming debate has merely been an academic matter of little interest. Now that it matters, we should debate the causes of global warming.

So far that debate has just consisted of a simple sleight of hand: show evidence of global warming, and while the audience is stunned at the implications, simply assert that it is due to carbon emissions.

In the minds of the audience, the evidence that global warming has occurred becomes conflated with the alleged cause, and the audience hasn't noticed that the cause was merely asserted, not proved.

If there really was any evidence that carbon emissions caused global warming, don't you think we would have heard all about it ad nauseam by now?

The world has spent $50 billion on global warming since 1990, and we have not found any actual evidence that carbon emissions cause global warming. Evidence consists of observations made by someone at some time that supports the idea that carbon emissions cause global warming. Computer models and theoretical calculations are not evidence, they are just theory.

What is going to happen over the next decade as global temperatures continue not to rise? The Labor Government is about to deliberately wreck the economy in order to reduce carbon emissions. If the reasons later turn out to be bogus, the electorate is not going to re-elect a Labor government for a long time. When it comes to light that the carbon scare was known to be bogus in 2008, the ALP is going to be regarded as criminally negligent or ideologically stupid for not having seen through it. And if the Liberals support the general thrust of their actions, they will be seen likewise.

The onus should be on those who want to change things to provide evidence for why the changes are necessary. The Australian public is eventually going to have to be told the evidence anyway, so it might as well be told before wrecking the economy.

Dr David Evans was a consultant to the Australian Greenhouse Office from 1999 to 2005.

Buster
07-30-2008, 09:09 AM
Yep. :)

capitalcrew
07-30-2008, 09:52 AM
Werd.

You'll have people insulting you for this, fyi.

Buster
07-30-2008, 09:55 AM
But not people with the ability to think on their own, so it's OK.

capitalcrew
07-30-2008, 09:58 AM
Lol. So thats where the negative rep came from. Haha.

I have no further comment. LOL.

Buster
07-30-2008, 10:01 AM
Yeah, it apparently came from one comment some day when a certain guy had PMS. :rofl:


Without that -666,666 hit, I'd actually have a pretty good score if I cared. :D

Gregersonke
07-30-2008, 10:24 AM
Can we also note the effects of water on global warming? Everyone is measuring the temperatures of the air rather than sea and glacier.

Earth is heavily abundant in water with 80 percent of the surface being covered by it. Why didn't they check there first?

JonsZX2SR
07-30-2008, 10:48 AM
It is all very good that people have these discussions, but some of the ideas are based on false assumptions or missing information.

those who deny global warming overlook plenty of information about climate change. They also overlook that temperatures continue to rise despite simultaneous global dimming (http://www.globalissues.org/EnvIssues/GlobalWarming/globaldimming.asp).

In this post I'll reference a lecture made by Steven Chu, Director of the Lawrence Berkeley national labs and a Nobel laureate. Yesterday I had lunch with and attended a lecture by Dr. Chu (http://www.lbl.gov/Publications/Director/bio.html), "The Energy Problem and How We Might Solve It (http://www.lbl.gov/Publications/Director/assets/docs/10_11_2007_CAS_Beijing-1.pdf)" which was originally peresnted in 2007. The lecture contains information that might be of interest.

In the following post I'll reference global dimming. I'll hit on only some of the topics due to lack of time, but I urge people to look at this presentation. There is more in the reference than just evidence of global warming, but some of the other information might be of value for discussion.

Slide 8: Variations in earth surface temperature over the past 140 years.
Slide 9: While temperatures follow cyclic variations, we are off the chart in terms of CO2 level in the atmosphere.
Slide 10: Dramatic increase of greenhouse gases since the industrial revolution.
Slide 13: Recent deforestation of British Colombia pine forests.
Slide 16: Arctic polar cap melting data
Slide 21 : Human development vs. Energy consumption. (Success occurs at a much lower level of consumption. Excess is waste.)
Slide 23: Projected CO2 content of the atmosphere. (recognize that current 380 ppm level is off the chart relative to past 400,000 years.)
Slide 25: California electricity consumption since product requirements were established in the early 1970's.
Slide 26: Efficiency standards actually make refrigerators less expensive to produce, since better insulation allows smaller costly components (motor, compressor, heat exchanger) even as volume increases.

Slide 26 is compelling evidence that the notion that environmental efficiency will wreck our economy. If anything conservation will reduce pressure on expensive upgrades to our infrastructure.

Slide 32-33: Increased efficiency is an affordable and effective way to get more energy from expensive resources.
Slide 34: 67% of the worlds coal is held by 4 nations. the US is first with 27%.
Slide 36: Regulation stimulates innovation and efficiency. (Refer to slide 26.)
Slide 37: Energy efficient buildings could reduce energy consumption and lower operating costs. (This is a major area of interest where I work.)
Slide 38: Worldwide auto fuel economy standards.
Slide 42: A limited part (black areas) of the world (due to water, temp, light limitations) are available for efficient agriculture. There is no guarantee that climate change would replace as much land as is lost. If we move warmer areas to higher latitudes, light density decreases relative to close to the equator, for example.

Slide 47: Better agriculture (and synthetic ammonia based fertilizers) increased grain yield per acre 6 to 8X since 1960 which helped avert starvation.
Slide 48-51: There are better sources of cellulose and methods for production of ethanol than corn.
Slide 55-56: Biotechnology can provide a much less expensive means for synthesis of drugs.

One topic we discussed that is not in the presentation is what happens if the arctic permafrost melts ?? there is a lot of frozen biomass in the arctic regions. Permafrost is melting. If this stuff starts to decay, it will put a lot of frozen carbon back into the atmosphere. This is a problem in that it provides positive feedback to global warming and accelerates the greenhouse effect.

Rather than just listen to the doom and gloom predictions of someone who fears change, consider benefits of implementing more efficient technology.

JonsZX2SR
07-30-2008, 01:19 PM
The second part of the post involves the idea of global dimming (http://www.globalissues.org/EnvIssues/GlobalWarming/globaldimming.asp) where pollutants in the atmosphere reflect solar energy back into space before it warms the earth. One would expect global dimming to reduce world temperatures. If you combine the effects of global dimming and the greenhose effect, you come to the opposite conclusion than the deniers of global warming want you to believe. The greenhouse effect from global warming may be worse than anticipated because of reduced heating.

LiveWire
07-30-2008, 01:29 PM
The article I linked shows that many false assumptions are being made in regards to global warming cause and effect. Mainly there is the assumption that CO2 being a green house gas and CO2 level being high means global warming is caused by rising CO2 levels. What if we take drastic measures to lower carbon levels and global warming continues? The efforts would need to be drastic by the US since other nation publicly prioritize their economy over the environment.

I am not condoning the waste of energy. I feel that steps should be taken in all aspects of life for conservation. However, I see a greater and greater shift toward environment prioritized over economy. I threw this sentence in the middle of the last paragraph to see if you are actually reading my response. It scares me to think that there may be over zealous things done that will drastically harm our economy in the name of the environment.

mechtech
07-30-2008, 02:40 PM
Thanks Live Wire!
This is why the World Panel that was assembled about a year ago did not come to a universal conclusion.
The group chief was convinced that nothing out of the ordinary could be proven, and the subject was highly POLITICALly motivated.
It broadcast on 20-20

JonsZX2SR
07-30-2008, 02:48 PM
Where I find fault with the article you linked is that it oversimplifies the problem, claims evidence is lacking in one area, then jumps to the conclusion that we shouldn't worry about CO2 emissions and dealing with it will wreck our economy.

As you may figure out, I have a more than a casual interest in this. The visit from Dr. Chu was for business reasons and there are more opportunities than liabilities from an economic standpoint.

1. David Evans cites the absence of one signature, a hot spot in the atmosphere at 10 km elevation over the tropics. Other evidence, in particular thermal imaging on the night side of the earth indicate loss of heat by thermal radiation is reduced due to greenhouse gases, heat retention is increasing and modeling atmosphewres with lower CO2 in the past indicates less of a greenhouse effect in the past. If you look at slide 11, the data does support the notion that the greenhouse effect is real.

2. The CO2 content in the atmosphere is off the chart at 380 ppm and warming of the permafrost in the arctic regions will promote decay of previously frozen biomass there and increase CO2 emissions. Applying just the evidence of permafrost melting, decrease of the polar icecaps and deforestaion of British Columbia refutes Dr. Evans assertion that global warming is not happening.

3. There is other evidence of climate change we discussed yesterday (that is not in this presentation) which shows deforestation and loss of snow cover in the Sierra Nevadas. Melting of recurring snow in the Sierra Nevada mountains provides water for much of california. If both snow and forests are lost, the water in the form of rainfall will run off faster with less efficient retention. The net effect is a decrease of already precious water in CA. The effect has already been measured over the past 30 years. If i can get permission to provide a public link I will.

4. The biggest problem I have with Dr. Evans article is he assumes that improved efficiency requirements, etc. will wreck the economy. What he misses with his arguments is there are other benefits and gains from conservation and change. The example of the refrigerators is one example. Companies can't sell old style refirgerators any more because they cost more to build and use more energy. No one wants them.

5. Slide 21 is compelling in that it shows there is little economic benefit above a fairly low threshold of electricity use. this contradicts Evans claim of economic catastrophe, since above this threshold those who conserve have more left over for economic growth than those who do not.

Evans argues that conservation is not necessary, therefore we don't have to reduce CO2 emissions (which directly reduces fuel consumption.) What he misses is that there are other benefits and even if the greenhouse effect is less than expected, there still are benefits in terms of reduced energy use, reduced energy costs, lower cost to maintian infrastructure.

I agree that the evidence is not 100% conclusive. However there is much more evidence that we are experiencing a climate shift than not. The link to Dr. Chu's presentation link cites many examples. Just because one observation doesn't support global warming or the magnitude is not what is expected doesn't negate the rest of the evidence.

Dr. Evan practices bad science in concluding that the entire range of changes is invalid due to one set of data and he practices bad economics by jumping to the conclusion that efficiency changes automatically constitute a disadvantage. Examples of the opposite are given in Dr. Chu's presentation.

Those who listen to his one track argument wind up at a competitive disadvantage vs. those who change technology. He completely misses the point. This is an opportunity more than a problem. The question is how many will seize the opportunity ??