Carbon =(

[00EscortZx2]

Anybody know what happened??? Don't mean to get in the guys personal life. I just wanted to buy some stuff later on down the road =/


edit: http://teamzx2.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=2482

[pissdrunx16]

Posted via Mobile Device I know I shoulda bough a shift instead of procrastinating on it *punch myself

[00EscortZx2]

lol no joke I wanted a ebrake boot too

[CBZx2]

Probably wasn't making enough profit to make it worth the time....

[TTFOWIA]

Hope I'm gonna get my door inserts soon :S and that sucks, he was freakin talented and great to do business with.

[AZN_ZX2]

Damn I wish I bought the inserts for the doors

[Big D]

I had a paid for order put in almost two weeks ago for a shift boot. I got a refund on sunday. :(

[random_hero]

Think about it. How many people went "oooh,oooh...fap fap. I want CF pillars now!" then He couldnt even sell the damn things on Ebay. (I'm assuming, auction ended with no bids) If I had to guess, it's the amount of people who back down out of a sale, or don't have the money, that discouraged him. "I can pay you in october if my boss gives me a raise and I get my tax refund back and dont have bills...so totally make me a ebrake boot" Isn't really confidence inspiring. People here will tell you they have they money all day long, but when its shit or get off the pot time, everyone suddenly has 12 different excuses of why they can't come up with the cash. Thats just my experience with working with buyers here. We are a community of cheap ass, broke ass escort owners (not everyone, just the vast majority). This of course; would just be my speculation. The actual reason, only he can tell us for sure.

[Alwayssideways]

Not that it is right, but this is very true on other forums as well. I have sold items on many different forums and ebay. I just went through about a 3 week run around with a guy "who just had to have my car" (the last one I sold). He kept telling me , ill have the money , Ill have the money. To no avail he had to wait to find a job, sell his current car , and sell some stuff to afford it. I hate to sound like a prick , but honestly if you dont have the money , dont say you will buy something and then dont. It puts hopes and expectations (Probably from what Carbon was dealing with) into people offering a service at their own expense, and when it doesnt go through. They are the ones holding the bag. This is why with in business now people have the accounts and contracts now it place.

Im sorry to see Carbon stop offering products. Although I didnt get a chance to buy anything. His products looked great , and I heard nothing but good things about him. Especially offering parts to a smaller demographic.


Think about it. How many people went "oooh,oooh...fap fap. I want CF pillars now!" then He couldnt even sell the damn things on Ebay. (I'm assuming, auction ended with no bids) If I had to guess, it's the amount of people who back down out of a sale, or don't have the money, that discouraged him. "I can pay you in october if my boss gives me a raise and I get my tax refund back and dont have bills...so totally make me a ebrake boot" Isn't really confidence inspiring. People here will tell you they have they money all day long, but when its shit or get off the pot time, everyone suddenly has 12 different excuses of why they can't come up with the cash. Thats just my experience with working with buyers here. We are a community of cheap ass, broke ass escort owners (not everyone, just the vast majority). This of course; would just be my speculation. The actual reason, only he can tell us for sure.

[xtremecaraudio]

Have to agree with both of the above statements. So many people will say, oh yeah, I want it, I'll have the money soon. This is the main reason I will not hold something for someone. Hopefully Carbon was getting money up front for the custom stuff he was doing, it's certainly the only way I would do something like that because if someone backs out and you can sell it your out the sale and the cost of materials. It's honestly the real downfall of some of the parts for these cars. Nobody wants to pay up when the time comes. I wish Carbon the best of luck, he does amazing work and I would have loved to have him make me a few parts for the mazda when the time comes. :(

[CraZx2ing]

That's been going on since the beginning. I remember people begging him for stuff but never coming up with the cash.

What would blow you guys away is the for sale forum I visit for the 350z. $2,500 rims, $5,000 turbo kits, $1,000 body kits, $300 intakes, $1,200 exhausts... and they all sell with in a day or two lol.

[1981gMachine]

Maybe he moved up in the world for escorts to make parts for cars where the owners will buy them at any cost. 69 Camaros for example, people willand do spend tons of money on those cars.

[xtremecaraudio]

What would blow you guys away is the for sale forum I visit for the 350z. $2,500 rims, $5,000 turbo kits, $1,000 body kits, $300 intakes, $1,200 exhausts... and they all sell with in a day or two lol.

Yeah, I know that all to well being on the rx7 forum, people here don't want to spend over 100 bucks on their suspension where people on that forum don't seem to have any problem with dropping 2 grand on it. I spent as much or more on my bone stock turbo engine than a lot of people will pay for a zx2 anymore.

[1981gMachine]

Yeah, I know that all to well being on the rx7 forum, people here don't want to spend over 100 bucks on their suspension where people on that forum don't seem to have any problem with dropping 2 grand on it. I spent as much or more on my bone stock turbo engine than a lot of people will pay for a zx2 anymore.

A lot of that is what's the car worth? Make sense to spend thousands on a RX7 or escort? I'd rather spend it on a RX7. Same sense with my camaro, i didn't think 2x about spending 2K on suspension, but I thought weeks about springs for the zx2.

[Big D]

Yea I was gonna say, thats kinda relative.. Can't really blame someone who earns enough to be at the level to afford a 350z and have the money to mod it out for doing it.. But the costs should be appropriate to the vehicle.. Spending $6-8k on upgrades for a $2000 car is kind of dumb. Spending $6-8k on a $25,000 vehicle makes more sense..

[xtremecaraudio]

Yea I was gonna say, thats kinda relative.. Can't really blame someone who earns enough to be at the level to afford a 350z and have the money to mod it out for doing it.. But the costs should be appropriate to the vehicle.. Spending $6-8k on upgrades for a $2000 car is kind of dumb. Spending $6-8k on a $25,000 vehicle makes more sense..

Cost appropriate to the vehicle is great, but when a lot of the parts that people are claiming to want are one off or limited production, it's going to cost more. There is no bulk manufacturer for things like what Carbon and other have made and you pay a premium to be able to have it in your car. I agree spending 6-8k in upgrades probably isn't the greatest idea, but many have done it and are happy with the decision. It comes down to if you want to mod a car you have to have the money for it and it isn't cheap no matter what you drive. Just because you bought a cheap car doesn't mean parts are going to be cheap, if you wanted to do that you should have bought a civic or something with better aftermarket support.

[/RANT] sorry :)

[slammmed]

ive known christian for almost 10 years now and frankly he did this on the side. The zx2 community was no where near the volume he ever needed to provide a living for himself or now his wife as well.

How he's handled things, i personally wouldn't have done the same way, but I understand and it is what it is. If you all recall, marco shut up shop and left fast as well.

[krux]

Ya i doubt there was a market for him with us. But then again most of the guys on here wont spend a dime on the car. A car is only worth as much as the eye of the beholder. Personally if i got a 350z or a GTO they would be my beater over the zx2 so i doubt it has anything to do with him moving up in the world on cars. He is better of on a market that pays better like camero's and mustangs and vettes.

[Buster]

*Camaros* ;)

[mellowness65]

this is the first time i've been on in a few days, I'm sorry to hear this. I hope I get my steering wheel done

[Big D]

Cost appropriate to the vehicle is great, but when a lot of the parts that people are claiming to want are one off or limited production, it's going to cost more. There is no bulk manufacturer for things like what Carbon and other have made and you pay a premium to be able to have it in your car. I agree spending 6-8k in upgrades probably isn't the greatest idea, but many have done it and are happy with the decision. It comes down to if you want to mod a car you have to have the money for it and it isn't cheap no matter what you drive. Just because you bought a cheap car doesn't mean parts are going to be cheap, if you wanted to do that you should have bought a civic or something with better aftermarket support.

[/RANT] sorry :)


lol were on the same page bud! my post was more just in general to the thread, nothing aimed at you or his products or anything like that. Trust me i would love to have some of the stuff he made for these cars just because it's cool stuff. But i couldn't afford the fancy stuff or really see it as cost effective, so it never would have entered my mind anyway. I was just agreeing to the fact that some seem may suprised that escort owners weren't willing to pony up the high price of his custom parts.

Sure modding any car can be expensive, it's all in how far you take it and what your taste is for. But anyone has to be able to see that modding a ferrari is obviously going to cost you more out of pocket then modding your escort. Just the way it is.. $300 intakes for 350z's and $1-150 intakes for ZX2's. In the long run it's all relative to the cost of the vehicle. There are always exceptions to the rules, but I am speaking in general..

If you want to get expensive real fast, move over to the world of modding out modern motorcycles. It's amazing what a tiny little piece of carbon fiber here or there will cost you. Carbon should move into THAT market with his skills. The nice thing about that market is the fact that most the people who are into it own the motorcycle they start with purely as a toy anyway instead of their daily transportation. So they already have a nice expendable budget. Theres always the cheap asses tho, they are universal lol ;)

[slammmed]

lol were on the same page bud! my post was more just in general to the thread, nothing aimed at you or his products or anything like that. Trust me i would love to have some of the stuff he made for these cars just because it's cool stuff. But i couldn't afford the fancy stuff or really see it as cost effective, so it never would have entered my mind anyway. I was just agreeing to the fact that some seem may suprised that escort owners weren't willing to pony up the high price of his custom parts.

Sure modding any car can be expensive, it's all in how far you take it and what your taste is for. But anyone has to be able to see that modding a ferrari is obviously going to cost you more out of pocket then modding your escort. Just the way it is.. $300 intakes for 350z's and $1-150 intakes for ZX2's. In the long run it's all relative to the cost of the vehicle. There are always exceptions to the rules, but I am speaking in general..

If you want to get expensive real fast, move over to the world of modding out modern motorcycles. It's amazing what a tiny little piece of carbon fiber here or there will cost you. Carbon should move into THAT market with his skills. The nice thing about that market is the fact that most the people who are into it own the motorcycle they start with purely as a toy anyway instead of their daily transportation. So they already have a nice expendable budget. Theres always the cheap asses tho, they are universal lol ;)

who said he hasn't ? :)

He did a full carbon fiber overlay helmet for someone once, was amazing.

Christian and his brother have been making parts for other communities as well for a long time. Unfortunately most other communities are just like ours.

[ZX2guy19]

I have around 8k into my ZX2. Just because it is an escort doesn't mean it is a piece of crap. Who designated a Camaro nice anyways? I think they look like ass. Plus, they are Chevy, nothing special.

[CBZx2]

Honestly there isnt anything wrong with spending a lot of money on a Zx2, if thats what you like then more power to you, there are plenty on here that have spent A LOT of time and money on their Zx2s, Its all a matter of what you personally would like to spend your money on

[pdwighty]

All i have to say is his stuff looked awsome... guy is good at what he does (or did).
As for the zx2 community... its just sad to see so many people getting out of it as the years go by... I wonder how many people will even be on this site or if the site will still be up by the time i decide to get rid of mine (which will be awhile). Sad to see em go

[krux]

I have around 8k into my ZX2. Just because it is an escort doesn't mean it is a piece of crap. Who designated a Camaro nice anyways? I think they look like ass. Plus, they are Chevy, nothing special.


Agreed. A piece of metal is only worth on how much you want to make it worth. I don't see anything speical about other manufacturers cars thats why I chosen to stay with this car. I could have a Mazdaspeed6 right now and or a corvette if I really wanted too. But I stay'd with the z.

[1981gMachine]

I have around 8k into my ZX2. Just because it is an escort doesn't mean it is a piece of crap. Who designated a Camaro nice anyways? I think they look like ass. Plus, they are Chevy, nothing special.

not to get far off topic here, but...

like ford is any more special? come on now. Escorts are economy cars, throw away cars, like neons, corollas, cavilers, colbalts, etc.. Cheap cars to get people from point a to point b. A camaro is a sports car, meant to have some speed and handling already built into the car. And sell for more then 15k brand new.

[ZX2guy19]

That is because people have given them that title. So because Chevy decided they are a sports car they are? I don't think so.

Bring your Slomaro to Columbus next spring, or I'll meet you half way. I'll show you a sports car ;]

[droptoutzx2]

no one cares what car is better the topic is about carbon so please take your e-penis to another topic.... on a side note if my interior was black and not white i would have bought pieces from him the quality was awesome

[CraZx2ing]

I wonder if he will keep posting in automotiva forum?

[powder]

I don't blame him. There's a lot of flaky people all over this site. I've been victim to it. Hell, every group buy i do for my pulleys i get about 60% of the people to pay that actually said they would. The other 40% just falls off the face of the earth.

[03zx2]

I agree with alot of people on here.He just had people saying yeah I would buy it then when he produced it no one bought it.

[OGreaTFuzzY1]

How many pieces did he actually make in carbon fiber though, 1 set of A-pillers all i know about. I rather see the product then give the cash for something that pricey and for just overlays. A few of us been though this already with another member that packed up and ran off. I would of had no prob buying off carbon as long as i seen the item done before i gave him any money. I don't need to be out of another 500 bucks on carbon fiber products.

~Fuzzy

[powder]

Yeah but no one see's the finished product before they order an MMI intake. People still buy them and complain about the time it takes though.

[03zx2]

Yeah I understand that but he made the parts and no one bought them.He never asked for a deposit or money up front like other people have on here that have never given the parts to the person that ordered.Christian has been around since I think 1999 making parts for the zx2.He left because the demand wasn't there and just recently came back thinking demand was there but it wasn't.Just a little off topic if this body kit idea goes thru I think a deposit will be needed from a number of people to get it started.

[pissdrunx16]

Posted via Mobile Device bottom line is that It sucks that he left/stopped making parts!! we need ppl like him to make rare custom parts!!.....since no one really make many parts for our cars!! Hopfully more ppl come along like powder n carbon to make our cars more custom!!

But I can understand the demand not being so great and having to leave.. Why make parts that don't sell...

[slammmed]

How many pieces did he actually make in carbon fiber though, 1 set of A-pillers all i know about. I rather see the product then give the cash for something that pricey and for just overlays. A few of us been though this already with another member that packed up and ran off. I would of had no prob buying off carbon as long as i seen the item done before i gave him any money. I don't need to be out of another 500 bucks on carbon fiber products.

~Fuzzy

try stepping off your high horse and look at reality. does it REALLY matter if it is a carbon overlay or pure carbon fiber for a gauge pod?? the bottom line is people wanted "carbon fiber". These are appearance pieces not performance enhancements.

For those of you who remember way back when, he actually made fiberglass with carbon intakes. few people ordered them because the costs involved were not justified. His interior trim pieces were pure carbon fiber.

everyone wants to bitch about the parts that he didn't make but few want to praise the ones he did make.

give the man his due, he made parts, he did what he had to do and closed his business. he didn't scam anyone and was completely honest on his transactions.

[slammmed]

Yeah I understand that but he made the parts and no one bought them.He never asked for a deposit or money up front like other people have on here that have never given the parts to the person that ordered.Christian has been around since I think 1999 making parts for the zx2.He left because the demand wasn't there and just recently came back thinking demand was there but it wasn't.Just a little off topic if this body kit idea goes thru I think a deposit will be needed from a number of people to get it started.

he was one of the first members and one of a few that actually had a 1997.5 zx2

[ImCrazy]

U guys talk about this like its a disaster, yeah carbon is an awesome fabricator but this site (myself included) doesn't spend big bucks on their cars in general if you want a lot of after market parts available buy a Honda.

[Buster]

That is because people have given them that title. So because Chevy decided they are a sports car they are? I don't think so.

Bring your Slomaro to Columbus next spring, or I'll meet you half way. I'll show you a sports car ;]

You have a Firebird? :D

[ZX2guy19]

His interior trim pieces were pure carbon fiber.


No they weren't. They are in my car.

[dragon2200]

Not to be disrespectful to Carbon but when I buy carbon parts I don't want them for looks I want them for performance, in other words I don't want overlays if those pillars were carbon only I would have bought the pair, for some people the trim pieces are cool but for others we want full CF replacement parts.

Carbon didn't seem to want to build what we asked for ie the full cf triple pillar pods he only wanted to overlay the existing pillar with cf and add 2 pods, you make what people want to survive as a business not what you like.

[random_hero]

How much of a dick are you, man? People arnt like "oh, that isnt full C/F, what a joke"

they are just to cheap.

[xtremecaraudio]

How much of a dick are you, man? People arnt like "oh, that isnt full C/F, what a joke"

they are just to cheap.

So true, many people want the carbon fiber parts, but don't want to pay the price. People thought the overlay stuff is expensive, what do you think it would cost for a pure carbon fiber part. I'm sure he would have made it if he thought that the person buying it would actually pay up and not back out.

[powder]

I don't see how there's a performance issue being brought into this. So you replace half your interior parts w/ real carbon fiber and lose like 2 lbs? There's nothing performance about interior parts.

[mechtech]

Some people drive trucks - same thing - image.

[CarbonTC]

I cant leave this site w/o saying good bye!

I dont care what your opinion says, I respect that. However, my intensions to leave this site is personal. I will continue making parts whenever I can and these will be offered on ebay.com

I shut down all future upcoming parts due to low $$$ resources. Hopefully one day ford company decides to bring the zx2 back or it may come back with other name or who knows.

I will be around and yeah sure whenever I can I'll stop by Automotivia and feed you back with photos and news... actually I'm about to leave a shit-lot of info there.

There are few members here who still awaiting for their parts to arrive. They will arrive soon.

Also CWJ will receive free parts for the next RAFFLE event he or this site may come up.

"I just want to say, thank you for all your support, thank you for being patience, and thank you for having a good time."

God bless you everyone.
-cristian

[AZN_ZX2]

Post your ebay link!

I'm sorry to see ya go man. I loved your products I just wished I had the money to buy them!

[TTFOWIA]

just to make sure... I will get the door inserts I ordered and paid for?