The Firearm Thread for Owners/Lovers

[zx2loon]

If you are opposed to firearms or dislike them, PLEASE stop reading now and continue onto another thread for your reading enjoyment.

With that said.....
We had a small thread on the old forum so I figured I'd start another one for those of us who enjoy firearms.




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This thread is dedicated to those of us who use and enjoy firearms legally. Feel free to post any pics of your firearms (preferably without s/n#'s showing) , any video's and to engauge in friendly conversation with fellow gun owners/lovers.

This is not a thread to debate on any gun control issues. Those types of threads should be in the Politics/Religion section.

This thread shall not contain any threats or acts of violence by anyone to any animals or people. (Legal Hunting is excluded)

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Lets keep this thread clean and fun.

[zx2loon]

Here are a few of my babies.....

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i136/zx2loon/SA552498-1.jpg


Kimber Pro Carry 2 stainless compact in .45ACP
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i136/zx2loon/SA552500.jpg

Clock 19C compact in 9MM
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i136/zx2loon/SA552503-1.jpg


IntraTec "Tec-9" in 9mm (added 3in compensator, red dot scope, foregrip)
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i136/zx2loon/SA552499-2.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i136/zx2loon/SA552506.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i136/zx2loon/SA552505-1.jpg

[Zx2 puller]

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/icemanbcc/000.jpg
from top to bottom
Yugo sks 59/66 with a Choate dragunov stock, Harris bi-pod, tasco 36x scope and a soon to be replaced ak74 muzzle brake

Cil 950t target rifle with a Harris bi-pod and tasco 6-24x scope

Mosberg 500 with an ati 6 position collapsible stock
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/icemanbcc/Picture106.jpg
Turkish 8mm Mauser

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/icemanbcc/011308_13551.jpg
me at the range shooting the Cil

[AtlanticblueZX2]

what would a decent used binelli supernova 12 GA. pump or semi auto run someone???

[Zx2 puller]

what would a decent used binelli supernova 12 GA. pump or semi auto run someone???

http://www.gunbroker.com about 350-390

[MrWeeyums]

Heres the collection.
L to R
12ga Remington 870 Wingmaster, Yugo SKS, Stevens double, Stevens Visible Loader .22

2nd pic
My 870 how it is now with riot stock, 20" barrel, and 8rd tube.

~Ryan

[ImCrazy]

Nice guns guys, I'm thinking of getting shot gun myself my dad has a mossberg 20ga with a short barrel and pump action but I think I wanna get a 12ga mossberg 500 with a 28" barrel so I could go hunting/shoot some clays then get a 18.5 inch barrel to leave on the gun when its @ home for protection.

Any thoughts?

[Spyware]

You've all got me beat. I just bought my first gun a couple weeks ago. =x

Nothing fancy, inexpensive S&W Sigma 9mm

(In advance, sorry about phone pics. I'll get some decent pics later tonight hopefully)
http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v241/98/10/294400710/n294400710_112369_3004.jpg

[zx2loon]

You've all got me beat. I just bought my first gun a couple weeks ago. =x

Nothing fancy, inexpensive S&W Sigma 9mm

(In advance, sorry about phone pics. I'll get some decent pics later tonight hopefully)
http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v241/98/10/294400710/n294400710_112369_3004.jpg


I actually owned one of those in .40S&W. I absoutly loved it. Granit it is a cheap knock off of a Glock but mine handled fairly well. Accuracy wasn't bad at 25yards.

FYI on ammo-
Not sure about yours but mine shot the best on Wal-mart ammo vs. expensive. I got better feed and reliability using CCI Blazer hollowpoints. Remengton didn't do to bad either.
Had some feeding problems with Winchester, Gold Dot, Hydra Shocks and Wolf.

[Spyware]

I actually owned one of those in .40S&W. I absoutly loved it. Granit it is a cheap knock off of a Glock but mine handled fairly well. Accuracy wasn't bad at 25yards.

FYI on ammo-
Not sure about yours but mine shot the best on Wal-mart ammo vs. expensive. I got better feed and reliability using CCI Blazer hollowpoints. Remengton didn't do to bad either.
Had some feeding problems with Winchester, Gold Dot, Hydra Shocks and Wolf.

I've been using Winchester, but I've only put 100 rounds through it so far. I actually wanna end up getting some of those Pow-R-Ball rounds for keeping in a magazine at home. I hear they're pretty much end-all self defense rounds.

[MrWeeyums]

Nice guns guys, I'm thinking of getting shot gun myself my dad has a mossberg 20ga with a short barrel and pump action but I think I wanna get a 12ga mossberg 500 with a 28" barrel so I could go hunting/shoot some clays then get a 18.5 inch barrel to leave on the gun when its @ home for protection.

Any thoughts?

Im not very impressed with the Mossberg 500s. It was a toss up between that and the Remington 870 and i found i liked the 870 a lot better. Both 500s i tried had problems, one dropped shells out the bottom as u pumped randomly and the other the safety would jiggle and slide on by itself. The 870 feels a lot better made too with a smoother action. I know a lot of people like the 500 better but this is just my observations from personal experiences.
~Ryan

[zx2loon]

I've been using Winchester, but I've only put 100 rounds through it so far. I actually wanna end up getting some of those Pow-R-Ball rounds for keeping in a magazine at home. I hear they're pretty much end-all self defense rounds.

They aren't the "end all" ammo people crack them up to be.

If you have children or animals, I would suggest Extreme Shock for home use. They've been tested, tried and true.
http://www.extremeshockusa.com/cgistore/store.cgi?page=/new/product_info.html&setup=1&cart_id=

[Spyware]

They aren't the "end all" ammo people crack them up to be.

If you have children or animals, I would suggest Extreme Shock for home use. They've been tested, tried and true.
http://www.extremeshockusa.com/cgistore/store.cgi?page=/new/product_info.html&setup=1&cart_id=

Jesus Christ.. Some of the ammo they offer is NASTY. =P No way I'd ever wanna get hit with one of those rounds. Nice find. =)

[zxtuner98]

I guess i must get out mine and take a photo or two.

Aaron: Mossberg's are not great guns. Affordable, yes, but you get what you pay for.

New england/h&r are famous for theyre single shot rifles/shot guns. I own a few. They started making pump guns now, i beleive its called the pardner pump or defender. One or the other. Id trust one of those over a mossberg anyday.

My next gun is attached as a photo. Springfield xd40 4"

[zx2loon]

Jesus Christ.. Some of the ammo they offer is NASTY. =P No way I'd ever wanna get hit with one of those rounds. Nice find. =)



Yep. I just like knowing that if I miss a shot, the round will not go through wall after wall and chance hitting my daughter. They are expensive. Very expensive. In stores for 8 rounds of .45ACP is about $20. Most ammo sizes come in packs of 8 and all are around $20. Well worth it though for a piece of mind.

[Spyware]

I guess i must get out mine and take a photo or two.

Aaron: Mossberg's are not great guns. Affordable, yes, but you get what you pay for.

New england/h&r are famous for theyre single shot rifles/shot guns. I own a few. They started making pump guns now, i beleive its called the pardner pump or defender. One or the other. Id trust one of those over a mossberg anyday.

My next gun is attached as a photo. Springfield xd40 4"

I am jealous. The gun I originally wanted was the XD 9mm. =(

[zxtuner98]

Ive wanted one for awhile. Figured i may as well treat myself. You only live once.

[Spyware]

That's what I thought about my gun. It only cost me like $379 after ammo and tax, but it still hiked my credit card back up there. -.-

[ImCrazy]

so mossberg's aren't that great? Its gonna be my first gun and mostly used for home defnese and maybe some recreational shooting every month or so...... what else is good for the 200-250 dollar range tho.....

[ImCrazy]

whats a good site to do gun research shotguns specifically.

[zx2loon]

whats a good site to do gun research shotguns specifically.

Gunbroker.com


Type in shotguns in the search bar and enjoy. When you see something you want, google it. You'll find just about everything there.

[ImCrazy]

Gunbroker.com


Type in shotguns in the search bar and enjoy. When you see something you want, google it. You'll find just about everything there.

thanks!

[zx2loon]

It's the most useful. They carry both new and used firearms. Some custom jobs and odd balls as well. Just type in the type of firearm your looking for or the caliber you want and surf away....they also do monthly gun give aways. Just register and they'll e-mail you every month with the gun giveaways...

[ImCrazy]

sweet, what would you recommend loon?

[zxtuner98]

I recommend Remington,h&r/new england. There's more, more i probably don't know about. You can buy a Mossberg, it's whatever you want and can afford.

[ImCrazy]

Oh yeah I know but if I can spend a few more bux and get something substantially nicer why not right?

[zxtuner98]

Right. Gun's only go up in value anyways. It's like a safe stock lol.

[ImCrazy]

Right. Gun's only go up in value anyways. It's like a safe stock lol.

yeah they had a Remington for like 275 @ dicks... idk if I can afford that right now tho
:biggun:

[Digi]

Heres some nasty stuff. . .
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=97769727


God if only I had the money . . .
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=97798123

I wanna get one of these to carry on-duty. . .

[morningstar2101]

i do not own any kind of gun YET. i have been to the shooting range several times and enjoyed it so i plan on getting one as soon as i get my ccw and my own house

[zx2loon]

For a shotgun...Benelli. Hard to go wrong. Personal opinion.

As far as the Black Talon ammo...it is some nasty stuff. However you can make your own cheaper.

[zx2loon]

Example:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=97360678



Expensive...but worth it.

[Zx2 puller]

yeah they had a Remington for like 275 @ dicks... idk if I can afford that right now tho
:biggun:

i bought my mossberg for 150 used, it works great, never had a problem with it. go to your local gun shops, ask if they can get a siaga 12 guage. it is a russian semi auto shotgun, nice looking, and smooth shooting. i think the price is between $320-360 which is pricey but completely worth it.

[ImCrazy]

well i got the mossberg 500 12ga, 28" barrel, I found out that mossberg had problems because of some of their guns reload mechanisims were plastic now they have changed all the insides to metal and the guns are supposed to be great.

I got it for 219.99 plus tax, I need to get some ammo now a cheap gun case and maybe a kick pad for the butt of the gun since im a pussy.

All im debating now is taking it back for a 20ga cause i could mooch ammo off my dad and uncle.

[MrWeeyums]

12ga ammo is cheap and sold everywhere. Youll regret it if u exchange it for a 20ga. They dont kick that badly anyway. I have a metal stock with no padding and fire 3" mag slugs from it.
~Ryan

[Zx2 puller]

i agree with ryan the kick from 12 guages aren't that bad, and you'll def regret getting rid of it. new or used? 6 shot or 8?

[ImCrazy]

6 shot, I'm thinking i'll keep the 12ga. I can't wait to go shoot some clays then the first weekend of may i'll go out to my uncles with my dad and we'll shoot some random shit on his land.

[zxtuner98]

20 is for pussies lol. The pumps and semi-autos dont kick hard at all. I wouldent worry about it. I have a single shot new england 12 gauge and im scared to shoot turkey loads out of it lol. To be honest, all the loads that fire out of that gun hurt because its so light.

[tre2000zx2]

here's some of my old guns. .. have more at my parents house locked up in the gun safe and have since added more to my home collection ill get pics of those soon need ot for the ins company anyway

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l190/tre2000zx2/000_0002.jpg

[zxtuner98]

What kinda AK is that? I got a norinco with a draganov polymer stock for it. Needs cut tho...

[ImCrazy]

Im keeping the 12ga, i just found out my dad picked up a 9mm s&w handgun too so im excited to crank off sound rounds with that next time I go home

[ZX2R]

For a shotgun...Benelli. Hard to go wrong. Personal opinion.

As far as the Black Talon ammo...it is some nasty stuff. However you can make your own cheaper.

The only shotgun better than the M4 you posted is the Remington 870MCS. Had I the $1000 to cover the shotgun and AOW tax I could have gotten it cheap. Now it's $2000 w/tax.

http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/870mcs.htm
That's all the same shotgun in those pictures. So versatile.


This is my personal protection piece for now. I've also owned the S&W 9mm everyone else has.
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/10/30200281124.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/6981495)
Taurus 605 .357, 2" ported barrel, concealed hammer loud enough you don't need to call the cops. This gun is point and click.

[powder]

I don't have any photo's and a lot of my collection is in my friends safe cuz i didn't want to keep them in my semi unsecured new house till i was sure of things. I'll list in order of purchase though.

Marlon Model 795 .22 semi auto riffle
Walther P22
Colt (real not knock off) AR15
Taurus 1911 ALR
Taurus Model 817SS2UL (.38 SPL)

Soon to come:
SIG P226 9mm

Used to have:
SIG P239 (.40S&W)
Benelli M4

Others i will not list because you said... "legal".

[zx2loon]

Others i will not list because you said... "legal".

I just don't want some kid to post up their dad's "Abrahams Tank" with serial #'s showing. Shit like that causes problems. My TEC is slightly on the illegal side but was a gift from a family member. Origionally bought in Miami from the company store. It's not registered and didn't need to be since it was a gift. Kind of a novelty item...that works and is upgraded.:chili:


Post what you feel safe posting. Doesn't bother me. Just wanting to keep the rest of us and CJW "safe" from the idiots in the world....

[ImCrazy]

welp I went out and picked up two 25 packs of target ammo, a cheap hard case, and a starter cleaning kit.

Some people baffle me however, my buddy asks me as were walking out of class yesterday, so did you get your gun yet? I said yeah I got the 12ga, his g/f's like omg why would you ever buy a gun. I said well I like shooting and hopefully 100% of the time i'll be doing target shooting or hunting with it. Her reply: well then can't you rent a gun, my relpy I don't want to rent plus if I did that I wouldn't have the gun for home protection incase I needed it. She said oh my god, your crazy whats the odds of someone breaking into your house, (well my future in-laws had theirs broken into and they live in a really nice area) I didn't tell her this, then she proceeded to tell me good luck not going to jail if you shoot someone in your house your gonna have to prove they provoked you, I said well thats gonna be hard when I put 3 12ga. shells through them and they can't come to the trial. {end rant lol}

WTF.

[zxtuner98]

Some people just dont like guns. But when the zombies attack, they'll want one...lol

[zx2loon]

Some people just dont like guns. But when the zombies attack, they'll want one...lol


I've said that for years!!

Usually people who don't like guns (not scared of) are usually the ones whom's ass we save one day. They want to bitch about protection but can't realize the police aren't everywhere and take time to get to victims. :supernana:

[ImCrazy]

I've said that for years!!

Usually people who don't like guns (not scared of) are usually the ones whom's ass we save one day. They want to bitch about protection but can't realize the police aren't everywhere and take time to get to victims. :supernana:



yepp!!!!, The police are busy and its a big city, I don't wanna wait for them to show up when some drug craized addict is robbing my place and willl do anything for his next score. Or if there's a major disaster and looters try to come around, Or what if I could just scare off a would be robber, Id imagine just hearing someone slide the pump on their gun would make most thieves wanna leave. .

[Zx2 puller]

yepp!!!!, The police are busy and its a big city, I don't wanna wait for them to show up when some drug craized addict is robbing my place and willl do anything for his next score. Or if there's a major disaster and looters try to come around, Or what if I could just scare off a would be robber, Id imagine just hearing someone slide the pump on their gun would make most thieves wanna leave. .

the sound of a pump shot gun is effective both loaded and unloaded. i don't think there is anyone dumb enough to wait and find out weather it is or isn't

[ImCrazy]

the sound of a pump shot gun is effective both loaded and unloaded. i don't think there is anyone dumb enough to wait and find out weather it is or isn't

haha yeah for sure.

I went out trap shooting went two rounds of 25, first round i hit 12 second i hit 17, I'm happy with those #'s since it was my first time shooting anything that moves lol.

[Zx2 puller]

haha yeah for sure.

I went out trap shooting went two rounds of 25, first round i hit 12 second i hit 17, I'm happy with those #'s since it was my first time shooting anything that moves lol.

better then me i suck at trap shooting, but put a target out 100-200 yards and im like 90-100% acurate and 70% are in the 9 and 10 rings

[ImCrazy]

nice, i guess I picked it up well, i credit all the first person shooters ive played over the years.

I am definatly hooked on the shooting thing now tho, next purchase i think will either be a .22 rifle for target shooting or a 9mm for personal protection and then getting my Concealed carry.

[ImCrazy]

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=98190299

^ sweet:run::biggun::biggun:

[zx2loon]

Nice choice on a barrel.

I wish more people would get involved in this thread. The other thread on the other forum had like 16 pages of people, guns, and other bull shit.
This one keeps dieing out.....:mad:

[ImCrazy]

I'm trying to keep it goin, I think i'll buy the barrel sometime this summer when I get some more cash flow, Id just keep that bad boy on the gun when It was in the closet for home defense and then use the 28" I have for all my other shooting needs.

[zx2loon]

I'm trying to keep it goin, I think i'll buy the barrel sometime this summer when I get some more cash flow, Id just keep that bad boy on the gun when It was in the closet for home defense and then use the 28" I have for all my other shooting needs.

Sounds like a plan. :dance:

[MrWeeyums]

I wish more people would get involved in this thread. The other thread on the other forum had like 16 pages of people, guns, and other bull shit.
This one keeps dieing out.....:mad:

I think a lot of them didnt re-register.
~Ryan

[zx2loon]

I know....there are quite a few who haven't registered again yet.

Maybe one day they will be back.

[zxtuner98]

I will continue to add to this thread. Been busy.

Where the hell is Mac. lol. random i know

[zx2loon]

I will continue to add to this thread. Been busy.

Where the hell is Mac. lol. random i know


I talked to Mac a few weeks ago. He's had a few family issues and been working aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalot. When he does have time off, he spends it with his family. I told him the old "team" website went down and he needed to register again here and at ZX2MS. He said he was going to as soon as he gets a chance........

I'll be chatting with him this weekend and remind him to come back aboard the good ship lolipop....

[random_hero]

Here might be the place to ask the question...what is involved when getting a pistol permit? My father has PLENTY of rifles but I've always wanted a pistol, not for concealed carrying or anything, but I'm afraid of getting shot down. I'm only 19 so I don't really have any use other than recreational for it. Just curious as to the process/time it takes to get one and reasons I wouldnt be able to? Like I said, I'm 19...no arrest's/tickets.....other than a few parking ones. Any input?

[zxtuner98]

Gotta be 21 to own a pistol. You apply for a pistol permit. If your background check passes, your able to own one.

[random_hero]

I thought it was 21 but was literally checking a page I bookmarked to verify that.

[zxtuner98]

I searched real quick. Googled NY pistol permit.

How much does it cost?

There is a $105.25 fee for NYSDCJS (New York State Department of Criminal Justice Services) upon submission of your application. Fee must be paid by money order only.

How long does it take to process?

Approximately 6 to 8 months.

[random_hero]

Yeah I have those pages bookmarked but I as hoping to hear from, say Weeyums, who might have one. Someone from NY who's experienced. the DMV site promises to be quick and friendly....so you never can trust NYS websites haha.

[zx2loon]

Gotta be 21 to own a pistol. You apply for a pistol permit. If your background check passes, your able to own one.

I think you needed to reword that a little better....oh well.

Now, local and state laws for your carry permit are different than actually buying a firearm.

To purchase a handgun, you need to be 21, no felony convictions or pending cases, preferably no misdameaners after the age of 18, no DUI or drug charges etc. That is the federal guide lines for the purchase of a handgun. If at anytime during the background check (of which you pay for at your local gun shop) if the government see any type of "red" flag, they will automatically deny your purchase of the handgun. You can however contest the results within 3 days. If they deny you the purchase, the state/federal government is required to send you a statement stating why you were denied.
In some cases, my friends have went to purchase a firearm, been denied the background check, only to be called 2 days later by the gunshop saying you are now approved. That's the way the governmet works, nothing you can do or say to change things.....

CCW or conceled carry wepon permits are provided by the state. (some states won't allow CCW permits unless you are police, military, detective etc...it's their choice.) You have to go through a state certified "CCW" class that is generally 8 to 16hrs depending on the state requirements. (Yes you will pay for the class as well, generally $60 to $100 in most states. Once the class is conducted, you will head out to the gun range to "qualify" with the firearm you brought/own. If you pass everything with flying colors, you will get a certificate stating you went throught the state certifide class. You will then go to your local DMV and present the certificate, fill out more paperwork, pay anywhere from $120 to $200 (once again depends on the state) get your mug shot taken, fingerprinted and leave with aboutly nothing but a bad taste in your mouth and a little $ lighter. Then you wait. Depending on the state, they (the state) have 30 to 90 days to approve or deny you. If they choose to deny you, you loose all of your money you have spent on the permit classes and the money spent at the DMV, peorid. There is no way to get it back no matter what you try to do. This is usually the deterent for most people because the thought of loosing up to $300 puts everyone on edge. Within the 30 to 90 day peorid, you will either get your handgun liscense sent to you in the mail, or you'll get your denial papers.

Remember, you can own a firearm, but your state can still deny you a CCW permit based on any damn thing they deem fit to deny you for.

You really need to "google" your local and state firearm regulations and information. Usually you can find this information on any "state".gov website. Read all of the laws and rules of a CCW permit and determin if you are comfortable with attempting to obtain one.

FYI, I purchased my Kimber .45ACP for $800, then I paid $65 for my CCW class, then I paid $120 to the state for the CCW permit. So with tax I spent a little over $1000 to purchase my firearm and get my permit. Sure some guns are cheaper than others just like some states will be cheaper than others on their classes and permit costs......that was just to give you an idea of what I paid for mine.


Anything I didn't answer for anyone??

Keep asking questions, I'm glad to help anyone out.....

[zx2loon]

You two made a couple of posts while I was typing franticly to answer Random's questoin....damn I was long winded wasn't I...:D

[MrWeeyums]

I havent gotten a pistol permit yet. I probably will one of these days but its too expensive and too much of a hassle right now.
~Ryan

[ZX2R]

You don't have to take the class if you are/were military. The pictures I had taken at Wal-Mart for $15. The fingerprinting costs $10 at your local precinct. Paying for the permit is the only expensive part, well besides getting the gun. The money is refundable in my state if you are denied. Man, got to love Florida.

[zx2loon]

You don't have to take the class if you are/were military. The pictures I had taken at Wal-Mart for $15. The fingerprinting costs $10 at your local precinct. Paying for the permit is the only expensive part, well besides getting the gun. The money is refundable in my state if you are denied. Man, got to love Florida.

Florida may be different but anyone should check with their local state laws before you do anything. Even though you may in the military at the ages of 18-20, you may still not purchase a handgun or obtain a permit in any state. That is a Federal Law and coincides with the "21" drinking law for military personel as well. What you can do on your base is different from what you can do off base.

[ZX2R]

Florida may be different but anyone should check with their local state laws before you do anything. Even though you may in the military at the ages of 18-20, you may still not purchase a handgun or obtain a permit in any state. That is a Federal Law and coincides with the "21" drinking law for military personel as well. What you can do on your base is different from what you can do off base.
There is no "Federal Law" on a 21 drinking age. That is all state law, in all states that want federal funding for the highway.

[Zx2 puller]

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/icemanbcc/050708_18331.jpg
Today at the range, not good but not bad either. 200 yards out, 60 rounds with my .308

[ImCrazy]

Does anyone do trap shooting regularly, im trying to find locations of places that offer it i found a few but is there a good directory of places to shoot?

[wifeszx2]

Mossberg 20gauge over/under Silver Reserve series walnut stock blue barrel

Mossberg 12gauge 935 autoloader synthetic black

Mossberg 12gauge 535 pump full camo

I'm an upland gamehunter extrodinaire
Pheasant
Grouse
Partridge
Dove
Quail

[zx2loon]

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/icemanbcc/050708_18331.jpg
Today at the range, not good but not bad either. 200 yards out, 60 rounds with my .308


What set up were you using??(type of gun, scope, ammo etc.) Has the .308 been sight corrected? At the range you were at with a .308, there seems to be some issues, either with you or the gun. The few .308's I've had the pleasure of playing with were either dead nuts on or shot lower right every time. I see where you have a few "groups both to the right and the bottom of center. Were you feeling for your range or was that the rifle??

I'm assumning you know how to shoot properly. I'm not being a smartass.

[zxtuner98]

Im guessing he wasent resting the gun. They are way too off pattern. Maybe just resting his elbow on the bench? With the front of the gun on a bag or something similar they should be much closer.

[Zx2 puller]

zx2loon it is my Cil 950T target rifle, with a tasco 6-24x scope, and i was using remington hunting ammo(all i could get, thanks to Dicks sporting goods crappy ammo selection). I know you weren't trying to be a smart ass.

Had to take my bi-pod off because the tables they have at the range suck. With the bi-pod on I was aiming 2-3 ft above the target(and i was getting annoyed trying to sit up or change my seating position on every shot), after I took the bi-pod off i pulled out a head rest from my truck and used it to kinda help steady my hand.

I was kinda angry, hadn't really messed with the adjustments much to correct my grouping, wasn't really taking my time for each shot, and that range is always very windy during the day.

Hopefully next time won't be as windy and not as hot. I usually shoot prone with my bi-pod, but I couldn't yesterday because the mirage effect i was getting.

[J_Mob]

Why did I not see this thread sooner?

[Zx2 puller]

Why did I not see this thread sooner?
what do you own?

[McG35]

Double post

[McG35]

I pretty much looked at all the pictures of the weapons as I went through and I thought I would put my future plans in. I am in the Army and one tour to Iraq under my belt. I am assigned a M-16A2 and a M-249 Saw. I am the gunner for the Mark 19 and the .50 cal machine gun. (I love both dearly). My only complaint about the M16 is that it is to freaking long. M-4 is much better suited for the purpose.

On to what I plan to get after I leave the Army in 2010 (whenever we get back that is)
-M-4 with all the assault goodies attached
-Short barrel Shotgun
-2 Glock .45's

I am not a hunter, never have, doubt I ever will, but if the shit hits the fan, I want to be more than ready to defend myself.

[J_Mob]

what do you own?

All kinds of stuff. I just like firearms.....I pick up a new one every once in a while- disassemble, study, clean, sometimes modify/finish, reassemble. Sometimes I keep and shoot them, sometimes trade them off. They are interesting to say the least....some of my favorites have been an SKS-D (Not a D as described online, but a factory AK conversion without any markings.....real slick, like the heft of it vs an AK) and a russian Makarov. Both of them far exceeded my expectations as to accuracy and performance, and are extremely reliable if maintained (kinda like cars huh). Piss on anyone who says otherwise, they obviously haven't shot one or never clean them if they have.:biggrin:

[Zx2 puller]

All kinds of stuff. I just like firearms.....I pick up a new one every once in a while- disassemble, study, clean, sometimes modify/finish, reassemble. Sometimes I keep and shoot them, sometimes trade them off. They are interesting to say the least....some of my favorites have been an SKS-D (Not a D as described online, but a factory AK conversion without any markings.....real slick, like the heft of it vs an AK) and a russian Makarov. Both of them far exceeded my expectations as to accuracy and performance, and are extremely reliable if maintained (kinda like cars huh). Piss on anyone who says otherwise, they obviously haven't shot one or never clean them if they have.:biggrin:

My sks was accurate before i put the scope on now it just sucks. I have to re-zero every time i go to the range, thanks to a crappy scope mount design, it needs to be drilled and tapped to the receiver.

[zxtuner98]

Yeah scopes on sks's and ak's are useless. You can move where it mount with your finger lol. The draganov's goes into the side of the stock and is bolted/screwed into the GUN and not the bolt cover idk what you call it on that gun haha.

[zx2loon]

zx2loon it is my Cil 950T target rifle, with a tasco 6-24x scope, and i was using remington hunting ammo(all i could get, thanks to Dicks sporting goods crappy ammo selection). I know you weren't trying to be a smart ass.

Had to take my bi-pod off because the tables they have at the range suck. With the bi-pod on I was aiming 2-3 ft above the target(and i was getting annoyed trying to sit up or change my seating position on every shot), after I took the bi-pod off i pulled out a head rest from my truck and used it to kinda help steady my hand.

I was kinda angry, hadn't really messed with the adjustments much to correct my grouping, wasn't really taking my time for each shot, and that range is always very windy during the day.

Hopefully next time won't be as windy and not as hot. I usually shoot prone with my bi-pod, but I couldn't yesterday because the mirage effect i was getting.


That makes more sense with the patterns I was looking at. Especially with a Tasco sitting on a 950T. Post some pics of your rifles when you get a chance...

[zx2loon]

All kinds of stuff. I just like firearms.....I pick up a new one every once in a while- disassemble, study, clean, sometimes modify/finish, reassemble. Sometimes I keep and shoot them, sometimes trade them off. They are interesting to say the least....some of my favorites have been an SKS-D (Not a D as described online, but a factory AK conversion without any markings.....real slick, like the heft of it vs an AK) and a russian Makarov. Both of them far exceeded my expectations as to accuracy and performance, and are extremely reliable if maintained (kinda like cars huh). Piss on anyone who says otherwise, they obviously haven't shot one or never clean them if they have.:biggrin:


So you enjoy pissing on people huh?

Here's a little info for you while your urinating...

Big difference between a "factory" AK, Chinese SKS and the Sino Soviet
AK-45/AK47. You may think you know something about these rifles but it's apperant you don't. Did you forget about the Yugoslavian M-70 Zastava?? It's a sister AK.

You may have your own opinion and I can respect that but you don't need to come into this thread and and say "Piss on anyone who says otherwise,they obviously haven't shot one or never clean them if they have" Trust me, some of these guys in this thread have more experiance and knowledge of firearms then you. And everyone of us has had a SKS. They are easily obtained for around $150 to $200 all day long. Usually cheaper at Flea Markets.

Now, if you'd like to, post some pics of your rifle collection, and continue with freindly conversation, but keep the smartass comments to your self please.

[zxtuner98]

Here's one safe full.

Up top, a old ass winchester single shot .22lr

Left to right, remington sportmaster .22, Norinco Ak47, Chineese sks w/20rd russian fixed mag conversion,Marlin 22mag aka"turkey banger" haha, Mosin Nagant m44,savage .22

The other safe has the deer rifles and shotguns. Some pistols to add too. I got a gift from my uncle lately. A New model 17 s&w 8 3/8 .22. 50 rounds through it. Only made in 1991. It's a beauty.





http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s123/zxtuner98/PICT0009-1.jpg

[ImCrazy]

shit dude looks like a nice collection.

[zx2loon]

Had many Norinco AK's...loved everyone of them.

I believe Mr.Weeyums has a Mosin Nagant....might be wrong on that. Anyways, people have been chatting about them recently, I might have to buy one.....

Let's see the rest of the collection...

[zxtuner98]

I will open up the other safe sooner or later. Swamped with work right now really... I love the Norinco too, flea markets FTW haha.A few of those are from the flea market.

The mosin is a nice gun too. It's quite heavy haha. Any war gun is i guess. They cracked open a case of them packed in cosmoline when i bought mine. Brand new, never issued. All matching #'s. 110 bucks out the gun show's doors. You should see the flame that comes out of the carbine[like mine] and the shockwaves it puts out haha. i love guns!

[J_Mob]

lOON-the piss on people who says otherwise was intended for those who bash Chinese weapons. Guess it didn't come out as intended, huh.

I've met a lot of people who "know" about guns, and everyone always has an opinion on whats best.....I guess all it boils down to is will it get the job done when it's needed, whatever the job may be.

I do not usually post pics of my pieces on line, though on rare occasions I have done so......I'll see if I have anything saved in the harddrive.

[J_Mob]

Oh, and forgot...a Crvena Zastava M70 is a 7.65 (.32) pistol.....I know, I had one of those crappy little guns. Nice, heavy steel.....durable, and jammed up all the time since it was so worn. Parts were difficult to find, to say the least.

EDIT-to avoid looking like too much of an a**hole, I have realized that a Zastava M70 is a pistol, while it looks like a Zastava M-70 is a carbine. Go figure...........

[zx2loon]

Yes, your right. I forgot about the pistol considering we were discussing rifles. I was talking about this:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i136/zx2loon/800px-Zastava_M-70_.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Zastava_M70B


Big difference between that and a .32......

[zx2loon]

I will open up the other safe sooner or later. Swamped with work right now really... I love the Norinco too, flea markets FTW haha.A few of those are from the flea market.

The mosin is a nice gun too. It's quite heavy haha. Any war gun is i guess. They cracked open a case of them packed in cosmoline when i bought mine. Brand new, never issued. All matching #'s. 110 bucks out the gun show's doors. You should see the flame that comes out of the carbine[like mine] and the shockwaves it puts out haha. i love guns!

I've shot one and a few friends have them. I wasn't impressed at the time but we were shooting a .50BMG and S&W.50......I guess I was a little preoccupied..:rocknana:

[Zx2 puller]

loon i am right below you on the first page with all of my guns.

[J_Mob]

Here's a photo project I used for a background image. Only picture I could find......Can anyone tell what they are??

http://a988.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/57/l_e500a87cb3c010e0e3f0323e5ca67abb.jpg

[Chuck Norris]

Best weapon ever?





.....me.

[Zx2 puller]

Here's a photo project I used for a background image. Only picture I could find......Can anyone tell what they are??

http://a988.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/57/l_e500a87cb3c010e0e3f0323e5ca67abb.jpg

sks with 30 round detachable mag and ATI folding stock with bayonet

Mossberg 500a persuader

[J_Mob]

sks with 30 round detachable mag and ATI folding stock with bayonet

Mossberg 500a persuader

Yeah...talking about my sks probably gave it away;). It is a mossberg 500a reciever so it's basically a persuader I suppose (though it didn't come that way), it has a full mechanical firing pin assy vs the spring loaded crap it came with.

[Loser47]

well, i dont have any assault rifles( mainly cuz you can only *legally* own a ten round mag on a semiauto rifle where i live, so whats the point?) but i do have a remington 512 made in 1958 and a cheap ass russian 12 gauge

[ImCrazy]

\

[zxtuner98]

home protection, nope. In your case, id close the breech, dry fire, load three rounds and let it sit. All youd have to do is a full pump and one's ready to go.

[MrWeeyums]

I believe Mr.Weeyums has a Mosin Nagant....might be wrong on that. Anyways, people have been chatting about them recently, I might have to buy one.....


That was my friend Ants we were shooting. He bought it for $100 at Gander Mountain on a whim one day. I just have my Yugo SKS, Remington 870, Stevens double, and Stevens pump .22
~Ryan

[zx2loon]

those of you who use a gun for home protection, do you keep it locked or no? I'm struggling with the decision, locked in the dark I can get out of bed open my case grab my hidden key unlock the gun and chamber a round....... but i wonder if it will be quick enough just in case.

Depends on weather or not you have children or how you feel about it. My wife's Glock is "cocked and locked" in her bed side table drawer. My Kimber is "cocked an locked" (always mind you) and holstered in my bed side holster
at night.
It's not the fear of my daughter comming into our bedroom and playing with the guns but rather the fear of not having them ready when the moment counts. Having a firearm and being "safe" with it is different than having a firearm ready while being "safe and responsible". Every morning my wife decocks her Glock and puts it in the gun safe. My firearm is always on myself or in it's carrying case locked during the day, at night, it gets put into the bedside holster.
A rifle or shot gun is different. Long guns can be hard to handle and kept ready if not kept under the bed or leaned up againt the wall during the night. You can always place it back up during the day. Just make it a habbit every morning to put it away and to get it back out every night.


That was my friend Ants we were shooting. He bought it for $100 at Gander Mountain on a whim one day. I just have my Yugo SKS, Remington 870, Stevens double, and Stevens pump .22
~Ryan

I thought you at least shot one.....

[zx2loon]

Best weapon ever?





.....me.


Liar. I challenge you to a match of wits and sticks. You are no match for a god. Die you liberal scum!! :vit:

[ImCrazy]

good advice loon thanks!

[Loser47]

those of you who use a gun for home protection, do you keep it locked or no? I'm struggling with the decision, locked in the dark I can get out of bed open my case grab my hidden key unlock the gun and chamber a round....... but i wonder if it will be quick enough just in case.

I used to leave mine standing in the corner by my nightstand, safety off, with one in the chamber, (livin close to the ghetto makes you feel like you need to do that)until it fell one night and i realized, wow, that could have been my life. now i keep it loaded under my bed cuz the way my room is you cant see anything

[J_Mob]

Just keep it close at hand and loaded......I don't think you need one in the stovepipe unless you're a really heavy sleeper. My opinion, anyways.......

I guess leaving one in the chamber would depend on what type of piece it was. I won't leave my Raven +1, but I have no fears of my S&W with one in the chamber since it has a decocker...........

[smooth]

here are just a couple of the fun toys I get to play with. Let me know if your guys come close to these?

http://photos-274.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v239/157/70/184802274/n184802274_31493586_4641.jpg

if you want to reach out and touch somebody use that gun.

http://photos-274.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v239/157/70/184802274/n184802274_31493585_131.jpg

if you don't want anybody to hear you use this one...subsonic ammo helps tho!

in the second picture you can notice my SAW M249 in it. It has the EOtech scope with the short barrell and collasable butt stock.

[tachman6500]

keep doing your job smooth

[zxtuner98]

Nice weapons :) Keep kickin' ass man.

[CJW]

I want a .410/45 derringer. Why you might ask?

I have no answer for that. It is really a very impractical gun that's only good use would be to stop a mugger in close contact. Beyond that, it is simply a wrist breaker with about 3 shots worth of amusement before you start getting fatigued.

I'd say I want the taurus "judge" but....not for 450 bucks. My 357 with shot shells works fine for snakes on the trail so I can't even justify it that way.


Oh and for those that remember that I wanted a glock 22c...I am buying it in august. But I am looking into the gun after that which I will probably be buying in October.

All the guns are at my dads. We are cleaning everything this weekend after we do ball joints on his truck. So I will get pics this weekend.

[ImCrazy]

sweet dubbs.

[ImCrazy]

,,,

[OGreaTFuzzY1]

http://www.undeadreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/zds11.jpg

i'll buy a gun when i need to fear zombies

~Fuzzy

[ImCrazy]

^ lol, there are people I see in toledo that would qualify as zombies.

[J_Mob]

I WANT ONE OF THOSE CARDS! Where did you get that, Fuzzy?

[ImCrazy]

http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php?model=2

my next purchase a few years down the road when i can afford my ccw permit and the gun of course lol.

[ImCrazy]

'

[zxtuner98]

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=99932025

kinda thinking about these, load one in my 12ga 1st shoot em with that first then let em have the #6 game loads, then the 00 buck.

eh, i shoot to kill. If someone broke into my house, theyre not leaving alive. Im sure that shit hurts like fuck though.

[J_Mob]

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=99932025

kinda thinking about these, load one in my 12ga 1st shoot em with that first then let em have the #6 game loads, then the 00 buck.

Don't bother......rubber shot can still be lethal at close range, and using it without "proper" training will leave you open to legal retaliation. Just kill them. There's less paperwork.........

[MrWeeyums]

If you kill them they cant testify against you or come looking for you when they get out of jail years later. Normal buckshot is cheaper anyway.
~Ryan

[5spd07gt]

i own a;

winchester model 700 30-06
winchester model 1300 12ga
Smith & Wesson 40cal semi auto
high point 9mm
marlin .22

[ImCrazy]

If you kill them they cant testify against you or come looking for you when they get out of jail years later. Normal buckshot is cheaper anyway.
~Ryan

good point. I guess I will just go with the shoot em three times and make sure their dead theory.

[zx2loon]

http://www.undeadreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/zds11.jpg

i'll buy a gun when i need to fear zombies

~Fuzzy

You really need proof. No lie. No joke. Read the link below and act befre it's too late......

http://www.cracked.com/article_15643_5-scientific-reasons-zombie-apocalypse-could-actually-happen.html

[J_Mob]

ZOMBIES...................:something:
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/8996/badmongo1hn.jpg

[Zx2 puller]

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/icemanbcc/Picture04.jpg
The SKS before i swapped scopes and before the muzzle brake broke.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/icemanbcc/Picture01.jpg
My Mossberg before the collapsible butt stock.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/icemanbcc/Picture03.jpg
Dad's Ruger 10/22.

[zx2loon]

Sweet set of toys....no pistola??

[Zx2 puller]

Sweet set of toys....no pistola??

nope not yet have to get my permit. NJ sucks, all of the fun guns are a pain in the ass to get and customize. my sks is border line illegal.

[J_Mob]

nope not yet have to get my permit. NJ sucks, all of the fun guns are a pain in the ass to get and customize. my sks is border line illegal.

Bayonet lug or flash suppressor?

While Denver is a hippy city, overall here in Colorado our rights are fairly well protected.....though there are assholes trying to change that all the time. Not a lot of stuff is restricted, and you can buy a handgun if you're over 21. You can even legally have a loaded and chambered handgun or revolver in your vehicle "for protection of person and property in transit" per state law, which also "shall supercede all munincipality laws in regards to this subject"

I wouldn't buy a house in Denver due to their regulating +20 mags and mandatory ballistic sample/registration bullshite. Highest crime rate in the area, and also the most regulations......go figure, look at D.C.

[J_Mob]

Like I said, I usually avoid posting pictures.... but I like this site, so I'll share a peep.

Here's my CZ's
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r124/Co_69/75c2.jpg
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r124/Co_69/40b1.jpg

Stupid HTML....forgot to take out the http

[Zx2 puller]

^nice

[Zx2 puller]

i just sanded the stock on my mauser and I'm not sure if i should stain it or paint it. i'm thinking about painting it black. what do you guys think i should do?

[zx2loon]

Like I said, I usually avoid posting pictures.... but I like this site, so I'll share a peep.

Here's my CZ's
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r124/Co_69/75c2.jpg
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r124/Co_69/40b1.jpg

Stupid HTML....forgot to take out the http


Mmmmmm CZ's....one still looks to be new having the plastic still on the clips.

[Zx2 puller]

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/icemanbcc/9626409_l.jpg
old pic of my sks before i put the Choate stock on it

[ImCrazy]

i just sanded the stock on my mauser and I'm not sure if i should stain it or paint it. i'm thinking about painting it black. what do you guys think i should do?

id go with black, I just like black stocks for some reason idk why...

[zxtuner98]

Is your mauser a sporter or authtehic style stock? Painting wood is kinda lame.Stain looks ten times better.

[Zx2 puller]

zxtuner98 Is your mauser a sporter or authtehic style stock? Painting wood is kinda lame.Stain looks ten times better.

Its an authentic style stock. Here is a pic before I sanded it. It is a M38 from 1943.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/icemanbcc/Picture106.jpg

I'm thinking about a dark stain or clear coat after more sanding.

[ImCrazy]

hrmm i think keep it the natural wood color lol .

[Zx2 puller]

i'm just gonna clear it then.

[zxtuner98]

Yeah authentic is the way to go for war rifles IMO. I dont even damper with the stock. It's just the way i roll haha.

[J_Mob]

Mmmmmm CZ's....one still looks to be new having the plastic still on the clips.

It's pretty close, only hd a couple clips through it. Unfortunately not by me. I haven't had time to go to the range since I bought it.....

[MrWeeyums]

http://www.forthehunt.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=100308474

Just saw this today. Im impressed thats goin for that much. Mines almost identical except its the higher wingmaster model and i didnt even pay half that and got a vent rib barrel too.
~Ryan

[ImCrazy]

.

[ImCrazy]

http://www.forthehunt.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=100308474

Just saw this today. Im impressed thats goin for that much. Mines almost identical except its the higher wingmaster model and i didnt even pay half that and got a vent rib barrel too.
~Ryan

sweet deal I love riot guns.

[solo]

m-4
http://a453.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/6/l_b6e5e866953e0ccda33d711f3d21bf3c.jpg
http://a323.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/78/l_e763d76910e539d459f7d827eff8856a.jpg
6.5 grendal
http://a565.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/107/l_6b7100274ed52c35aee9f4e24dae57dc.jpg
.220 swift custom rifle i just got done building.
http://a420.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/l_bbbd9a1b3c8630e23840e26dfb425c73.jpg
also have a sick .17hmr and a xd .40 tatical that i need to get pics of

[Zx2 puller]

^very nice what scope are you using

[solo]

what gun?

[Zx2 puller]

on the .220

[zxtuner98]

m4 is on my to buy list. buy an aimpoint off my uncle for it and im set. id love to get a trijicon but the price is a little much even though it would set the gun off.

[Zx2 puller]

after i pay off my credit card, i think i'm gonna buy a g3 clone, a dragonov, another mauser, or a new remington 700 .308 or 300

[Zx2 puller]

found some really cool gunsmithing vids
http://www.youtube.com/user/MidwayUSA

[ImCrazy]

sweet videos.

[OGreaTFuzzY1]

so anyone know when the zombies are planing to attack lol :p

i plan to buy a few guns sometime next year anyone got any good choices :p

~Fuzzy

[ImCrazy]

mossberg 500 12ga and a springfield xd 9mm.

[TheCrazyGuy]

Guns are cool mmkay

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g80/ablexus/Siginhand2.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g80/ablexus/Shotgunwithlasersight.jpg

[Zx2 puller]

before
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/icemanbcc/Picture106.jpg

after sanding and refinishing

[ImCrazy]

lookin good man.

[CraZx2ing]

I know you all like weapons, and I know you like girls. So below is a picture of my wife, with a weapon :).

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3146/2555166478_4d14543a0e.jpg?v=0

[MrWeeyums]

Tsk tsk. FOT
~Ryan

[TheCrazyGuy]

Looks like the setup at the last NASCAR event I went to.

[zx2loon]

Sweet P229......Sigs are about the best handgun on the market for the price and the reliability. I'm dying to get one one of these days....My wife carries a Sig 232, .380. It's a good ladies wepon for concellment in purses.

[ImCrazy]

welp I went out to the range today and shot an old old sigma .40 shot 100 rounds and heres the results. Over all I'm mildly pleased I had never shot at a range before and the trigger pull on a sigma is pretty hard (12lbs or something) but I'm got used to it and with time I feel like I can improve my groupings Two of the sillouettes i shot 30 rounds @ two of them I shot 15 at. and the bullseye i shot 12 at (this one was pathetic except the bullseye lmao.) http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l239/imcrazy0784/P1010022-1.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l239/imcrazy0784/P1010021.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l239/imcrazy0784/P1010020.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l239/imcrazy0784/P1010019.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l239/imcrazy0784/P1010023-1.jpg

[ImCrazy]

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/images/firearms/220059_thumb.jpg
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=53919&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15713&isFirearm=Y
the firearm I used.

[J_Mob]

Not bad-how far out did you put them? I need to go to the range......I've never even shot my CZ-40B (or any .40 S&W for that matter).



Side Note.I just finished a Tapco conversion on my bubba sportster...if I can get a good pic maybe I'll post it. Gotta say though, after all the cutting and modding to get it to work, I kinda had buyers remorse (not as clean after cutting)-but it does still look cool. Hopefully it still shoots good.

[ImCrazy]

that was about 25-30 feet. the range just had a 21 ft mark and i was 5+ feet past it for sure. It was hot as fuck in there too no ac lol.

[ImCrazy]

what is a tapco conversion?

[J_Mob]

Well Tapco is a manufacturer. They are a US company, so some of the parts they make count as sec 922R compliance parts. I'm using the term conversion since I turned an sks from normal config (well, mine wasn't normal to begin with but besides the point) to a tactical configuration (for lack of a better term). By using enough US made parts, you change the way the ATF views the rifle (i.e. from an import to a US made) wich changes what is viewed as legal to be on the rifle (i.e. most ak's for sale any more are made from parts kits with the minimum amount of US parts to make them legal by federal standards). it's a bunch of bullshit, but anyways the parts looked cool. Here is a stock photo...mine was with the black instead of green. you can look up Tapco (add guns or sks if you google- tapco is also a tool company).

http://www.tapco.com/Show_image.aspx?id=b0fee221-4a27-477e-a4c4-c2648371627c&s=s

(edit-oh, and I don't have any optics yet either. That's the net step...maybe a light/laser combo and a red dot or scope).

[ImCrazy]

sweeet.

[J_Mob]

that was about 25-30 feet. the range just had a 21 ft mark and i was 5+ feet past it for sure. It was hot as fuck in there too no ac lol.

Yeah the range out in Aurora is like that. Dimly lit, only ventilation is some ancient fans (that meet the minimum requirements I'm guessing). Feels kinda like your shooting in a cave...it's awesome.heh.

[ImCrazy]

Yeah the range out in Aurora is like that. Dimly lit, only ventilation is some ancient fans (that meet the minimum requirements I'm guessing). Feels kinda like your shooting in a cave...it's awesome.heh.

haha yeah its kinda cool I like shooting out in someones back yard better but its not bad, i like it @ the range too.

[Zx2 puller]

range day today if its not too hot

[MrWeeyums]

Well Tapco is a manufacturer. They are a US company, so some of the parts they make count as sec 922R compliance parts. I'm using the term conversion since I turned an sks from normal config (well, mine wasn't normal to begin with but besides the point) to a tactical configuration (for lack of a better term). By using enough US made parts, you change the way the ATF views the rifle (i.e. from an import to a US made) wich changes what is viewed as legal to be on the rifle (i.e. most ak's for sale any more are made from parts kits with the minimum amount of US parts to make them legal by federal standards). it's a bunch of bullshit, but anyways the parts looked cool. Here is a stock photo...mine was with the black instead of green. you can look up Tapco (add guns or sks if you google- tapco is also a tool company).

http://www.tapco.com/Show_image.aspx?id=b0fee221-4a27-477e-a4c4-c2648371627c&s=s

(edit-oh, and I don't have any optics yet either. That's the net step...maybe a light/laser combo and a red dot or scope).


We dont have the luxury of being able to put any of that stuff on an sks in NY or else i would have that stock by now.
~Ryan

[J_Mob]

We dont have the luxury of being able to put any of that stuff on an sks in NY or else i would have that stock by now.
~Ryan

Sucks. You can't even use the stock with the original mag?

I needed to relace the folding stock the guy I bought it from had put on there (it is a "D", plus I hate the side folders anyways) and I found the Tapco setup. It's not bad....still all plastic but then what isn't anymore I guess. I'm not sure about the vertical grip-it feels a little akward but I'll have to shoot it to tell for sure.

One thing I can say-if after putting all these US manufactured parts (conformance parts or whatnot) it doesn't shoot as good as it used too, I am going to be pissed. I have never had a jam, missfire, or slam fire to date with it-if it's all crappified by the conformance parts I am going to think conspiracy. Luckily I have all the old parts (except the stock, unfortunately).

[MrWeeyums]

I cant remember exactly the story with the stock, but Cabellas wont even ship them to NY. Its somethin like the number of "assault rifle features". I have a Yugo sks, so id have to pull off the bayonette, grenade launcher, night sights, etc... to be able to use that stock cause it would no longer be classified as a curio/relic. Its a whole load of bs laws that are confusing and frustrating.
~Ryan

[J_Mob]

Yeah that's the conformance law I was talking about (having to take off the grenade launcher and stuff). Tapco has a kit with all the parts for converting a Yugo into a US made weapon per that sec 922r bullshite. Now if NY has an actual ban on rifles classified as "assault" type weapons then once you made it federally legal you'd be breaking local law. SUCKS 4 U (JK) :)

What the hell is an "Assault" weapon anyways? I could assault someone with a rock...and once used to commit assault the rock would be considered a weapon.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:8yNeYYa8E5A5fM:http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/04/30/nyregion/30dino-533.jpg
Dangerous Assult Weapons (police evidence)

[Zx2 puller]

j mob i have a wooden stock if u need it, if ur stuff doesnt work out for you

[J_Mob]

Is it the kind with the square metal insert? I have a "Sporter" model, the ones they imported in 1988 before they were banned.....

(because if I can find one of those I will pick it up just to have all the original parts).

[Zx2 puller]

mine is a yugo stock

[RedRooster]

Remington 870 Express

[J_Mob]

mine is a yugo stock

Eh, no thanks. I'm only wanting one of the original style stocks so if the whim hits me I can return it to original configuration. The "sporters" take AK mags, and the original wood stocks had a wierd inset metal liner around the mag well.

[zx2loon]

Guys....this is my next firearm!!!

The Sig Sauer P250

http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=54&productid=183


This fucker rocks!!!!

The Sig Catalog
https://www.sigsauer.com/CustomerService/documents/08SIGSAUERWeb.pdf

[CJW]

but will it replace your 1911 in carry duty?

[J_Mob]

Not bad.

[ImCrazy]

Guys....this is my next firearm!!!

The Sig Sauer P250

http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=54&productid=183


This fucker rocks!!!!

The Sig Catalog
https://www.sigsauer.com/CustomerService/documents/08SIGSAUERWeb.pdf

ohh nice the Cadillacs of handguns. I love Sigs ive only shot one once I like the interchangeability of it I might check one out.

[CJW]

got some chrome parts installed on my glock last night.

pic at lunch

[ImCrazy]

got some chrome parts installed on my glock last night.

pic at lunch

lol nice. lets see em lunch was long ago friend.

[CJW]

lol nice. lets see em lunch was long ago friend.

I posted it in the freedom section lol

[ImCrazy]

I posted it in the freedom section lol

whats that lol a section for paying members only?

[zxtuner98]

^ yeah :(

[ImCrazy]

^ yeah :(

Hrm.... I've never cared much to pay to see user posted content, actually ive never paid to see any content on the web.... :shrug::confused: :(

[J_Mob]

Join Us>>>>>

[CJW]

it's pretty much where I post. I don't really pay attention to much lately because I am too busy.

[CJW]

But http://www.teamzx2.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1418&d=1216398279

My post wasn't meant to try to get money or make people join. I was simply pointing out that I did not forget...you just didnt see the pic.

[ImCrazy]

i just feel a bit jipped that ive been a member here for two years and now all of a sudden I have to pay to see certain sections of the forum..... end off topic convo

[J_Mob]

Yeah I could see your point- but don't you like the advertisement free environment?
I don't know their reasons for trying to generate funds, but I know nothing is free so..

I haven't taken any pics yet, but to help keep it on track here is a picture of a typical sniper....

http://a901.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/89/m_797d0abf745f39092ff359e55afb04b4.jpg

[ImCrazy]

Ad's don't bother me if its for a good cause AKA me not paying i'm all for ad's

[J_Mob]

I hate adds, flash media, and the associated "spyware". My opinion, but honestly I don't know if it even has any relevance. But from my perspective, this site rawks so I'll help if I can.

But, back on track. I really hate posting evid..I mean pictures on line:). Here's my favorites, dirty girls doing a 69.......
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r124/Co_69/69.jpg

[ImCrazy]

I hate adds, flash media, and the associated "spyware". My opinion, but honestly I don't know if it even has any relevance. But from my perspective, this site rawks so I'll help if I can.

But, back on track. I really hate posting evid..I mean pictures on line:). Here's my favorites, dirty girls doing a 69.......
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r124/Co_69/69.jpg

sweet what are those smith and wesson?

[CJW]

the section and donte tab were requested. I don't care if you choose to use them or not. no big deal eithe way really.

if you don't want to be in the subscription forum ignore it and act like its not there.

and for the topic. im buying a springfield champion this week. I found a deal I can't pass up.

[J_Mob]

sweet what are those smith and wesson?

Yes those are my S&W's-a pair of 469's. The first gun I ever bought was a Raven P-25 that didn't work. The first real gun I bought (second:)) was the top 469.....and I finally found a partner for it not too long ago, that came with enough extra parts to spruce the old one back up and have two. They are awesome pistols IMO. Not too complicated-just enough to get required performance. Fairly accurate for the barrel lengths, and reliable as long as clean and well fed (they didn't like Silver Bear at all..). I know there are many better pistols in the modern age, but for some reason this one took to me.

Can you tell I've got an attachment?

[J_Mob]

im buying a springfield champion this week. I found a deal I can't pass up.


Found a 1911 huh. Nice.

[zx2loon]

Dubbs will be posting said Springfield shortly.


Right Dubbs???


:p




just wanted the thread back to the top......:bangnana:

[ImCrazy]

ive heard 1911's have some feeding problems is this true?

[zxtuner98]

ive heard 1911's have some feeding problems is this true?

new ones. or some bullets, powder charge depending.

[CJW]

picked up my 'springfield milspec G.I. champion' last night. I have pics on my phone. ill try to upload at lunch.

full size frame 4" bull barrel. the basic of basic models. planning to do a full trigger job, night sights, polish feed ramp, and have the ejection port cleaned up. might have the whole thing recoated jet black then too.

man did I underestimate the amount of parts in the 1911. ill be attempting to detail strip it tonight. I figured out how to field strip it.

feed problems can be fixed easily with a bit of either good parts or a polishing wheel.

[Gunslinger]

heres my collection (minus the AK 47).
I had to sell my AK so my old lady would buy my 44 ruger super blackhawk.
and ive never been happier


http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z220/gunslingerboy/DSCN1605.jpg


now while its no brainer i like guns... i have always had a deep love for revolvers. autos are great. but i believe revolvwers are more elegant. (plus im just ol school like that) out of all my guns, this is my favorite, and this is what i sold my AK 47 for.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z220/gunslingerboy/DSCN2257.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z220/gunslingerboy/DSCN2258.jpg

[CJW]

I pulled a tenden(sp?) in my middle knuckle on my right hand putting etirely too much force on a wrench when attempting to remove a drum from a pissed off minivan....I told you that so you understand the great pain I felt while shooting my friend's dad's 44mag.

but man was it fun. I see little to no reason for me to own one personally. I would never use it. im not sure th brand of his...it just beat me up

[J_Mob]

Magnums are stress relievers according to my father......?

^Gunslinger- plus revolvers will always go boom if there is a good bullet in it. Kind of a trade of in capacity for reliability and the ability to shoot a hotter load. Nice stainless piece....I don't know if I would have traded an AK off for it, but that's just my opinion.

[CJW]

camera phone pics...

[J_Mob]

Parkerized.....WTF is up with the badger?

[CJW]

nothing is up with the badger...


I'd like to have it coated jet black at some point...but it's not high priority right now. The sights and beavertail are.

[J_Mob]

Badgers everywhere........closing in. ahhhahaahaha

Anyways, what-Durocoat? My wife wanted to try to get into that, but between the coatings, sprayers, compressor, etc. and a safe to keep guns in while working on them. Too much money. It's cool stuff though, you can do camo, black, red,....HOt Pink:).


Anyone seen the hello kitty ar-15? I'm gonna try to find a pic....

[J_Mob]

Okay someone's made new ones...here's a couple.

http://www.riflegear.com/blogimages/HelloKittyParts.jpg

Holy crap this one is gay...

http://www.glamguns.com/mylittleponycarbine.jpg (http://www.glamguns.com/mylittleponycarbine.jpg)
http://blog.lib.umn.edu/deg/campfire/images/HelloKittyP14.jpg



Anyways, I can't even find the one I was looking for. It was one in a gunstore on the east coast.....I seen it years ago on a gun site. Maybe it is gone? I wonder who bought it....


Edit-nope, found a link...http://www.kittyhell.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/hello-kitty-assault-rifle.jpg

[CJW]

not sure what type of coating yet. id just like it black... accessories will be polished for that ooooo aaaaaaahhhh effect

[Zx2 puller]

went to the range today. didnt do too bad, found out i have to make a thin shim for my front scope mount, i'm shooting 4-5 inches too low and my elevation knob is maxed out.

[Mike]

I want a gun. Is there a hand gun that you guys would recommend for a beginner I guess?

I was in the Army, so I've used some rifles and such, but I just want a small hand gun.

[aprophetofone]

a beretta m9 isnt a bad starter gun, not cheap, but a good gun. the resale value on them is quite astonishing.

i had one along time ago and sold it.

this ones for you loon
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h189/8dayz/0622081741-02.jpg
this ones for carry
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h189/8dayz/0622081740-02.jpg
cause baby ima hustla.....
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h189/8dayz/trislot20.jpg

[CJW]

I want a gun. Is there a hand gun that you guys would recommend for a beginner I guess?

I was in the Army, so I've used some rifles and such, but I just want a small hand gun.

the first handgun I shot was a .357 with a 38+p round in it. 5 round revolver. 3" barrel. Easy to learn on, easy to shoot.

A few of my friends that are beginners got Smith and Wesson Sigmas. 2 got 9mm, 1 got a .40s&w. I personally do not care for the s&w trigger. It seems too flimsy or toylike. But all but 1 loves it. That one is Got Milf and I haven't heard whether he likes it or not yet. I would assume he does.

I'd suggest a 9mm for a first gun. You will grow old of anything less in a semi auto. If you want a revolver I'd suggest a .357 and start out with .38 rounds in it to learn the gun.

I think my next pistol is probably going to be a small carry revolver or a taurus "the judge" .410(walking through the woods use)

[ImCrazy]

I want a gun. Is there a hand gun that you guys would recommend for a beginner I guess?

I was in the Army, so I've used some rifles and such, but I just want a small hand gun.

I've shot my cousins smith an wesson sigma .40 the most.

However the sigma is a heavy trigger, however you can pick one up new for 319, its a great starter gun but, if you have a bit more to spend i would recommend a Springfield XD, IMO its the best deal on a handgun out there a new one can be had for about $500 but it includes a holster a speed loader and a couple magazines it also can be had in almost any caliber. Glocks are awesome guns too nice trigger squeeze for a beginner they have alot to offer in a modification standpoint and you can pick up a used police trade in at a local gun shop for less than $400 Glocks last forever from what I hear too.

No matter what I'd get a 9mm the rounds are cheap I love the .40 but the rounds are almost 2x the price of the 9mm and the knock down of a 9mm is more than sufficient esp with hallow points.

Check out gunbroker.com sometime also.

good luck,
aaron. :biggun::biggun:

[CJW]

I did a side by side comparo with my glock 22, full size 40 and my buddy john's xd full size 40. The xd shoots well, but honestly the glock is much smoother. All things considered I'd buy both... Glock and a very very close second to xd. BUT typically when I hear newbie I hear "I don't want to spend TOO much" and that leaves out A LOT of guns.


P.S. I just ordered a blued beaver tail grip safety and jig from wilson combat. While I was there I ordered a skeletonized match trigger and some stainless hex head grip screws. (for the 1911)

I will likely be ordering an extended tactical thumb safety, extended slide lock, trigger kit, and nicer grips in the near future.

I will be going this week to the gun shop to talk about some new night sights.

[J_Mob]

I want a gun. Is there a hand gun that you guys would recommend for a beginner I guess?

I was in the Army, so I've used some rifles and such, but I just want a small hand gun.

If you can find a Makarov (Pistolet Makarova) pistol they are good, reliable, and still fairly cheap. You can find them in 9mm makarov and .380 acp. They are milsurp (or commercial versions in mil spec) based off Russian design. They are fairly easy to clean up, and parts are dirt cheap. I would go for a Russian first, then German, then Bulgarian. Yugo guns are not true Maks, but are still cheap and pretty good from what I have heard.

Other than that I would suggest a 9mm due to the cheap plentiful ammo, usefullness in self defense, and overall balance. I would suggest something along the lines of a S&W 59/69 or a CZ75, either of which should be easily attainable in the 300-400 dollar range used-maybe cheaper depending on the area. They are both proven designs in their many forms...

[zxtuner98]

My dad has a Makarov. It's ok. Recoil gets old, real fast. Your hand will hate you.

[J_Mob]

They're not that bad on recoil....the ones I shot were all .380 acp versions but the bullet is basically identical in properties. The 9mm Mak is a little hotter but not by much.

I got to ask if you were shooting hand loads or factory, what kind of shape the piece was in and what version it was, and if it was old........they make replacement springs for them. I wouldn't say a Makarov pistol has much recoil at all IMO......

[LunchBoxZX2]

Well I've had a lot of these things... currently I still have my G26 and G27, and after about 5 years of having them completely stock, last night I ordered the following:

Factory extended slide release x 2
3.5lb disconnect and NY-1 trigger x 2
+2 mag caps (I had +1's on the .40 and grip extensions on the 9) x 4
Bar-Sto stainless drop-in barrel with reverse rifling x 2
BigDot sights x 2

That should keep me happy for a long while I think. I have probably put 7-8,000 rounds through each of these and not one problem at all, not one jam, nothing.

[J_Mob]

Isn't the lifespan on a Glock rated at 5000 rnds or something like that?

[LunchBoxZX2]

Not really... things can start to break from wear at around that range I guess, but they are extremely cheap to repair and are all DIY repair jobs. I have had no issues with either of mine what-so-ever. I know guys who have put 10-15,000 rounds through theirs and not had to replace anything yet, so I'd venture to say no. They are less prone to malfunction than most others on the market.

[J_Mob]

Huh, I just thought I had read that somewhere. Maybe it was service life for duty use (like department issue) or something.

[aprophetofone]

yay this thread isn't dying anymore!

[J_Mob]

I'll talk about guns all day. My wife gets mad at me for spending so much time on colorado gun market and gun broker-says it's like my porn.

[Zx2 puller]

^I’m the same way, I can talk about guns all day. The lifespan on guns or anything mechanical all rely on basic maintenance. As long as you clean your guns and oil/grease them regularly there should be no problems. Some internal parts may brake and the barrel will eventually wear to a point were it is less accurate; but considering the bullets are so soft compared the barrels this will take a very long time.

[ImCrazy]

I love talking about guns man, my old lady gets sick of hearing about them.

[J_Mob]

Hehe....and even better, I have found there are videos of chicks shooting guns.:D

Yeah, definitely^^ about the maintenance (like vehicles too). I've deducted (and been told by others) that * is the reason for my success with chinese pieces. I generally do a complete strip and clean after every use if I have time........

[J_Mob]

Hmm....well, opinions? Sigma 40E. 300 w/300 rnds and 1 clip. I think it's a little high priced, but I like S&W. Was offered to trade for my Yugo shooter and 150 bucks......give me some peer pressure.

[zx2loon]

but will it replace your 1911 in carry duty?

Not quite sure yet, I'll have to play with it, then decide.




ive heard 1911's have some feeding problems is this true?

Depends. Most are tollerant of all types of ammo. Most feed well and gobble up anything thrown at them. Then you get to the high dollar ones. Custom jobs like some Caspians or Kimbers, Wilson Combat, and others. The tollerances for these are tighter than basic GI issue 1911's...so it really depends on what you buy and what type of ammo. The only issues I have had with my Kimber was shooting Wal-mart's ammo. No CCI, Winchester or Ruger rounds for me, they have a bad habit of expansion of the brass cases and cause stove pipe jams.



^Gunslinger- plus revolvers will always go boom if there is a good bullet in it. Kind of a trade of in capacity for reliability and the ability to shoot a hotter load. Nice stainless piece....I don't know if I would have traded an AK off for it, but that's just my opinion.

Not always....ammo can be very deceiving. Their are times the primmers don't work.


not sure what type of coating yet. id just like it black... accessories will be polished for that ooooo aaaaaaahhhh effect

Go with a professional Ceramic coating. Here in TN, we have Preditor Customs that do those types of jobs. There should be a store near you that can do it as well. Only $120 or so for most places. You strip the gun of it's parts and take what you want to the guy to coat and whola....your home with a killer firearm...


I want a gun. Is there a hand gun that you guys would recommend for a beginner I guess?

I was in the Army, so I've used some rifles and such, but I just want a small hand gun.

Go with a Ruger P89. Cheap, reliable, built like a tank. Other than that, I'd go with Tauras' Beretta knock off. Once again cheap, reliable, built like a tank.
Now when I say cheap, I mean $400. S&W Sigma's are cheaper on the wallet, but not a good starter gun. For those who buy a Sigma, they might as well go with a Jennings, which can be found in Pawn shops for about $150.
This is my opinion. I had a Sigma as well in .40, it sucked ass and shot like shit. You'd be better off throwing it at someone.


this ones for you loon
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h189/8dayz/0622081741-02.jpg
QUOTE]

Sweet...is that AB model pre or post ban??



[QUOTE=J_Mob;86079]Isn't the lifespan on a Glock rated at 5000 rnds or something like that?
Absoutly not!! Those things are "forever". Hell, the spring life span on my Kimber is 50K rounds before they say you need to change them. Glocks like most reliable firearms are rate life spans of at least 30K to 40K rounds before you get into having issues. That takes into consideration your taking care of your gun




Huh, I just thought I had read that somewhere. Maybe it was service life for duty use (like department issue) or something.

This is true for your law enforcement officers. Knox County allows the service Glocks 7K rounds before it is turned in, sold to the general public and replaced with a new one. The only ammo fired from them are Gold Dots. Keep in mind, this is my county which I live in. Your county or state might be different.

yay this thread isn't dying anymore!

I haven't had much time to hit the forum here latley......I made the thread so it wouldn't die. I kinda wish some one would sticky it for all to see...



^I’m the same way, I can talk about guns all day. The lifespan on guns or anything mechanical all rely on basic maintenance. As long as you clean your guns and oil/grease them regularly there should be no problems. Some internal parts may brake and the barrel will eventually wear to a point were it is less accurate; but considering the bullets are so soft compared the barrels this will take a very long time.

Absolutly Correct Sir. A very intelligent answer. Glad to have you aboard!! :dance:



Hehe....and even better, I have found there are videos of chicks shooting guns.:D...

Even better if you haven't seen the link yet...

http://www.moviebadgirls.com/gunpage_54_1.html

[zx2loon]

Hmm....well, opinions? Sigma 40E. 300 w/300 rnds and 1 clip. I think it's a little high priced, but I like S&W. Was offered to trade for my Yugo shooter and 150 bucks......give me some peer pressure.


Let me start off by saying HELL NO!!

Now that's off my chest, there will be no peer pressure from me on this. The Yugo is far better a firearm then the Sigma. Just my opinion but not worth trading......

[zx2loon]

Here's a funny link. Read the "What Happens When Only Celebrities Own Weapons" column.....

http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/featuredwriter/whathappens.htm

Kinda funny if you ask me....:winkyface:

[MrWeeyums]

Even better if you haven't seen the link yet...

http://www.moviebadgirls.com/gunpage_54_1.html

http://www.moviebadgirls.com/capimage/Terminator_2_11.JPG

Kinda my inspiration for my 870 (pictured on the first page). I just need to find the shell holder for the stock.
~Ryan

[J_Mob]

Let me start off by saying HELL NO!!

Now that's off my chest, there will be no peer pressure from me on this. The Yugo is far better a firearm then the Sigma. Just my opinion but not worth trading......

Yeah I tried to get him to trade straight across but he wouldn't go...well, opinion noted. I have never heard many good things about the Sigmas, just thought it would be interesting to verify it for myself. Looks like I'm not going to have the money anyhoo....

[zx2loon]

Yeah I tried to get him to trade straight across but he wouldn't go...well, opinion noted. I have never heard many good things about the Sigmas, just thought it would be interesting to verify it for myself. Looks like I'm not going to have the money anyhoo....


They aren't really that bad, they are S&W version of the Glock. Had many of the old school S&W fans actually went with Sigma's, they would have produced a better version with time. Unfortunatly, many people have decided that it's a "cheap" version of a Glock so no one took to them. Many people have had bad experiances with the .40 but not with the 9mm. The .40's have cracked frames and broken parts more than the 9mm. Then again it could be the "hot" ammo used in the guns. The feed reliability of mine wasn't fantastic but wasn't reliable enough to consider it as a "carry" firearm.

There are those who really don't want a gun for any thing other than "home" protection, these are still not a very wise choice. For home protection, I recomend a revolver. Kinda the "set it and forget it" mode. Most people who buy for home protection don't want the hasel of cleaning and maintaining a firearm. Therefore revolvers are terrific. Semi auto's aren't good for the simple fact of, once they are cocked and locked, the springs are under tension. Keep it like that for a couple of months to a year and you just ruined your chances of your firearm being reliable.

My Glock sits at home cocked and locked for my wife. Every couple of weeks I take it out and excersise it and clean it and return it to it's resting place. My Kimber of which I carry is cleaned on the average of every two weeks. Usually someone somewhere wants to shoot it so I let them fire off one of the clips and call it a day....

Don't know why I made this post this long other than the almost usless info I have put in the reply....:rofl:

[J_Mob]

I keep my 469's cocked and locked. They are hammer fired SA/DA vs the spring fired striker though. The biggest problem I have is the clips.....have to take them apart sometimes and stretch the springs out too keep them from misfeeding at the last few rounds. I swap the mags out every few months as well just to keep from completely ruining them (I have like 8 of them so it's easy to rotate the mags out for me).


Did you ever see the end of the world kit for the Sigmas....was like a pelican case with a sigma, clips, light, radio, other stuff. Good thing too many people didn't end up using them to fight of mutants :)

[zx2loon]

I keep my 469's cocked and locked. They are hammer fired SA/DA vs the spring fired striker though. The biggest problem I have is the clips.....have to take them apart sometimes and stretch the springs out too keep them from misfeeding at the last few rounds. I swap the mags out every few months as well just to keep from completely ruining them (I have like 8 of them so it's easy to rotate the mags out for me).


Did you ever see the end of the world kit for the Sigmas....was like a pelican case with a sigma, clips, light, radio, other stuff. Good thing too many people didn't end up using them to fight of mutants :)

No...I never saw the kits. Would have been funny though....some one needs to find a pic of the kit and post it here....



I have 10 clips for my Kimber and 8 (including 3 high cap mags) for my Glock.
Springs are changed out every 6 months to a year depending on use and whether or not they are just "range" mags or "carry" mags. You can never have too many mags.......

[J_Mob]

here's a link to one. I think this is a newer one, the one I saw was being sold used on gunbroker years ago.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/images/firearms/120050_thumb.jpg
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=53424&langId=-1&isFirearm=Y

He sold the Sigma anyways, turns out. I don't have the cash for any more pieces right now anyways......:(


Hey, anyone ever do three gun/tactical match shooting? I have been invited by a couple people now to check out these matches at a local gun club.