Go FAST parts!

[ChrisK]

Just installed this, got rid of the crappy plastic bpv:
http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/images/FMDVMAZ3.jpg

Just ordered for the mazdaspeed:

COBB short ram intake
http://corksport.com/store/image/2k1ai/MS3_Engine_COBB_Tuning_SF_Intake_System.jpg

Corksport DP
http://corksport.com/store/image/1vlnx/MS3_Engine_CorkSport_Power_Series_Mazdaspeed_3_Dow npipe.jpg

Corksport Race pipe
http://corksport.com/store/image/1zlvo/MS3_Engine_CorkSport_Power_Series_Mazdaspeed_3_Rac e_Pipe.jpg

and

TRZ Dogbone

http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/images/MS3Mount.JPG

Should be a net gain of 60-80hp and 70-90tq to the wheels! I'm excited!

next will be Cobb Front mount IC, PG turbo manifold, COBB AccessPort.

[TheCrazyGuy]

I doubt highly that you are going to net anywhere close to 80 hp to the wheels but those are good modifications.

[ChrisK]

I doubt highly that you are going to net anywhere close to 80 hp to the wheels but those are good modifications.

obviously you don't know how restricted this car is. :)

[ChrisK]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u65/aaronc7/Mazdaspeed%203/IMG_2684.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u65/aaronc7/Mazdaspeed%203/IMG_2681.jpg

[TheCrazyGuy]

obviously you don't know how restricted this car is. :)

I probably don't. Maybe some pics of that DP and cat are in order? :wiggle:

[scort2498]

yea im not seeing 80 horses outta that.

[scort2498]

that dog bone may add an extra 30 horses alont now that i look at it.

[ChrisK]

that dog bone may add an extra 30 horses alont now that i look at it.

pff, dogbone adds 150hp duh.

and maybe the hp number should be closer to 60hp, reason I put 60-80. The tq number is pretty much on though.

Oh and didn't add that i'm upping boost to 18-19lbs, instead of stock 15.7.

so yeah this is deff reachable.

[ChrisK]

oh and this car has 2 cats as well. both heavily restrictive. Now does the numbers look a little better?

[scort2498]

yea u shoulda added the boost thing..

[TheCrazyGuy]

yea u shoulda added the boost thing..

x60-80

.1bar is only good for about 15 horses. Hopefully those two cats being reduced will have an exponential effect on the power.

I look forward to the dynos either way.

[1981gMachine]

The mazdaspeed intake nets 30hp at the flywheel. It's also known the stock bov leaks. Watched a vid comparing the 2 and an aftermarket bov netted 28hp at the wheels. These speed3s gain power quick when you replace stock parts.

BOV video > http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Synchronic-BOV-Mazdaspeed_156202.htm

[zxtuner98]

modding turbo cars for the win!

[99fordzx2]

Wow great vid. Im liking that company with every vid they put out. Oh and keep the pics coming on that Mazda. Im loving the prgress your making. Keep it up.


-D

[Slick]

youll like that bov, my buddy has a forge on his evo and it sounds mean

[TheCrazyGuy]

Why the fuck would the factory install a leaky BOV?

And why the fuck did that car's owner put regular unleaded in his tank and say that he got "bad gas" which octane booster immediately fixed?

[1981gMachine]

Why the fuck would the factory install a leaky BOV?

And why the fuck did that car's owner put regular unleaded in his tank and say that he got "bad gas" which octane booster immediately fixed?

Maybe cuz it's plastic? Maybe he went to a mom and pop gas station which are know for poor gas? Octane booster will level out the gas octane, they never said how much of it they put in.

Why are you doubting the ms3? The ms3 has proven itself plenty worthy by many people. Whether it be handling or power, etc..

[ChrisK]

The power to be obtained on this car is incredible, Mazda restricted the fuck out of it.

Power gains with just bolt-ons on pretty much every turbo factory car is great. It makes modding worth it!

I can get more power out of 2 bolt-ons than I ever dreamed about getting out of a fully bolted zx2 :-p

[TheCrazyGuy]

Maybe cuz it's plastic? Maybe he went to a mom and pop gas station which are know for poor gas? Octane booster will level out the gas octane, they never said how much of it they put in.

Why are you doubting the ms3? The ms3 has proven itself plenty worthy by many people. Whether it be handling or power, etc..

Okay, I'll play.

Why the fuck did Mazda install a shitty plastic BOV?

And if those dudes loved the car so much, why did they put lower octane gas in it?

I'm not doubting the car, I have no idea where you got that idea. I'm wondering as I'm sure you have at one time or another why they didn't just use a quality BOV. And you should wonder why the car needed octane booster other than the "bad gas" story. Regular unleaded seems like the more likely culprit.

[ChrisK]

Okay, I'll play.

Why the fuck did Mazda install a shitty plastic BOV?

And if those dudes loved the car so much, why did they put lower octane gas in it?

I'm not doubting the car, I have no idea where you got that idea. I'm wondering as I'm sure you have at one time or another why they didn't just use a quality BOV. And you should wonder why the car needed octane booster other than the "bad gas" story. Regular unleaded seems like the more likely culprit.

I'm sure that the plastic bov idea was to keep costs down. They wanted a affordable "pocket rocket", Mazda's "wild child".

What other car has the power, handling, and features that this one does for around 21k new? (paid 22,500 for my GT model with sat radio and pearl paint option)

[Escort Pimp]

What other car has the power, handling, and features that this one does for around 21k new? (paid 22,500 for my GT model with sat radio and pearl paint option)
Cobalt SS and its faster

[1981gMachine]

Cobalt SS and its faster

haha that's a good joke

[TheCrazyGuy]

Cobalt SS and its faster

?! :puke:

[ChrisK]

Cobalt SS and its faster

lol it wishes it was faster.

[ChrisK]

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/features_classic_cars/2008_chevrolet_cobalt_ss_faces_four_forced_inducti on_fours_and_a_high_rpm_honda_feature+page-7.html

Mazdaspeed wins again and that's with "no lift" shifting and launch control! Put a WOT box on the mazda to gain those features and it would be total destruction. lol poor chevy.
Can you say TOP 10 BEST CARS IN THE WORLD for the 3rd time in a row? Maybe so.

[ChrisK]

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=117762/pageId=106162

Here's a comparison to the SC model. At least they made it faster with the turbo.

[Manbearpig]

Can you say TOP 10 BEST CARS IN THE WORLD for the 3rd time in a row? Maybe so.

That's a mighty bold statement there. I HIGHLY doubt that is true...by any means.

[Manbearpig]

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u134/chrism623/funny/tbthog.jpg

:lol:

[ChrisK]

You don't read car and driver?

[ChrisK]

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/pdf/press_release/2008_ms3_mx5_CD10best.pdf

reality is a bitch :)

[ChrisK]

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/best_worst_lists/top_10_hooligan_cars_feature/2008_mazdaspeed_3_feature

another one

Here's the 2007 top 10 list
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/best_worst_lists/2007_10best_cars_10best_cars/2007_mazdaspeed_3_10best_cars

and the 2008 top ten list
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/best_worst_lists/2008_10best_cars_10best_cars/2008_mazdaspeed_3_10best_cars

and since the car is coming in 09 as well, they expect it to appear on that list as well.

[ChrisK]

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u134/chrism623/funny/tbthog.jpg

:lol:

that's good, Using that as a sig now, since it is pretty much true :alienanana:

[ChrisK]

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/hatchbacks/2007_mazdaspeed_3_vs_2008_subaru_impreza_wrx_2008_ volvo_c30_t5_comparison_test

[ChrisK]

I can keep going! :)

[1981gMachine]

You should just dyno it chris to really prove them wrong.

[ChrisK]

Yeah I know, they have no faith haha.

[Buster]

ChrisK, you need to shrink that sig picture.

[Manbearpig]

Car and drivers 10 best list hardly shows its best in the world.

And you have obviously proved C&D had a massive hard on for the car. How about you show us something outside of a magazine? I can pull up some articles of SuperStreet saying how great civic hatches are too. :lol:

And yes, sink your sig please.

[ChrisK]

Car and drivers 10 best list hardly shows its best in the world.

And you have obviously proved C&D had a massive hard on for the car. How about you show us something outside of a magazine? I can pull up some articles of SuperStreet saying how great civic hatches are too. :lol:

And yes, sink your sig please.

What you want to see? I know you won't be satisfied. I can post a shit load of reviews, and vs other cars.

Here goes: (you'll like these 2 since it's kicking the wrx's ass both times)
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/wagon/112_0611_sport_wagon_and_sedan_comparison/index.html

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=128908

http://www.scoobyblog.com/2007-08-14/2008-subaru-impreza-wrx-vs-2007-mazdaspeed-3-comparison

But since car and driver, motortrend, and edmunds apparently aren't creditable enough for you, then who is?

Oh and I'm sure that the civic hatches in superstreet are great. What? The word civic and great can't go together?

[ChrisK]

I figured the car would get a little more praise in these parts. since it comes from a company that is part owned by ford.

Oh well. Everyone that has doubts needs to just ride in one and it will change your mind.

[ChrisK]

Car and drivers 10 best list hardly shows its best in the world.

And you have obviously proved C&D had a massive hard on for the car. How about you show us something outside of a magazine? I can pull up some articles of SuperStreet saying how great civic hatches are too. :lol:

And yes, sink your sig please.

Manbearpig, it's all fun and games, I have respect to the wrx, I'm just giving you a hard time. A lot of people don't know about the mazdaspeed, I spent close to 6 months trying to decide if I wanted a Mazdaspeed 3, a wrx, a civic si, or a semi-used evo.

One thing I do know about this car is that someone that doesn't know how to drive it will run mid 15 second 1/4miles. Powerband is from around 2800 to 5700. At 6k it completely falls on it's face. (due to mazda closing the throttle plate completely at 6k) Of course the Cobb AP gets rid of that. With that said, a good driver will get high 13s to low 14s 1/4mile times all day long, stock.

I told myself I wouldn't mod it, but I can't own a turbo car and not put bolt-ons on it haha.

[Manbearpig]

I gonna take down a few arguments here in 1 post.

1) Comparing the 08 WRX to the MS3 is dumb. One is AWD one is FWD. The MS3 should be put against other FWD cars in its class...IE GTI and Mini Cooper S. Through the turbo Cobalt in there also. Of course the FWD car with more power and mucho less drivetrane loss will tear it apart in a straight line...and the WRX's suspension is even more joke worthy.

2) The 08 WRX is a joke. I expect every semi fast car out there to beat it in any magazine test. Subaru tried to turn the car into more mainstream...and it doing so failed. Thankfully what we hear about the 09 is a complete turn around towards the drivers car. The STI is thankfully more of an improvement but still falls short IMO and many other Subaru guys eyes.

3) A bone stock MS3 is not running high 13's stock. MAYBE on DR's but that's a big maybe. All the mag tests show it running low 14's....lowest I have seen is 14.1...and these guys beat the shit outta launching the cars. Hell they can get the STI to run mid 13's stock...which is a feat in itself. No 'regular' driver is going to repeatably produce sub 14 quarter mile times in a stock MS3.

4) Your car falls flat on its face after 6k just like every other 4 cylinder turbo. It's made to produce all its power low to mid range...no upper end. My car does it...you car does it...GTI does it. It's not the throttle plate..its the engine/tune/turbo.

5) Many people do respect your MS3. But when you are coming across like you are now don't expect the zx2 board to back you up. Act like your car the best thing out there and your just going to get ignored. If you want to brag it up about your sweet parts you just got and show us all how your car is the sweetest thing in the world according to edmunds, c&d etc...go do it on the MS forums. They will feed into much more then we will.

6) I don't have a WRX so I don't care about all this WRX data you are throwing at me.

Now lets see if you can answer this in less then 2 posts lol :beer:

[Escort Pimp]

wait for it

[Escort Pimp]

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/features_classic_cars/2008_chevrolet_cobalt_ss_faces_four_forced_inducti on_fours_and_a_high_rpm_honda_feature+page-7.html

Mazdaspeed wins again and that's with "no lift" shifting and launch control! Put a WOT box on the mazda to gain those features and it would be total destruction. lol poor chevy.
Can you say TOP 10 BEST CARS IN THE WORLD for the 3rd time in a row? Maybe so.
Ok magazine racer, check this out
The 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS uses up just 5.8 seconds accelerating to 60 mph, and it goes through the quarter-mile in 14 seconds flat at 103.6 mph. This is a night-and-day improvement over the supercharged Cobalt SS, which couldn't break 7 seconds for 60 mph and ran a 15.2-second quarter at 95.6 mph. In fact, the '08 Cobalt SS is, for the moment, the quickest car you can buy under $25,000.

Even the Mazdaspeed 3 can't keep pace with this Cobalt, as the two examples we've tested posted quarter-mile times of 14.2 seconds at 100.1 mph and 14.5 at 98.7 mph. The Chevy's main advantage is that it weighs 200 pounds less. Also, you can upshift in the SS without lifting.


http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=125288


I also lol that you think ANY fwd car would be in any real "Top Ten Cars In the World" list

[Manbearpig]

Guess he gave up...lol

*High five Escort Pimp* :beer:

[Beodude123]

Mazda put a small turbo in the Mazdaspeed 6 and 3. It runs out of steam past 5,500. It's a physical limitation of the turbo. It's what you get for having a responsive turbo car.

Still, I wouldn't mind having one, 5,500 funline or not.

[ChrisK]

Mazda put a small turbo in the Mazdaspeed 6 and 3. It runs out of steam past 5,500. It's a physical limitation of the turbo. It's what you get for having a responsive turbo car.

Still, I wouldn't mind having one, 5,500 funline or not.

that's not the reason it runs out of steam. Dunno why mazda did it but the throttle plate closes there. The COBB Access point cures this, as well as CP-Es standback. So it's something that is solved by tuning.

[ChrisK]

Guess he gave up...lol

*High five Escort Pimp* :beer:

lol I love fucking with this board, everyone gets all defensive, it's great :supernana:

[ChrisK]

I gonna take down a few arguments here in 1 post.

1) Comparing the 08 WRX to the MS3 is dumb. One is AWD one is FWD. The MS3 should be put against other FWD cars in its class...IE GTI and Mini Cooper S. Through the turbo Cobalt in there also. Of course the FWD car with more power and mucho less drivetrane loss will tear it apart in a straight line...and the WRX's suspension is even more joke worthy.

2) The 08 WRX is a joke. I expect every semi fast car out there to beat it in any magazine test. Subaru tried to turn the car into more mainstream...and it doing so failed. Thankfully what we hear about the 09 is a complete turn around towards the drivers car. The STI is thankfully more of an improvement but still falls short IMO and many other Subaru guys eyes.

3) A bone stock MS3 is not running high 13's stock. MAYBE on DR's but that's a big maybe. All the mag tests show it running low 14's....lowest I have seen is 14.1...and these guys beat the shit outta launching the cars. Hell they can get the STI to run mid 13's stock...which is a feat in itself. No 'regular' driver is going to repeatably produce sub 14 quarter mile times in a stock MS3.

4) Your car falls flat on its face after 6k just like every other 4 cylinder turbo. It's made to produce all its power low to mid range...no upper end. My car does it...you car does it...GTI does it. It's not the throttle plate..its the engine/tune/turbo.

5) Many people do respect your MS3. But when you are coming across like you are now don't expect the zx2 board to back you up. Act like your car the best thing out there and your just going to get ignored. If you want to brag it up about your sweet parts you just got and show us all how your car is the sweetest thing in the world according to edmunds, c&d etc...go do it on the MS forums. They will feed into much more then we will.

6) I don't have a WRX so I don't care about all this WRX data you are throwing at me.

Now lets see if you can answer this in less then 2 posts lol :beer:

Man I don't have to prove anything to you. I know for a fact that there are a few cars running sub 14s stock, i've seen one in person at the track. Running consistent 13.8s

I don't think it's the sweetest thing in the world. I know that there are a shitload of cars faster than the ms3, the car is far from God.

My original post was just to show how restricted this car really is and my excitement about modding MY car. I had no intentions for fuckers to come and "TRY" to pick this thread apart and try to discredit me, so what.

I should have known better anyway, ZX2s are the real god of cars. This community hasn't changed since I owned a zx2 in 2000.

[krux]

Man I don't have to prove anything to you. I know for a fact that there are a few cars running sub 14s stock, i've seen one in person at the track. Running consistent 13.8s

I don't think it's the sweetest thing in the world. I know that there are a shitload of cars faster than the ms3, the car is far from God.

My original post was just to show how restricted this car really is and my excitement about modding MY car. I had no intentions for fuckers to come and "TRY" to pick this thread apart and try to discredit me, so what.

I should have known better anyway, ZX2s are the real god of cars. This community hasn't changed since I owned a zx2 in 2000.


Yikes. Don't get all butt hurt since they threw legitimate facts at you. The ms3 is a good car, but I seen a lot of flaws with it. For one its not the prettiest of them all the I would say the ms6 is a lot better looking. The cars are ungodly expensive to fix with these Mazda's. They have more tsb's then a zx2 does out there so they must be from the touch of god. I like my mazda6 I own but to be honest..I think for dollar the zx2 is better. I am happy that your getting your car modded though. Turbo cars are fun for sure. This is a great DD.

[ilarson007]

All I'm going to say is that he is probably right about these modifications, because look at what we do to our ZX2's to make them faster that won't work on other cars... POTS, knocker mod, etc...

And I really love the MSP3. As far as I can tell at least. I've never gotten to drive one. Come to think of it, I've never even gotten to drive a turbo'd car. The fastest thing I've driven is a stock Firebird Formula.

Any way, nice car, and nice mods. Hope everything works out like you plan!

[Manbearpig]

that's not the reason it runs out of steam. Dunno why mazda did it but the throttle plate closes there. The COBB Access point cures this, as well as CP-Es standback. So it's something that is solved by tuning.

How many of us need to tell you. It's the turbo size + smaller engine + tune = no upper end. The throttle may do something but its not the reason why it has no steam past 5500. Maybe I can help.

Look at Cobb's Dyno graph...I even enlarged it for you so maybe you will understand.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u134/chrism623/cobbpower.png

Wow...look at that massive shift in the power curve. :rofl:

The Cobb map makes more power but the car still falls flat on its face at about the same time the OEM tune does. Welcome to the world of 4 cylinder turbos.

[Escort Pimp]

Welcome to the world of 4 cylinder turbos.
OEM anyways...

[ZX2guy19]

I know that right out of college, I'm getting an MS3.