NYPD....Above The Law?!?!?!

[zbban1]

Well, looks as if there's gonna be some hell raised regarding this case and I can't say that I blame the families. Is it really necessary, for the one officer involved, to empty 31 rounds? Overkill, literally. But, oh yeah, they were black guys coming out of a strip club so they must be doing something illegal, right? Ridiculous.

The ONLY difference between cops and us regular joes is the fact that we get caught and they don't. I used to respect cops, but these days, no.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080425/ap_on_re_us/police_shooting

[JustAGigilo85]

http://www.break.com/index/dumb-woman-cop-busted.html

Feel betteR?

[Connal]

It all depends on the cops. I know several of the local ones. Some of them are some of the best people you could ever know. Others are worthless.

Three years ago a kid in an apartment complex got the doors confused and was trying to get into his neighbors arpartment. The neighboor, the chief of police for the next town over, fired 12 rounds through the door. Hit him with 8.

He had just turned 21 and was married with two kids.

[zbban1]

http://www.break.com/index/dumb-woman-cop-busted.html

Feel betteR?

After watching that video, IMO it's still like I said, above the law. Any video or newspaper article about her being repremanded? Probably not. LOL

Connal, that is true. It depends on the cop. I'll bet nothing happened to the cop that killed the kid either, right? Since when do they get away with shit like that. If he wasn't through the door yet, he shouldn't have shot at him. If we citizens shoot before they're through the door, guess where our new home would be for the next 50+ years of our lives? One Penetentiary Lane!LOL

[j0hnZ]

I guess it's ok for a bunch of black guys to beat a white guy until he's almost dead and the black guys should walk free like they did nothing.

Even so the gesture acting like you had a gun should never be cause for fires shot period. You don't shoot unless you see a gun period. Also, 31 rounds by one officer that means he reloaded 3 times with a 15 round clip...wtf is that all about. That is the most blatant use of excessive force that I have ever freaking heard not to mention the other guy shooting 11 shots. The guy who shot of 4 I could see him as following his other officers. If you trust the people you are working with then shooting off a couple of rounds thinking they were doing the right thing is 1 thing. Not thinking for yourself and knowing whats going on is what got him in trouble.

Al Sharpton can choke on a cock and diaf.

[JustAGigilo85]

I guess it's ok for a bunch of black guys to beat a white guy until he's almost dead and the black guys should walk free like they did nothing.

Even so the gesture acting like you had a gun should never be cause for fires shot period. You don't shoot unless you see a gun period. Also, 31 rounds by one officer that means he reloaded 3 times with a 15 round clip...wtf is that all about. That is the most blatant use of excessive force that I have ever freaking heard not to mention the other guy shooting 11 shots. The guy who shot of 4 I could see him as following his other officers. If you trust the people you are working with then shooting off a couple of rounds thinking they were doing the right thing is 1 thing. Not thinking for yourself and knowing whats going on is what got him in trouble.

Al Sharpton can choke on a cock and diaf.

I seriously disagree with that. I can't see one cop unloading 31 rounds, though.

[zbban1]

[QUOTE=j0hnZ;12277]I guess it's ok for a bunch of black guys to beat a white guy until he's almost dead and the black guys should walk free like they did nothing.
QUOTE]

No, it's not okay and that would be true if it was the other way around, too. Color don't mean shit.

Yeah, reloading a clip more than once for anything less than a mass murderer is ridiculous. These guys didn't have warrants, they didn't kill anyone, so why all that firepower?? He did mess up there, but still got off with nothing. IDK :shrug:

[j0hnZ]

[QUOTE=j0hnZ;12277]I guess it's ok for a bunch of black guys to beat a white guy until he's almost dead and the black guys should walk free like they did nothing.
QUOTE]

No, it's not okay and that would be true if it was the other way around, too. Color don't mean shit.


Apparently it does to Al Sharpton and the rest of the Black Power crew he's with. That statement was a direct attack on the idiocracy that was the last time I heard of Al Sharpton's view on black people can stomp the living shit out of white people and get away with it because they called the black people names.

To the other guy who disagreed with that statement, now that I think about it you are right. You know the cops have guns don't think they won't use them if you act like your going to pull a gun out. Of course I don't think we will ever no for sure what actually happened that night. What we do know at least the important part that I read is 1 cop shot 31 rounds at someone who was probably on the ground already after the first few.

People may call me racist because of my views, but I really do try and put myself in the others shoes when I think about something.

[Connal]

After watching that video, IMO it's still like I said, above the law. Any video or newspaper article about her being repremanded? Probably not. LOL

Connal, that is true. It depends on the cop. I'll bet nothing happened to the cop that killed the kid either, right? Since when do they get away with shit like that. If he wasn't through the door yet, he shouldn't have shot at him. If we citizens shoot before they're through the door, guess where our new home would be for the next 50+ years of our lives? One Penetentiary Lane!LOL

The whole community black balled him. He now from what I understand is living in a trailer getting unemployment doing nothing.

I don't think race should ever be a part of the equation. Now, I don't want to offend anyone. And if this is crossing the line, any mod may feel free to edit this.

I know several black people. And I have no problems or issues with them. I also know several asians. Once again, they are fine. However, in every race you have a nigger. Someone that is so bltatently ignorant, and relying on the race card that it is sickening.

I don't care if the guy was black, white, hispanic, inuit, or martian. That many shots fired is excessive for anything short of a chain gun. I think a big problem is that racism is everywhere. If a black man calls me honky, I have to smile and nod. However, whenever there is a black person in the room no one will even say the word "black"

This whole "African American" or "Asian American" bull has got to stop. You live here, you are American. I don't give a damn what color your skin is. You live here, you are red white and blue.

Once again, I apologise for saying the word nigger previously. But please understand that it was not meant as anything racial, and was not meant to offend anyone. Please, do not take it out of context. And if anyone is offended, I can edit it myself, or have a mod edit it.

[ImCrazy]

snora said he decided to arm himself, call for backup — "It's getting hot," he told his supervisor — and tail Bell, Guzman and Benefield as they went around the corner and got into Bell's car. He claimed that after warning the men to halt, Bell pulled away, bumped him and rammed an unmarked police van that converged on the scene with Oliver at the wheel. The detective also alleged that Guzman made a sudden move as if he were reaching for a gun.

A) The men ran and got in their car as far as I can tell.

B) Don't ever run from the cops.

C) I'm glad they didn't charge the officers.

Dumb shits shouldn't have tried to run from the cops they sealed their own fate.

[j0hnZ]

The problem with that word is that there is a lingering effect because of it because that is what the old slave owners called them or whatnot(yep talking out of my ass...work with me here).

The truth is there are no n*ggers in any race. Nobody should be looked at like what that word means. You can say theres a certain level of pieces of shit in every race. Trash is good...

[ImCrazy]

The whole community black balled him. He now from what I understand is living in a trailer getting unemployment doing nothing.

I don't think race should ever be a part of the equation. Now, I don't want to offend anyone. And if this is crossing the line, any mod may feel free to edit this.

I know several black people. And I have no problems or issues with them. I also know several asians. Once again, they are fine. However, in every race you have a nigger. Someone that is so bltatently ignorant, and relying on the race card that it is sickening.

I don't care if the guy was black, white, hispanic, inuit, or martian. That many shots fired is excessive for anything short of a chain gun. I think a big problem is that racism is everywhere. If a black man calls me honky, I have to smile and nod. However, whenever there is a black person in the room no one will even say the word "black"

This whole "African American" or "Asian American" bull has got to stop. You live here, you are American. I don't give a damn what color your skin is. You live here, you are red white and blue.

Once again, I apologise for saying the word nigger previously. But please understand that it was not meant as anything racial, and was not meant to offend anyone. Please, do not take it out of context. And if anyone is offended, I can edit it myself, or have a mod edit it.


QFT.

[ImCrazy]

I don't see what difference it makes if you shoot someone once or 50 times if you run from the cops I see no problem with them shooting you I think they should be allowed to shoot everyone who runs from the law it endangers others lives.

[Buster]

This whole "African American" or "Asian American" bull has got to stop. You live here, you are American. I don't give a damn what color your skin is. You live here, you are red white and blue.


Bravo. 100% agreement.

[j0hnZ]

It's people that say this that bring back that term...it's not ok to say it. I know you aren't trying to mean it that way but to say it like that cheapens what they had to go through. I have the utmost respect for the older black community that went through the shit. I just don't see it anymore as an issue its the people that keep bringing it up as an issue that are dragging it down...imo.

[j0hnZ]

Bravo. 100% agreement.


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[j0hnZ]

This would have been a good thread for me and gunslinger to of had our little conversation. It's amazing what you learn when you talk civily(sp ahah?? I typed that word several different ways and it still looks like poo).

[ImCrazy]

I don't have a problem with using the N word lots of black people use it..... Besides I've met tons of people of all different races who are awesome people, I would never even think of calling any decent person a nigger, however some people I meet are in fact niggers.

[ImCrazy]

To me nigger isn't a matter of race its an attitude.

[j0hnZ]

I don't have a problem with using the N word lots of black people use it..... Besides I've met tons of people of all different races who are awesome people, I would never even think of calling any decent person a nigger, however some people I meet are in fact niggers.

They are slaves to do your work for you?

[j0hnZ]

The word you keep using is not about there attitude its about the attitude of the people that used to call them that.

[j0hnZ]

It's confusing because they call each other that, but if you place yourself in there shoes with all the history behind it, it offends the shit out of me.

Not only is it degrading, but if you look at it from the angle of we were so weak that we had to get other people to work for us it makes white people look stupider too.

Keep in mind that up until about 3-4 years ago I didn't know I was part black. Up until a few days ago after talking with gunslinger and kinda opened my eyes to start thinking about a few things.

[ImCrazy]

They are slaves to do your work for you?

nope id be willing to bet most of them don't have a job..

[Connal]

Thanks for agreeing with me everyone. And thank you for keeping it all civil.

I still think there were too many shots fired. Running or not, if you can;t do the job with two or three bullets, why fire that many?

It would be like if I was out hunting with friends and we all just started randomly firing at a deer.

I will be the first to admit that there are times when force is necessary. Every day that one of my friends is working I hope that they come back safe, that someone doesn't get shot. And lets face it, it is easier to get guns than it is to open a child proof bottle of aspirin.

[j0hnZ]

nope id be willing to bet most of them don't have a job..


Everyone has a story...

[ImCrazy]

with that said I've never called a black person a nigger and I honestly don't think I could be that rude.

[ImCrazy]

honestly this thread isn't about discussing the word 'nigger', so could we just drop it. I don't hate blacks I'm not racist but the N word doesn't bother me sorry it offends you and I'm sorry if i've offended anyone with my views.

[Connal]

honestly this thread isn't about discussing the word 'nigger', so could we just drop it. I don't hate blacks I'm not racist but the N word doesn't bother me sorry it offends you and I'm sorry if i've offended anyone with my views.

You haven't offended me. But then again, I am white. I will say I disagree with you on some of your views. But I have nothing but respect for you and your opinions.

But yes, this needs to get back on topic.

[ImCrazy]

You haven't offended me. But then again, I am white. I will say I disagree with you on some of your views. But I have nothing but respect for you and your opinions.

But yes, this needs to get back on topic.

Thanks dude, Likewise. I hate it when people disagree but don't respect your views I'm always impressed when someone can make the statement you just did. !

[Connal]

Well one thing I have learned in life. Is that everyone has different opinions. Personally, I am not religious. My girl and her whole family are. I don't agree with them, and they don't agree with me. If I wasn't able to respect other people's views, I wouldn't have made it this far.

I respect everyone's views, no matter how radical, or how alien they seem. After all, our concept of right and wrong is only a construct of our own society. Much as like how some tribal people's belief in genital mutilation horrifies us, or how much strict amish think similar to our lifestyles.

[LunchBoxZX2]

Let's keep it clean and civil here people.

My personal view on the case is that this was severely mishandled and it shows you how messed up our judicial system is. The judge found flaws with the case... any intelligent person would try to get to the bottom of that before he goes and acquits everyone of all charges. If you're too lazy to REALLY get to the bottom of the story, then step down and find another profession.

I read an article that said the detectives were undercover in the club (undercover = plainclothes), and the officers outside were also in plainclothes. If you're being followed by some people you don't know, who don't look like police officers, and they draw their weapons on you, wouldn't you run? In the article I read, the other two victims stated that they did not recall the officers identifying themselves as police officers before drawing their weapons.

You can take this one of two ways, if you analyze it further, you're thinking too hard. One way to look at it is the men were caught up in the moment being it was 4am, they're being followed out of a club by people who they don't think are cops, there's a brief argument so they go to leave, and they're having weapons drawn on them for a reason they do not understand. The second way is the same viewpoint from the officers' perspective... they've been staking out a club all night, they see a few suspicious men, they follow them out and have a few words after which the men leave and the officers believe they're going to get a gun from their vehicle so they get caught up in the heat of things and draw their weapons to open fire.

We don't know the REAL story, no one ever knows 100% of any story behind any case... There are so many things that were seemingly done wrong here by the LEO's it's really hard to comprehend why an acquittal was given. Three men, who really weren't armed... 51 shots fired, 31 by one individual... that is absolutely mind boggling. This makes absolutely zero sense. The officers endangered other lives in their reckless behavior (weren't their other buildings damaged from the gunfire?) without properly assessing the situation.

This is just my take on it, however.

[zbban1]

With all of the stories about white cops cracking down on and giving shit to the blacks (Rodney King), that's why, a lot of times, blacks run from the cops. Call it a 1st instinct, if you will, but a lot of it comes from fear. The 2nd comes from knowing you have a warrant.......lol. Anyway, yes, there were too damned many shots fired from that one officer. The poor guy was no doubt dead after a few, why the overkill? They had no weapons in their car.

If the plainclothes cops inside the club were there for any amount of time, maybe they knew that the guy had just got married? Were they celebrating? There's just too many unanswered questions in my mind for this case. I do think that they should've investigated more thoroughly, but we may never know the real truth. The guy is dead, the cops are off the hook. Case closed.

And yes, Sharpton is an ass.

Yes, there were other buildings damaged by the gunfire.

[zbban1]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/25/sean.bell.trial/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/25/sunny.bell/index.html

[Digi]

I didn't read all the news articles, but I read the thread, and got enough.

Heres my views; 31 Rounds? Thats WAY TOO MUCH. Thats reloading 3/4 times as stated, most clips at 10 rounds, not 15. Reguardless 31 rounds is too much; I can see 2 or 3 MAYBE. Secondly; You NEVER EVER discharge a weapon unless you either see a weapon, or are being fired upon. Why did those officers not result to a tazer? Its one guy

One thing that hasn't been stated; YOU NEVER SHOOT A FLEEING SUSPECT EVER! Granted if he just killed 50 people, and has a weapon. I as would most people; shoot him. However there was no weapon found; no weapon seen; and no weapon dscharged except by the police.

Another thing; Their in plain clothes, You can't tell if their police. If 4 people in plain clothes were following me, i'd run too; and i can see him being so spooked he hit someone elses car.

HOWEVER: I can see it from the cop side too, guy bumping into police. Move towards him and he starts running . . blah blah blah. I can see tazing him, and stopping him. However fireing upon him is a bit much.

I don't think that the cop should be charged too harshly; I can see some jail time, AND DEFFINENTLY LOSING HIS JOB AND RIGHT TO OWN A FIREARM. But a felony; i think would be too much. He was spooked and fucked up; yes it ruined a whoel lot of peoples lives. However, why ruin another life in the process.

[aaronrun]

YOU NEVER SHOOT A FLEEING SUSPECT EVER!

Wurd. Anyone who thinks that running is grounds for lethal force is confused in my book lol.

[Digi]

Even tazing a fleeing suspect is a questionable thing.

I think if you know there gonna kill someone; then yes shoot them; ALA -- Bomb strapped to them

[FatTonyZx2ner]

did anyone else hear that 2 of the cops were black as well?

[Digi]

Race has nothing to do with it; white people get shot falsely too. A black guy was shot and everyone screams "OMG KKK; RACISM!!!"

[JustAGigilo85]

With all of the stories about white cops cracking down on and giving shit to the blacks (Rodney King), that's why, a lot of times, blacks run from the cops. Call it a 1st instinct, if you will, but a lot of it comes from fear. The 2nd comes from knowing you have a warrant.......lol. Anyway, yes, there were too damned many shots fired from that one officer. The poor guy was no doubt dead after a few, why the overkill? They had no weapons in their car.

If the plainclothes cops inside the club were there for any amount of time, maybe they knew that the guy had just got married? Were they celebrating? There's just too many unanswered questions in my mind for this case. I do think that they should've investigated more thoroughly, but we may never know the real truth. The guy is dead, the cops are off the hook. Case closed.

And yes, Sharpton is an ass.

Yes, there were other buildings damaged by the gunfire.

BS. That is NO EXCUSE. Fail.

I do agree with what you said about Sharpton.:D

[Digi]

This isn't a white guy vs. black guy thing.

Its simple; the guys having a good time, about to get married. Then all of the sudden he has 2 guys following him. He doesn't wanna get beat, so he books it. They were cops not in uniform; had they been in uniform it would have turned out differently.

[scort2498]

now i didn't read the articles i just read what has been going on in this thread how many times was the actually shot?

[JonsZX2SR]

It isn't so much that cops think they are above the law. Problems arise when cops that are marginally trained are sent into bad neighborhoods or situations that are perceived as high risk without adequate backup.

Some police tend to overreact in those situations. You can't fault the police department entirely, they have inadequate resources. The problem goes all the way to the mayor's office.

In this case, the cops didn't handle the situation properly and one of the cops overreated creating a situation where the other cops and bystanders didn't know what was happening. this compounded the situation.

This doesn't exonerate the police. But rather say cops think they are above the law, recognize the problem has more to do with cops letting themself get put into a high risk situation, then resorting to a survival response in an inappropriate manner.

[MrWeeyums]

Also, 31 rounds by one officer that means he reloaded 3 times with a 15 round clip...wtf is that all about.

He reloaded once, 1 in the chamber + 15 rd clip, then a 2nd 15 rd clip. Its shown in the link zbban posted. The fact that they were in the car is what caused the confusion. If this happened on a sidewalk it would be easy to find the officers guilty, but there was a strong possibility of them pulling a gun while in the car, they mentioned getting the gun from the car, or using the car itself as a deadly weapon. It also kinda:shrug: explains the number of shots fired because, traveling through the car, the bullets stray off target, have reduced power, might not penetrate that area, and its hard to confirm a hit or miss.
~Ryan

[j0hnZ]

The hole this is based on race because Al Sharpton had to jump in the middle of it.

If the cops did turn out to be black then and they didn't know it before they got there to protest then I would /rofl all day long.