Drug Dealer

[J-Dizzle!]

So my brother recently got addicted to heroin and has gotten caught. Long story short he's clean now and even joining the army (swearing in tomorrow actually).

He recently confessed to me that my ex, who no joke is a crazy coke-head aggressive stalker who has threatened violence on me and the people I've dated (what a winner huh?), was the one who first got my brother into the drugs and then began selling to him....

This guy has a few criminal charges on his record and is on probation right now. I want him to get in trouble with the law for everything he's put me and my brother through. He deserves it.

Frankly, however, I'm pretty scared of him and I DO NOT want him to know that it was my brother or I that got him in trouble.

I don't even know if there is anything I can do but I know you guys are creative and some of you are even pretty savvy with the law. If you have advice or have been in a similar situation before can you spare some much-wanted advice?

Thanks guys.

[autox_zx2]

in all honesty i have been in almost the EXACT same situation. I would highly recommend not 2 try 2 get him in trouble. It sounds like ur bro is cool and clean now, u don't have contact with him, and he's not a threat anymore. If any of that is incorrect, then the situation is different. Just walk away from everything that has 2 do with this guy is the only thing i could think 2 tell u....

[J-Dizzle!]

The thing in he still calls me out of the blue. He calls me from different numbers cause he knows I won't answer if I know it's him. I have to go out of my way to make sure he doesn't know where I work or live which hasn't worked in the past... he's just shown up despite my best efforts to make sure he doesn't know.

I'm just worried cause he knows where my family lives and can probably guess when I'm visiting them... I guess what I'm trying to say is I still feel threatened by him. I'd feel better if Andrew was with me but he's out of state now cause of the Marines.

[ZX2 Sleeper]

i have cousin who messed with that crap and are finnaly both clean after ten years of that shit. ur x will deffinitely have it come to an end... he will eventually get caught. if u feel so threatened.... get a restraining order on him.

[J-Dizzle!]

I've been through the restraining order business with my friend and you need a lot more than random creepy phone calls every few months unfortunately.

Even if I did get a restraining order the only thing it would do is piss him off more... he has no regard for the law or his own well-being when he's mad.

[CraZx2ing]

So what are you wanting to do? Frame him? Are we all going to be accessories and conspirators to a crime?

Just curious...

[J-Dizzle!]

Lol how can you frame someone who is guilty?

The only thing I can think of to do is call the cops and tell them but I don't think there's much the cops can do with that information... it takes a lot more than anonymous calls these days to get the cops riled up, especially in a big city like Phoenix where their big concerns are the gangs and illegal immigrants bringing in drugs.

[CraZx2ing]

I've called the cops and said "Hey, the next door neighbors are smoking pot in the front yard and dealing out in the open in broad daylight right now" multiple times and they just shrugged it off each time...

Good luck getting the cops to do anything. He would have to be caught red handed for something to happen. Its just your word against his until a cop catching him being bad. You can call tip lines and stuff and report all you want. Eventually his poor decisions will catch up with him and he will end up dead or in prison.

[J-Dizzle!]

Yeah I know. Or he'll end up getting other kids addicted and possibly killing them in the process. Either way he's screwing with their lives horribly.

I just take it so personally because I DATED this guy... he knew it was my little brother.

I don't know if any of you have siblings but if this happened to your family that you feel responsible for would you just want to sit back and let things like that slide?

[CraZx2ing]

Why do you feel responsible for your ex's actions? You are not his Mom, you are not his girlfriend or wife, you are just another person sharing the world together. He is not the first or last drug dealer. You just happen to have dated him.

There really isn't a way to just solve this. This isn't a little brother getting picked on in school so the big brother beats up the other kid kind of thing. You could probably call some of your boys to go beat him up in the street or something, but then you are no better than he is. You might even be able to track a gun for hire down if you are that desperate.

I'm really not sure what you are looking for in advice. I guess I could google for some hotlines for you? Maybe counseling is an option? Or are you just venting to get this off your chest?

[scort2498]

i wold call the cops ask to speak to the drug department and say hey if u wanna take down a known drug dealer here he is this is his name and this is how u get ahold of him... and tell em whats going on and they might sting him.

[SMusser]

Around here we have an organization called "Crime Stoppers". They have a line set up so you can reports crimes or dealers without ever having to talk to a person and it is strictly confidential. I would suggest trying to find a program like that in your area...

Its worth a shot at least.

[J-Dizzle!]

Why do you feel responsible for your ex's actions? You are not his Mom, you are not his girlfriend or wife, you are just another person sharing the world together. He is not the first or last drug dealer. You just happen to have dated him.

There really isn't a way to just solve this. This isn't a little brother getting picked on in school so the big brother beats up the other kid kind of thing. You could probably call some of your boys to go beat him up in the street or something, but then you are no better than he is. You might even be able to track a gun for hire down if you are that desperate.

I'm really not sure what you are looking for in advice. I guess I could google for some hotlines for you? Maybe counseling is an option? Or are you just venting to get this off your chest?


The point is not whether or not I am his mom. My brother told me in confidence the person that sold him heroin. Yes, I am worried. It's called being a good Samaritan and a concerned citizen.

You're telling me if you knew of a person who was doing illegal things that constituted felony charges you would sit back and do nothing? I'm glad you're not my big brother AND I'm glad you don't live in my neighborhood.

And of course I would never condone hurting him. I don't want him physically abused (unless he gets that in prison). I'm just wondering if there are resources which could help in this specific case BEYOND beating him up because I am better than that and I am ashamed you don't know that about me by now.


i wold call the cops ask to speak to the drug department and say hey if u wanna take down a known drug dealer here he is this is his name and this is how u get ahold of him... and tell em whats going on and they might sting him.

Around here we have an organization called "Crime Stoppers". They have a line set up so you can reports crimes or dealers without ever having to talk to a person and it is strictly confidential. I would suggest trying to find a program like that in your area...

Its worth a shot at least.

I'll end up doing something like this. He's on probation so I'm wondering if that will work in my favor. I'll just do it tomorrow. I just was checking to see if you all knew of any surefire ways to deal with this. I've never reported a drug dealer before lol.

[CraZx2ing]

Yah, around me we have the crime stoppers and we have a drug line you can call to report dealers and stuff. There's usually a couple other things i see on the news that they will tell that you can call to report if you know some info on something or etc.

Getting late now and i can't think clear lol

[CraZx2ing]

The point is not whether or not I am his mom. My brother told me in confidence the person that sold him heroin. Yes, I am worried. It's called being a good Samaritan and a concerned citizen.
Ah, now that adds up.

You're telling me if you knew of a person who was doing illegal things that constituted felony charges you would sit back and do nothing? I'm glad you're not my big brother AND I'm glad you don't live in my neighborhood.
No, I'm pretty sure if you read through my posts you will see I said I've called before on stuff like this because I am somebody that does something. I'm going to ignore your little bit of an insult there as I'm sure you will understand where I'm coming from after reading my post. You're asking for help on a public forum, your going to get responses you like, and don't like.

And of course I would never condone hurting him. I don't want him physically abused (unless he gets that in prison). I'm just wondering if there are resources which could help in this specific case BEYOND beating him up because I am better than that and I am ashamed you don't know that about me by now.
Cool, that clears that up. You came off as wanting to do something illegal to get back at him in your original post (to me anywho).

I'll end up doing something like this. He's on probation so I'm wondering if that will work in my favor. I'll just do it tomorrow. I just was checking to see if you all knew of any surefire ways to deal with this. I've never reported a drug dealer before lol.
Great, I think this is something I told you is an option in most of my posts.

All I'm trying to do is get more info out of you than you are giving. It helps to fully understand the situation not just bits and pieces. Everything is clear to me, and I'm sure to everyone else what your problem is and what your solution is, you just need a way to get there.

The hotlines are a good start but are not a guarantee anything will happen. Imagine how many calls these guys get everyday. If you are in a big city its probably tons. You are just tipping them off and they may get around to it, they may not. I really don't see much more than calling it in being available to you in the situation you are in. (no hard proof or physical evidence, video, pictures, etc).

Just remember reporting it in may not get done what you want, sucks to be out of control of a situation... doesn't it? You will probably feel better after doing it though.

Okay, like i said, late and tired and can't think... going to bed now ;).

[CraZx2ing]

I lied, still have one more thought in me. You will take offense to this I am sure, but it is also a possibly.

Who's to say your brother isn't lying to you? Maybe he knows this guy is a perfect target to get you off his back and onto someone else's? You can't tell me he is of perfect moral fiber knowing he did drugs. Yes, he turned his life around, but hey... who knows.

And yes, I am speaking about this from my own personal experience just like I am about calling the tip lines. I have a sister that is into some bad ish (coke, hooking, etc), and she had times where she looked like she was straight and would lie flat out to cover herself and F anyone else over, mother, brother, boyfriend... No one mattered to her more than herself. Unfortunately, she is not as great as your brother and she will end up dead sooner than later.

I commend him for joining the service and striving to be a good clean citizen, I understand why you are so proud of him.

[J-Dizzle!]

Because a)my ex is a lying, thieving, indecent excuse for a human being who would harm me or Andrew if he could and b)my brother loves me.

Now I know you can't use these excuses because they are absolutely biased but real evidence would be that my brother has had a multitude of drug tests done through the military lately that prove he is clean. They're going to extra lenghts with him knowing his history. He does not go out anymore with any of his friends... he just sits at home. My parents took away his cell phone and he has no income. My parents screen every call that comes into the house. The neighbors watch the house if my parents happen to be gone at the same time. My mom has randomly tested my brother 1-3x per week the last few months.

My ex started calling me more insistently since he started my brother on those drugs, especially when my brother lost his phone with weird messages like, "tell your brother that I talked to so-and-so and he's pissed and wants his money. If he doesn't get it he's gonna try to kick your brother's ass".

I dunno. For a while my brother WAS lying but it's hard to lie when you've been clean for months and he has no reason to protect my ex.

I dunno, maybe you won't believe me and maybe you will. I know it's hard to in this kind of situation. BUT even if my brother is lying, what's the point? I should just stand by and do nothing because of the off chance that my brother is telling me some random lie to put me through some wild goose chase? Not a chance... if my ex is clean then nothing will happen. If he's not then it's one less slimeball on the streets hurting our youth.

But I understand your reasoning so no harm, no foul.

[ZX2guy19]

Have Andrew beat the fuck out of the guy when he comes home. That'll teach him.

[Midwestzx2]

That would probably just cause a much more severe form of retaliation.

[DOUGIESTYL]

The sure fire way to have legal authorities incarcerate your ex is to set an appointment to go to the narcotics investigation unit in your police/sherriff dept., and have a detective file a deposition.
You will have to have real stories of offenses with names, dates, and places (Absolutely NO so-an-so told me stories). Your written report then becomes evidence in a criminal investigation. If the narcotics unit can build an investigation and acquire enough evidence, charges will be filed.
J-Dizzle, at the point your ex goes to trial, you and your original story are part of the prosecutions case. You will be called as a witness, and you will hafta testify about the authorities original reason for investigating your ex, because it's part of the evidence of the case.
If it's not a big imposition for you, with having to deal with that, to get your ex off the street, I say go for it. You have to be committed to the cause. It can't be a half-hearted activity. It will take time.
When and if your ex is taken into custody on charges relating to your deposition, he will be eligible to be realeased on bond. So, there's still a time when he could put two and two together, and be of some threat.
I wish you luck, but understand that people who are strung out have more important things to deal with (get more drugs) than to hunt down ex's. He may just be letting you go, slowly, and your problems are with how he's going about it. He may just stop F'n with you soon, and then your real problems are over. If you just wanna lock his ass up, because of retribution for his torment, go about it like I said.
Good luck!

[JonsZX2SR]

I don't even know if there is anything I can do but I know you guys are creative and some of you are even pretty savvy with the law. If you have advice or have been in a similar situation before can you spare some much-wanted advice?

Thanks guys.

Don't you know a few Marines who could pay him a visit ??

[J-Dizzle!]

The sure fire way to have legal authorities incarcerate your ex is to set an appointment to go to the narcotics investigation unit in your police/sherriff dept., and have a detective file a deposition.
You will have to have real stories of offenses with names, dates, and places (Absolutely NO so-an-so told me stories). Your written report then becomes evidence in a criminal investigation. If the narcotics unit can build an investigation and acquire enough evidence, charges will be filed.
J-Dizzle, at the point your ex goes to trial, you and your original story are part of the prosecutions case. You will be called as a witness, and you will hafta testify about the authorities original reason for investigating your ex, because it's part of the evidence of the case.
If it's not a big imposition for you, with having to deal with that, to get your ex off the street, I say go for it. You have to be committed to the cause. It can't be a half-hearted activity. It will take time.
When and if your ex is taken into custody on charges relating to your deposition, he will be eligible to be realeased on bond. So, there's still a time when he could put two and two together, and be of some threat.
I wish you luck, but understand that people who are strung out have more important things to deal with (get more drugs) than to hunt down ex's. He may just be letting you go, slowly, and your problems are with how he's going about it. He may just stop F'n with you soon, and then your real problems are over. If you just wanna lock his ass up, because of retribution for his torment, go about it like I said.
Good luck!

I understand this choice but I'm not sure I'm willing to do that. If he does get off for some reason then yeah, I think he'll find nothing better to do than figure out where I am and try to play stupid mindfuck games with me again.

We'll see though.



Jon and the rest of you: I'm sure Andrew would thoroughly enjoy beating the shit out of my ex and I'm sure he would have enjoyed beating the shit out of him even before we found out about the drugs.

But then again, Andrew is an officer and has a lot to lose if charged with assault.

[OGreaTFuzzY1]

Have Andrew beat the fuck out of the guy when he comes home. That'll teach him.

ummm if the cops are called on him he will be facing jail time.

~fuzzy

[AZN_ZX2]

https://tips.fbi.gov/

It isn't anonymous and a lot of times they will not take info as seriously if it is anonymous.

You can have someone else report for you. But don't write in false info. If he has sold drugs in more than one state I THINK that the FBI has jurisdiction.

[krux]

I'd love to call him in for ya. Based on I dont like drugs and it would make me feel good busting someone like him in.

[pissdrunx16]

thats just messed up to narc out ppl let their stupid asses get cought on their own..... snitches get stitches!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SoCalZX2]

thats just messed up to narc out ppl let their stupid asses get cought on their own..... snitches get stitches!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, lets just let the bad people in the country get away with anything... until them f'up once and get caught... Thats a GREAT plan.

[pissdrunx16]

much better then being known for a narc I hate ppl that tattle tail on other ppl dude if the guy is as much of an idiot as he sounds it will only be a little bit longer before he gets cought on his own...... I dont know about you but if ppl that get in trouble and find out you narced them out wellll............. like I said snitches get stitches!!!!!!!!! just cause I see somone shoplift for example I am not going into superman mode to save the owner of the store a 1.25

[SoCalZX2]

much better then being known for a narc I hate ppl that tattle tail on other ppl dude if the guy is as much of an idiot as he sounds it will only be a little bit longer before he gets cought on his own...... I dont know about you but if ppl that get in trouble and find out you narced them out wellll............. like I said snitches get stitches!!!!!!!!! just cause I see somone shoplift for example I am not going into superman mode to save the owner of the store a 1.25

So you're equating shoplifting to drug dealing... Thats another good idea...

and what the hell does snitches get snitches mean? Speak english! Seriously, people that deal drugs, or physically harm people in any way deserve to be "told on" (since we're apparently back in 6th grade) and they deserve the punishment for that.

I don't pay attention enough in stores to see someone else shoplifting, but if I were to see something really bad go down (I.E. something a bit more heinous than shop lifting) you better believe I'd be doing something about it.

People keeping to themselves and not looking out for each other is a major problem with this country.

Lets go back to your really poor example of shoplifting. If you were the store owner, and people knowingly let people steal from you would you be mad? If you answer no to this, then you obviously have no clue about running a business or how life works in general.

Edit:

Justine, sorry for the thread jack. I have no real advice, but I hope that he's nailed to a wall basically. Too many bad stories of stalker types not getting caught and causing the ultimate pain for fam/friends down the line. Good luck
/thread jack

[pissdrunx16]

snitches get stitches..... you tattle tail you get beat the fuck down duh!!!!..... your telling my this drug dealer dosent have friends..... if you lock up their supplius they clients/friends are going to get angry..... somthing might happen to you!!!!! Somtimes it is better to keep your nose outta other ppl's shit!!!!

Yeah..... true ok poor example but you get the point..... they ppl that are buying the drugs its their problem its ppl like that, that are keeping this guys employed and also those same ppl are the ones going to get him busted!!!!!!

And no if my car gets broken into at somones store I dont expect the store owner to go and save my ipod from being jacked!!!!!!!!!!!!!! give me a break dude!!! And if I was a store owner and was being stolen from I wouldn expect my customers to be my hero!!!!! i would invset in some better survalence systems and catch their asses!!!!!

[Beodude123]

Check it out dude, there is a very reasonable and easy way to end this whole situation.

First figure out which environment you are going to be in. Choose your camouflage so that you get the highest index possible. Preferably high 80s or 90s if possible. Then using a small pistol with a silencer attached, wait for him to walk by. If your camo is good enough, he won't see you. Then, you shoot him in the face. If you tranquilized him, sneak up to him, and stab him until the "Z"s go away. Make sure nobody sees you, or else they will activate the alarm.



Sorry, been playing too much Metal Gear 3. LoL

[af3ll]

I hope every thing goes well for you Justine. If you ever need a hide out let me know.

[CraZx2ing]

Because a)my ex is a lying, thieving, indecent excuse for a human being who would harm me or Andrew if he could and b)my brother loves me.

Now I know you can't use these excuses because they are absolutely biased but real evidence would be that my brother has had a multitude of drug tests done through the military lately that prove he is clean. They're going to extra lenghts with him knowing his history. He does not go out anymore with any of his friends... he just sits at home. My parents took away his cell phone and he has no income. My parents screen every call that comes into the house. The neighbors watch the house if my parents happen to be gone at the same time. My mom has randomly tested my brother 1-3x per week the last few months.
Good for him and good for everyone keeping track of him. Sounds like you guys did the right stuff to get him back on track.

I dunno, maybe you won't believe me and maybe you will. I know it's hard to in this kind of situation. BUT even if my brother is lying, what's the point? I should just stand by and do nothing because of the off chance that my brother is telling me some random lie to put me through some wild goose chase? Not a chance... if my ex is clean then nothing will happen. If he's not then it's one less slimeball on the streets hurting our youth.

But I understand your reasoning so no harm, no foul
You are not trying to convince me of anything. I am just giving you more to think about so you can make a nice level headed decision. It has no baring on my life or yours if I believe you. I hope for you and your situation that he is being truthful and you can do something about your ex.

The sure fire way to have legal authorities incarcerate your ex is to set an appointment to go to the narcotics investigation unit in your police/sherriff dept., and have a detective file a deposition.
You will have to have real stories of offenses with names, dates, and places (Absolutely NO so-an-so told me stories). Your written report then becomes evidence in a criminal investigation. If the narcotics unit can build an investigation and acquire enough evidence, charges will be filed.
Exactly... This is why I said you are stuck just calling the tiplines. You don't have any hard evidence, just 3rd party info. This would be useful as a tip, but not to do what doug described.

snitches get stitches..... you tattle tail you get beat the fuck down duh!!!!..... your telling my this drug dealer dosent have friends..... if you lock up their supplius they clients/friends are going to get angry..... somthing might happen to you!!!!! Somtimes it is better to keep your nose outta other ppl's shit!!!!
As dumb and childish as this guy sounds, there is a lot of truth to it. What happens when you call in on him and he suspects its you. If he's put in a corner he'll attack like any other animal. If its not him it could be one of his peeps. Just because you used to date him doesn't mean you or your brother are free from harm's path. This is another reason why I keep running around with my advice so you see it from more than one angle. The last thing anyone on this site wants is for you to post that you got beat down on the way into the house or your brother was found half alive in a ditch somewhere.

Obviously, you can not let fear run your life and these guys pray on the fearful. You've got some tough decisions to make and I hope you are making the right ones.

You ex doesn't know you are apart of this site does he? It'd suck hardcore if he know what all was being discussed...

[JonsZX2SR]

...Jon and the rest of you: I'm sure Andrew would thoroughly enjoy beating the shit out of my ex and I'm sure he would have enjoyed beating the shit out of him even before we found out about the drugs.

But then again, Andrew is an officer and has a lot to lose if charged with assault.

I'm not suggesting Andrew beat him up. Quite the opposite. Andrew seems like a level headed person. If he were to meet with this person along with a couple of large Marine friends and explain that if he doesn't leave you alone he will do everything legally possible to make this guys life miserable. No kidding around, no debate, no argument just make the guy understand the two of you mean business.

You have to stop being nice and avoiding the problem. Right now he has the upper hand and you are waiting for him to strike. The best thing you could do is to go to the authorities and give them enough information to put your ex on the run.

The alternative, and I don't recommend it, is to legally arm yourself, allow him to break into your house and put an end to the problem. If you even consider this option, be prepared for the outcome, and do everything just inside the law.

It was a lot easier in the old days when you could get an Italian grandfather to sit down with the troublemakers and explain why it is in their best interest to move on.

[CraZx2ing]

It was a lot easier in the old days when you could get an Italian grandfather to sit down with the troublemakers and explain why it is in their best interest to move on.
HA! I was thinking the same thing at one point. How perfect would that be lol.

[J_Mob]

The alternative, and I don't recommend it, is to legally arm yourself, allow him to break into your house and putc an end to the problem. If you even consider this option, be prepared for the outcome, and do everything just inside the law.


I was going to say if you catch him on you or your families property then put a hole in him.....not necessarily the best way to deal with it but if he is dangerous and trespassing you'd be in the right. Self defense. Just don't try to use a weapon to intimidate or scare-then you'll end up with charges.

I wouldn't condone the whole "informant" thing personally. Your family should be able to deal with him....he's just one person and even if connected, people like that aren't usually able to pull as much clout as they'd lead you to believe. The talking too that JonsZX2SR suggested may have more of an effect then you'd think. He'd have to show his cards or fold and walk away.....

[JonsZX2SR]

You hit the nail on the head. I have had to deal with a couple of unsavory individuals. They rely on intimidation. If you make them understand that you are done with their crap and are ready to hit them with everything legally possible they usually go away. They want to be the predator, not the prey and will find someone easier to pick on.

Andrew understands this. Please solicit his advice.

Being nice and reasonable is not always the best solution.

[J-Dizzle!]

Pissdrunx... "snitching" and protecting your family are two different things. It was one thing when he was threatening me but now he's trying to snake his way into my brother's life. I don't know how deep my ex's ties go within the drug community but if there's any way at all that my brother's life is in danger then I would do anything to help him. Snitch? Sure call me a freaking snitch. At least I'm willing to stand up to him the only way I know how instead of hiding in a corner cause I'm too much of a pansy to protect my loved ones. I feel sorry for you if that's how you live your life.



Well like I said earlier if I DID try to inform the police I would want to do everything in my power to disconnect myself from the crime... which is the whole reason why I am even posting about this in the first place. I just wanted to know if there was a way I could be taken seriously without him knowing I implicated him.

And I have slept with a loaded gun next to my bed more than once out of fear that he, like, found out where I lived. I know I sound like an idiot for not getting a restraining order but I really don't have enough to get one... just my gut feeling that he could and would hurt me if he had the chance. The law won't put a restraining order on someone for gut feelings.

[J-Dizzle!]

You hit the nail on the head. I have had to deal with a couple of unsavory individuals. They rely on intimidation. If you make them understand that you are done with their crap and are ready to hit them with everything legally possible they usually go away. They want to be the predator, not the prey and will find someone easier to pick on.

Andrew understands this. Please solicit his advice.

Being nice and reasonable is not always the best solution.

I will think about it. I honestly don't think Andrew would be able to get within ten feet of him without my ex trying to get violent.

For normal people talking might work but for my ex... well.... he's been in the psyciatric ward of the hospital at least twice that I know of (mainly suicide watch but he was there for a long time and I'm willing to bet there's more to the story than what he told me and what I've heard). He is in no way, shape, or form a level headed person, especially when it comes to me. I know Andrew can take care of himself but even asking him to put himself in that situation feels wrong to me.

[pissdrunx16]

do what you will i suppose....... but I personally would take care of this dude by myself!!!! doing what he does I doubt he would call the police on you after beating him down

or I would tell your bro to tell that guy he has changed and dosent want anything to do with him!!!!

[J-Dizzle!]

Do you know that I am a 100 pound girl that couldn't take down a chihuaha? Lol I doubt I can take down a 200 pound crazy man.

[af3ll]

^^ Stop posting.

[af3ll]

do what you will i suppose....... but I personally would take care of this dude by myself!!!! doing what he does I doubt he would call the police on you after beating him down

or I would tell your bro to tell that guy he has changed and dosent want anything to do with him!!!!
Stop Posting.

[pissdrunx16]

yeah ok shut up^^^^ marlins omg

[J-Dizzle!]

Oh kids...






PS Josh made me lawl.

[pissdrunx16]

ok yeah I wish you guys the best of luck on whatever the outcome maybe!!!!

[J-Dizzle!]

Well thank you for that :)

[JonsZX2SR]

I will think about it. I honestly don't think Andrew would be able to get within ten feet of him without my ex trying to get violent.

There is the solution... Self defense is appropriate if the ex- became violent first. If one of your or Andrew's large friends were to intervene so Andrew didn't have to get involved it could bring an end to this. A quadripelegic ex- isn't going to cause much trouble.

You seem a level headed and reasonable person, how did you hook up with the idiot drug dealer in the 1st place ??

[capitalcrew]

Shoot him justine.

d000 it.

[OGreaTFuzzY1]

i don't see y u can't get a restriction order. he calls you though u don't want him to, he's nuts, he sells drugs and makes threats against u/family. here if u need one they say ok without 2nd thinking. i have 1 on my ex g/f cuz she a crazy bitch

~Fuzzy

[J-Dizzle!]

There is the solution... Self defense is appropriate if the ex- became violent first. If one of your or Andrew's large friends were to intervene so Andrew didn't have to get involved it could bring an end to this. A quadripelegic ex- isn't going to cause much trouble.

You seem a level headed and reasonable person, how did you hook up with the idiot drug dealer in the 1st place ??


Ugh I was in a "bad boy" phase... I just didn't realize how much of a bad boy he was until we had been dating for a while and he became very overprotective and I think he was getting into drugs pretty bad then too.

Me breaking up with him just furthered everything... I think he was just really psychologically dependent on me. Coupled with his aggressiveness and the drugs... I'm sure you get the rest.


And like I said, he's threatened but hasn't been physically near me as far as I can tell. I don't want to involve him in a restraining order process if a) I may not get the restraining order and b) it will just piss him off even more and he would probably disregard it.

I'd rather just get a CCW and do what Kevin said if he ever came around lol.

[krux]

I would get it recorded on the phone. Tell him on the phone clearly and speak with him being professional. Say that you want no contact. If any contact what so ever it will be pushed towards the law. With this you can get evidence that you want no contact with him and this will give you some kind of proof. I personally would get something were he can't get near you and carry a tazer. You need something to back you up if something did happen. Texts, phone messages, something. Granted your brother could testify in court saying he got him drugs and such(which I am not sure how much would help) if you did hurt him in anyway. Gotta have something back up vs your gut feeling. I hope the best for you. You could always do what I do and just ignore them...yet some get more mad and other get board since there not getting to you anymore.

[random_hero]

Bear Traps.

[AZN_ZX2]

I would get it recorded on the phone. Tell him on the phone clearly and speak with him being professional. Say that you want no contact. If any contact what so ever it will be pushed towards the law. With this you can get evidence that you want no contact with him and this will give you some kind of proof. I personally would get something were he can't get near you and carry a tazer. You need something to back you up if something did happen. Texts, phone messages, something. Granted your brother could testify in court saying he got him drugs and such(which I am not sure how much would help) if you did hurt him in anyway. Gotta have something back up vs your gut feeling. I hope the best for you. You could always do what I do and just ignore them...yet some get more mad and other get board since there not getting to you anymore.

IIRC it is against federal law to record someone's voice without informing them. Hence the "This phone call may be recorded for training purposes"

I could be wrong though.

[krux]

IIRC it is against federal law to record someone's voice without informing them. Hence the "This phone call may be recorded for training purposes"

I could be wrong though.

Sure tell him your being recorded. That just scares them more..showing that your taking action

[AZN_ZX2]

Tell him she is recording him? haha

But yeah you;d have to tell him before hand so he wouldn't say anything.

I'd just get annoyed if someone called me and said hey I'm recording you whats the deal with the heroine?

[krux]

Tell him she is recording him? haha

But yeah you;d have to tell him before hand so he wouldn't say anything.

I'd just get annoyed if someone called me and said hey I'm recording you whats the deal with the heroine?

She said he calls her? So when you pickup the phone and know if its him.Tell him there. Just a scare tactic.

[TheCrazyGuy]

First off:

pissdrunx: "Snitches get stitches"? The only thing I hate worse than cliches is cliches that propogate idiocy like this. People like you stand around with 37 of your friends and watch women get raped and stabbed. Google "Kitty Genovese", you ball of slime.

Andrew of years long gone would have long ago ensured that this discussion would never happen. The mafia has many brethren in many colors. But those years are long gone and there is no purpose to risking one's self for pieces of shit like the subject of this thread. However, the fact that after a relationship has been four years over one is still calling someone at 3 am warrants some sort of action, even if only preventative. Selling drugs to that person's brother warrants further action. Legal action.

The only unresolved issue I see here is bringing the activity of this sack of shit to the attention of the authorities so he can stop corrupting good kids like Justine's brother.

[J_Mob]

IIRC it is against federal law to record someone's voice without informing them. Hence the "This phone call may be recorded for training purposes"

I could be wrong though.

NO it goes by the state, not FCC. That recording is for the states that won't allow it. Some states, like Idaho (only one I know for sure) only require that one party knows the call is being recorded, i.e. the recorder, for private calls. I know this due to some happenings with my friends sister in high school, cuz they had her recording calls to help her case (it was a divorce case, before ya'll get all uppity and shite).