Funny, yet scary: How Obama Got Elected

[Buster]

http://www.howobamagotelected.com/

Watch this video, you'll be AMAZED. :rofl:

[ZetecInside]

Buster + "Obama" + "election" + video link = no one should take this seriously.


I take it you've now given up on the birth certificate conspiracy theory?

[af3ll]

I wonder how many racists voted for McCain because a black man was running for president?

[PimpG]

I wonder how many racists voted for McCain because a black man was running for president?

alot i would have to say.

[powder]

I wonder how many people voted for McCain that could answer those questions.

[Buster]

Buster + "Obama" + "election" + video link = no one should take this seriously.


I take it you've now given up on the birth certificate conspiracy theory?

Wow, and Obama called ME bitter. ;)

[ZetecInside]

Wow, and Obama called ME bitter. ;)

Obama only got half of that statement right.

Instead of clinging to guns and religion, you cling to outlandish conspiracy theories that have countless holes in them which you are unwilling to even acknowledge, let alone explain.

If I'm the bitter one, why are you refusing to move on from the fact that your candidate lost fair and square?

[powder]

I can half answer that. Cuz we didn't vote for him and don't think he should be president.

I'm not going to talk conspiracy or anything, but just cuz Obama won, doesn't mean we have to be happy about it.

[Buster]

You're all missing the point of the study. Guess it flies over your heads also. :D

The Obama supporters involved in this study knew all of the talking points and ideas that the mainstream media wanted them to. They believed the "Palin is dumb and can see Russia from her house" diatribe. Tina Fey said that, not Palin. They knew nothing of the items covered up by the media to protect Obama...Ayers, how he won his first campaign by getting all competitors disqialified, how Biden had to quit a Presidential run because he was found to be plagiarizing speeches...basically anything the media mentioned, they believed and anything left unmentioned, they did not know.

The media has created Obama. They will sustain or destroy him depending on how he pleases THEIR agenda.

Time Magazine and other media outlets have been comparing Obama to Abraham Lincoln this week. Absurd considering that President Obama has yet to serve a single day and we have no experience to base this claim on. Guess what I heard all of the Obama voters in my office talking about? You got it, how Obama is so much like Lincoln. His supporters are worshiping the personality that the media and his pocketbook have created. They believe everything positive they hear about him, no matter how untrue...and they immediately dismiss any criticism of their "Messiah" (as Louis Farrakhan calls him)...usually calling it racist. (Af3ll :D )

Never before has a candidate won on promises of "hope and change". He was not a typical candidate and these are not typical times.

You're all proving how close-minded that most Obama supporters (aka zombies) are. :)



I accept that he won. If you read my post after the election, I said he's my President. I will not be immature and hate-filled like the people who oppose President Bush, saying "he's not my President". Yes he is, grow up.

You won't see me wishing death upon him or protesting in the streets. He's my President now and I'll support him when he's doing the right thing and will peaceably disagree with him when he's not.

So far his mirage of "Change" is proving to be just that, a mirage. He has appointed nothing but former failed Clinton staffers. So much for change...

Many of these voters are going to be very disappointed when they don't get the free ride he promised them.

[ZX2guy19]

Never before has a candidate won on promises of "hope and change". He was not a typical candidate and these are not typical times.

You're all proving how close-minded that most Obama supporters (aka zombies) are. :)


Then it seems to me like he is the perfect candidate. Not typical for non typical times? Seems fitting.

And you are proving how retarded you are by your little conspiracies.

You never cease to amaze me Buster, never.

[phosphite]

This is shocking -- Obama got elected -- through votes!! Very scary indeed. Especially scary that the Republicans couldn't disenfranchise all of those socialist votes to protect America from turning what will soon be a socialist/communist terrorist nation! I guess now it's time to heil President Hussein and and VP Bi(nla)den.

[powder]

This is shocking -- Obama got elected -- through votes!! Very scary indeed. Especially scary that the Republicans couldn't disenfranchise all of those socialist votes to protect America from turning what will soon be a socialist/communist terrorist nation! I guess now it's time to heil President Hussein and and VP Bi(nla)den.

I never thought of it that way, but good points.

[SoCalZX2]

I'm sorry, but just because of the title of the site isn't favorable, doesn't mean you can just disregard the message on the link. It was an independant study done, and the people picked were picked by an african-american woman.

Fact is, you can see there are retarded people on both voting sides.... But to ignore and try to dismiss the role that the media played is kinda wrong. I haven't even gone to the site, only seen the interviews from the guy who did the study. Since he's self funded, he may not go and do a poll like this from the other side. But he was making a point, and it is valid. It's not some half cocked theory without evidence to back it up...

As Matt and Buster have said, we accept that he's won, and we're not gonna wish any ill thoughts on him, but we don't have to like it. But open your eyes, and quit being so bitter towards the people who didn't vote for Obama... lol

[dareall]

I guess SNL should be happy that they still have an audience, huh?

[ZetecInside]

They believed the "Palin is dumb and can see Russia from her house" diatribe. Tina Fey said that, not Palin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpmC9GXa-I

Palin didn't say "I can see Russia from my house", but did cite "You can see Russia from Alaskan land" as an example of her foreign policy credentials. This was a ridiculous stretch of logic that underscored her lack of readiness for the office she was campaigning for, which is why she was mocked for it.


They knew nothing of the items covered up by the media to protect Obama...Ayers,

The Obama-Ayers connection was all over the news, mentioned in several campaign ads, and brought up directly by McCain in the debates. This wasn't hidden information.


how he won his first campaign by getting all competitors disqialified,

This one I'll give you. Obama did get all of his competitors in his first campaign disqualified - a very shady move typical of a corrupt Chicago machine politician like him. The fact that this story wasn't mentioned in any major media source is troubling.


how Biden had to quit a Presidential run because he was found to be plagiarizing speeches...

Again, not hidden information. This was mention by every major news source.



Time Magazine and other media outlets have been comparing Obama to Abraham Lincoln this week. Absurd considering that President Obama has yet to serve a single day and we have no experience to base this claim on.

Depends on what the specific comparison was. Details please? They are the only two presidents to come from Illinois, so that's one comparison. What exactly did Time have to say?


Guess what I heard all of the Obama voters in my office talking about? You got it, how Obama is so much like Lincoln. His supporters are worshiping the personality that the media and his pocketbook have created. They believe everything positive they hear about him, no matter how untrue...and they immediately dismiss any criticism of their "Messiah" (as Louis Farrakhan calls him)...usually calling it racist. (Af3ll :D )

No argument there - I've had numerous heated arguments with Obama-phile friends of mine that were unaware of or refused to believe some of the negative aspects of his candidacy, which I attempted to point out to them.


Never before has a candidate won on promises of "hope and change". He was not a typical candidate and these are not typical times.

Nonsense. Tons of candidates, from FDR to Reagan, have been elected on these sentiments. Just maybe not using those exact two words over and over.


You're all proving how close-minded that most Obama supporters (aka zombies) are. :)

First of all, just because someone debunks your ridiculous and unsupported hit pieces on Obama doesn't make them an Obama supporter. I was a vocal critic of Obama, and didn't think he was a good candidate. I just know BS when I see it, and you seem obsessed with repeating any negative accusation about him, no matter how baseless or illogical it may be.

Second, a supporter of Obama is not automatically a "zombie". Some people support Obama mindlessly because of his image. Others acknowledge his faults, but still support most of his platform and voted for him because they thought he was the best candidate available. This is the case with any politician, including McCain.


I accept that he won. If you read my post after the election, I said he's my President. I will not be immature and hate-filled like the people who oppose President Bush, saying "he's not my President". Yes he is, grow up.

If you accept that he won, why are you still clinging to absurd and repeatedly debunked attempts to prove his election was a fraud (i.e., the citizenship thing)?



Many of these voters are going to be very disappointed when they don't get the free ride he promised them.

I agree. The euphoria will wear off in a couple years, and a cold hard hangover of political reality will set in. I don't see Obama getting re-elected in 2012 once people realize his promises were impossible to keep.

[af3ll]

usually calling it racist. (Af3ll :D )

So what? I was proving a point like you tried to do. I just find it amusing that I called this election a long time ago and you said there was no way Obama would win.

[powder]

If you were stationed in Iraq during the surge you wouldn't find it amusing that he won at all.

[capitalcrew]

ZetecInside, great post.

[mechtech]

People in this country had a childish tantrum, and punished the Republicans in an act of retribution.
[Not totally without any reason!]
I just heard that 2% more blacks voted in this election, 3% more Democrats, and about 3% LESS Republicans. It doesn't seem like a lot, but it cost the election.
C'mon now... Hillary and Obama were the best available people?
Actually, the same goes for McCain, but he is far better [by default] than the inexperienced leftist/Marxist/socialist we now have.

[marty600]

I wonder how many racists voted for McCain because a black man was running for president?

Hmmm.what was the percentage of black voters for obama? Can we say all? That would be the race vote, IMHO. White people put him in office. Are the ones who did not give him the vote racists?

[zxtwou2]

http://www.howobamagotelected.com/

Watch this video, you'll be AMAZED. :rofl:

welcome to sometime last week when i posted this very same link in an existing thread. oh..and i posted the vid before the elections as well...but for some reason, nobody wanted to talk about it :shrug:

[Buster]

welcome to sometime last week when i posted this very same link in an existing thread. oh..and i posted the vid before the elections as well...but for some reason, nobody wanted to talk about it :shrug:

Gee, wonder why...maybe they take personal offense from it.

For the record, I answered all questions correctly. ;)

[Buster]

So what? I was proving a point like you tried to do. I just find it amusing that I called this election a long time ago and you said there was no way Obama would win.

If the candidates records, words and actions were actually examined and people judged the candidates and voted on "the content of their character, not by the color of their skin"...there's no way Obama could have won.

MLK, Jr. would not approve of the black "leaders" of today.

[phosphite]

Next up for president: A Mexican that's partially an illegal alien! Then your second language will be officially spanish!


Then after that...a REAL alien! :D

[capitalcrew]

Green smileys! ARGH! Its happening!

[JonsZX2SR]

Obama-Biden won the lection by being the lesser of two risky platforms. It isn't that Obama-Biden were that good a choice, it had as much McCain-Palin being a terrible choice. When McCain abandoned his past beliefs to gain conservative support followed by choosing a completely unqualified Palin the election was lost.

It came down to choosing between a team rated C/C+ vs. a team rated C-/D- at best. Had McCain stuck to his past and also chosen someone like Pawlenty he might have graded out B-/B+ with the election being close, but that didn't happen. (I downgraded him from B- to C- for abandoning his earlier beliefs and for selecting an unvetted, unqualified palin as his running mate.)

Following one of the worst presidential administrations (Grant and Coolidge might have been worse) who probably deserve a grade of F-, McCain didn't have to continue the ruinous course of the Bush presidency (Paulson is probably the worst Treasury Sec. in recent history (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/24/forbes-paulson-is-worst-treasury-secretary-in-modern-times-2/))to get the votes. Quite the opposite.

A American born child of (Punjabi, Indian) immigrants, Bobby Jindal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal), would be a refreshing change for the Republican party.

Let's hope the Republican leadership for 2010 includes names like Pawlenty, Jindal (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/22/whys-bobby-jindal-in-iowa/), Crist, Scwarzenegger, Ridge, pataki and others. Give Ron Paul a place to speak in the party, even if you don't follow all his ideas. Kick Huckabee and Palin to the curb.

This country needs a 2nd strong party again. Either reconstitute the Republicans or have moderate Republican leaders and voters bolt to the Libertarian party, leaving the wreckage to the ideological right.

[Kage]

I'm sorry, but this has to be said:

Anyone who watched the video Buster posted, and believed it in any remote way, is a fucking idiot.

They surveyed TWELVE PEOPLE. That's not even a viable demographic, or even a limited sample size. How much do you want to bet they interviewed a lot more people, and "said" they interviewed twelve, and only posted the interviews of the stupidest, "most intellectual" individuals.

Twelve fucking people, and people are actually listening to the things said on this video? Furthermore, looking down at the statistics at the bottom, okay, 512 people. Larger demographic, larger sample size, better results. Still nothing conclusive.

If people want to be fucking idiots and bash on Obama and his voters as much as possible, try turning your attention to McCain and his voters. I can't find the video anymore (was flagged and removed), but a local West Virginia news station interviewed people in southern West Virginia who said, and I quote, "This God-loving country is going to HELL! Nobody believes in God anymore, and they vote an unholy Iraqi sandnigger into office!" There are so many videos and news stories, and even political blog entries I found over the past year of stout McCain supporters claiming they would not vote for Obama because he was either "not a Christian man" (false), or "a muslim" (false), or "a sandnigger" (false, and ignorant).

You tell me who you'd rather see as "more eye-opening": Some select very few misinformed Obama voters, or a large number of racist bigots who voted for McCain. Also, if you want to see something interesting, go to CNN where they have all the voting statistics gathered from all states, and look how many whites and Christians voted for McCain, especially in the Bible Belt and "Dixie" areas.

Don't be fucking retarded and buy into more "OBAMA CHEATED" bullshit. I'm tired of these threads.

[capitalcrew]

I don't think any one here is claiming Obama cheated. This thread is dedicated to showing the role the media plays in politics.

How about you relax.

[Kage]

I didn't actually mean he cheated, it was just an exaggeration. But really, read through this thread, and others like it. (and other sites for that matter)

This is not about the media, per-say, this is about Obama, and any possible conspiracy that can be found to say he's an illegitimate and worthless president. He's not even been fucking sworn in, and small groups of people are strongly and viciously rebelling against him. Why? Yeah, the media played up shit for Obama, but they did the same for McCain. If you would have watched Fox News or MSNBC back during the elections, they were strongly for McCain, as CNN was strongly for Obama. Ted Turner is a known democrat and is also known for making CNN point in the direction of democratic elections, but the opposite is said for Fox News and MSNBC.

Again, this is not about the media at all, it's just another fucking conspiracy against a not-even-sworn-in president that people are butthurt about. Boo hoo, a black man beat a white man for the white house. Accept the combo breaker, and deal with it, and quit trying to start shit.

[JonsZX2SR]

Bashing Obama isn't the way to build a strong base in the Republican party. Recognizing and respecting a strong moderate base and empowering leaders who will appeal to a broader constituency is the way to strengthen the party.

Leaders who appeal to the people who are in the video that Buster linked are what is wrong with the Republican party.

Huckabee (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/24/huckabee.future/index.html) and Palin are clueless about how to revive the Republicans and appeal to a broader constituency. Republicans should stop listening to these clowns.

Jindal is a refreshing face and voice. We can only hope most of the voters can wake up and stop listening to tired, old, failed message.

[capitalcrew]

I agree, the republican party needs to separate itself from the far right.

I am not a fan of either Huckabee or Palin.

[mechtech]

Kage - You are so wrong.
If white people were even half as racist as black people, there would never be ANY black politicians in the USA at any level.
It was not white people that voted 95% white, it was black people that voted 95% black.

[zxtwou2]

I'm sorry, but this has to be said:

Anyone who watched the video Buster posted, and believed it in any remote way, is a fucking idiot.

They surveyed TWELVE PEOPLE. That's not even a viable demographic, or even a limited sample size. How much do you want to bet they interviewed a lot more people, and "said" they interviewed twelve, and only posted the interviews of the stupidest, "most intellectual" individuals.

Twelve fucking people, and people are actually listening to the things said on this video? Furthermore, looking down at the statistics at the bottom, okay, 512 people. Larger demographic, larger sample size, better results. Still nothing conclusive.

If people want to be fucking idiots and bash on Obama and his voters as much as possible, try turning your attention to McCain and his voters. I can't find the video anymore (was flagged and removed), but a local West Virginia news station interviewed people in southern West Virginia who said, and I quote, "This God-loving country is going to HELL! Nobody believes in God anymore, and they vote an unholy Iraqi sandnigger into office!" There are so many videos and news stories, and even political blog entries I found over the past year of stout McCain supporters claiming they would not vote for Obama because he was either "not a Christian man" (false), or "a muslim" (false), or "a sandnigger" (false, and ignorant).

You tell me who you'd rather see as "more eye-opening": Some select very few misinformed Obama voters, or a large number of racist bigots who voted for McCain. Also, if you want to see something interesting, go to CNN where they have all the voting statistics gathered from all states, and look how many whites and Christians voted for McCain, especially in the Bible Belt and "Dixie" areas.

Don't be fucking retarded and buy into more "OBAMA CHEATED" bullshit. I'm tired of these threads.

no...the video shows 12 people...they interviewed 100 people in Harlem. and it was to show how people were voting for him ONLY because he's black...without knowing dick about real issues. it wasn't saying all Obama supporters are like that...just that if you go to a largely black area...you'll find most people supported him because he was black.

[Buster]

I don't think any one here is claiming Obama cheated. This thread is dedicated to showing the role the media plays in politics.

How about you relax.

Someone with functioning brain cells and apparently watched the video. :D


Exactly, it is displaying the media's influence, the gullibility of uninformed/lazy voters and also how people vote on perceptions rather than facts.

[mechtech]

I know for a fact that votes were bought.
I have personal friends who worked on Obama's campaign.
They were sent out of state [Illinois was already a lock]. They were sent to poor black neighborhoods and used vouchers from Starbucks or cigarettes to bribe people into registering and voting for Obama. One guy I know ALONE got 380 uneducated and ignorant people to vote for Obama.
Obama spent more than anyone in history on his campaign - it was bought. He misrepresented himself again when he made his acceptance speech in Grant Park in Chicago, telling people that they "started with nothing'" Everybody starts with nothing. What a devious snake.

[af3ll]

http://racetalkblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/crybaby.jpg

[zxtwou2]

^that'll be a majority of this country after the next 4 years.

[powder]

Why does this thread keep getting posts... it can't be Buster's popularity.

[JonsZX2SR]

A case before the Supreme Court Dec 5th to decide if Donofrio v. Obama (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81484) has merit to be heard will be interesting.

The case presented by Donofrio was rejected by Justice Souter but put on the docket by Justice Thomas. If 4 or more justices decide the case has merit an oral debate will follow.

This will not be a hearing on Donofrio's challenge of Obama's citizenship, but a conference to decide whether the case has merit to be heard. It is not clear if any other cases will be discussed at this time, none or on the docket.

[phosphite]

http://www.teamzx2.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3043&stc=1&d=1227710484

[Buster]

http://racetalkblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/crybaby.jpg

That looks familiar. Oh yeah...
http://www.noahhite.org/perspectives/images/Democratic_Seal.jpg

[af3ll]

I haven't heard any Democrats whining lately.

[Buster]

Haven't heard Al Franken? :D

[mechtech]

Jons - Throw out all the eggagerated claims , and there is evidently still something wrong - something smells about this B.Cert. thing.
Andy Martin was shot down in an Hawaiin court about this [no big surprise], but is appealing.
What is the big deal? What is there to hide? At this point why not just show it?

[JonsZX2SR]

If there was something wrong don't you think more capable people than yourself who have a vested interest, such as Bush, Cheney, Mccain, Palin, Harry Reid, Mitch McConnell, etc. would have looked into this ??

Given the combined resources of the Republican party thsi should have been investigated independently and if something of merit were found a solid court case filed.

I suspect the leaders of the Republican party have done their own investigation and finding no credible evidence aren't going to make themselves foolish before the American people while they regroup for 2010. Certainly you aren't going to insinuate the Republican leadership is incompetent.

Obama has provided evidence to people who matter, election committess in 50 states, the justice department, etc.

It's the delusional nut jobs and whackos who keep bringing this up. Let's see how the Supreme Court rules.

[mechtech]

How can you make me individually responsible?
What warped thinking puts me in charge of this issue??
Using clinical terms like delusional without a proper degree and examination of an individual is the height of arrogance. Pride goes before a fall.
Without a birth certificate, this issue is unanswered. Court or no court.

[ZetecInside]

How can you make me individually responsible?
What warped thinking puts me in charge of this issue??

Because YOU'RE the one spreading the accusation. Put up or shut up. If you really believe Obama's citizenship is a fraud, hire a lawyer and file your own lawsuit. Or call your buddies Phillip Berg and Alan Keyes and see if you can join theirs.


Using clinical terms like delusional without a proper degree and examination of an individual is the height of arrogance. Pride goes before a fall.

Not really. I could meet a guy on the street who was yelling about purple fire-breathing elephant monsters attacking him. I wouldn't need a PhD in pyschology or a copy of the DSM IV handy to figure out he was delusional.


Without a birth certificate, this issue is unanswered.

The Hawaiian government says it's answered. The Department of Justice says it's answered. The media says it's answered. The election certification boards of all 50 states say it's answered. The American public says it's answered. The GOP says it's answered. Sarah Palin says it's answered. John McCain says it's answered.

What exactly do you know that all of these people don't, Mechtech?

The birth certificate has already been provided to the relevant authorities. Unfortunately, you are not one of those relevant authorities. Do you really think that just because you say "jump", a United States Senator is going to do it?


Court or no court.

The courts no longer decide what issues are legally answered? Interesting position.

Hear Ye! Hear Ye! As of this moment, the United States court system is hereby dissolved! All powers of judicial review are to be immediately transferred to Mechtech and the Council of Internet Conspiracy Bloggers!"

[phosphite]

I can't believe this "debate" over the birth certificate is still ongoing. It begs the following quote (And I present this quote with the utmost respect for our fellow debaters):


Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience!

Or perhaps mechtech is providing an example of how to properly and continually beat a centuries old dead horse?

[mechtech]

The case/cases are presently in our Supreme Court, along with other courts.
That hardly makes it a 'centuries old dead horse'.
And it was Jons who brought the Supreme Court case up, not me.
You people are imbeciles. Beyond childish and immature.

[ZetecInside]

The case/cases are presently in our Supreme Court, along with other courts.
That hardly makes it a 'centuries old dead horse'.
And it was Jons who brought the Supreme Court case up, not me.
You people are imbeciles. Beyond childish and immature.


You still haven't answered a few very simple questions, Mechtech:

1) How was Obama able to fool all the election boards, the DOJ, the Hawaiian government, AND the election boards in all 50 states?

2) Why did the conservative mainstream media (Fox News, Wall Street Journal, Washington Times, etc) not investigate or take seriously this accusation?

3) Why did neither McCain, Palin, nor any GOP leaders pursue a legal challenge to Obama's candidacy or raise this question in public?


Since you seem so concerned about "unanswered questions", perhaps you'd like to offer your thoughts on these.

I realize you can't literally answer for all these other people, but the fact that none of them said a word is a pretty good indication that this accusation has no merit, don't you think?

[EmoRebellion]

Because they are all part of an elaborate coverup to get Obama into office? Duh...

[JonsZX2SR]

Yes I did bring up the Supreme Court investigation because I believe it will find no merit to these wild claims. The Justice department will make (if they have not already completed) their investigation into documents and Obama will be inaugurated in January.

Has anyone considered that the real problem is the paranoia of mechtech and those who think like him ?? The reason he rants and raves but does nothing substantial is he is living in a paranoid delusional world. Even a marginally rational person who believed that Obama's credentials were flawed would have worked (directly or indirectly) to bring a court case, as others have done.

Instead of arguing with or picking on Mechtech, the rest of us can let bygones be bygones and suggest that he get help in as sincere a manner possible. I am concerned about his health, especially when he resorts to desperate comments like...



You people are imbeciles. Beyond childish and immature.

Mechtech, get help, we are all concerned for your well being. Seriously, everyone be careful with your comments, we don't want to push him over the edge, even as Obama's inaguration draws near.

[capitalcrew]

Omg. LOLOL.

[JonsZX2SR]

It's not a joke. It's not intended for LOLOL. I may enjoy sparring with Mechtech over science and creation, but the thought of Obama becoming president seems to set him off.

Arguing about creationism with Mechtech and the like is one thing, but I'm concerned he takes the Obama thing entirely too far, to the point of being irrational. If he actually did contact someone in power about filing or supportuing a real court case I'd be less concerned.

I brought this up just before the election as McCain's chances faded and it looked like Obama was about to win the election. Apparently he cannot stand the thought of Obama becoming president.

As I did then, I'll ask people, especially those who know Mechtech to suggest he seek help. I'm concerned about his well being. We should also be careful not to set him off when the inauguration gets close.

[mechtech]

The States have no processes or authority to check these things. [According to Montana's Governor]
The Federal Gov't say it's not directly up to them, either. They say it's up to the parties committee[s].
But how did I get the responsibility of determining and explaining what laws and systems apply? I never maintained that I would do so. This is news to me!
I just want to see a verified and checked out birth certificate for Obama.

[ZetecInside]

The States have no processes or authority to check these things. [According to Montana's Governor]
The Federal Gov't say it's not directly up to them, either. They say it's up to the parties committee[s].

Could you please elaborate on this claim of yours a bit more, please? Maybe give us a few quotes from Brian Schweitzer or a representative for the Federal Election Commision that back up these allegations?



But how did I get the responsibility of determining and explaining what laws and systems apply? I never maintained that I would do so. This is news to me!

You're claiming that Obama's citizenship is fake. Everyone else involved in the election seems to disagree with you. If you're so concerned with uncovering the truth, file a lawsuit. Put up or shut up.


I just want to see a verified and checked out birth certificate for Obama.

Mechtech, we've explained this to you over, and over, and over again. Numerous agencies and persons who are legally responsible for verifying the eligibility of presidential candidates have inspected Obama's birth certificate and verified that Obama's citizenship is in fact genuine. YOU are not entitled to a personal inspection of the physical evidence that they have seen because YOU are not a relevant authority in these matters. The Hawaiian government isn't obligated to FedEx Barack Obama's original birth certificate all across the country to every wacko conspiracy theorist with a keyboard and an internet connection just because they demand to see the original themselves.

If you're so desperate to have access to these records personally, apply for a job at one of these agencies.


You still haven't answered my questions. Everyone closely involved with the election, including Obama's biggest and most powerful media critics and political adversaries, doesn't give this accusation a shred of credibility. What do you know that all of them don't??????

[phosphite]

Here's a leaked video confirming that Obama is NOT born in the U.S.!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vws9fTtQgz4

[mechtech]

Zetec - You are not a serious person. Consistently childish.
Telling me to join an agency is ludicrous - not logical.
The fact that the issue is in the courts [and our highest court] draws my attention.
It is ridiculous to overlook vicarious experiences, and wholly rely on empirical ones.
I do not overstate my opinion - YOU overstate my opinions! This is called setting up a straw man - something that is easily knocked down.
But you are not sharp enough to get away with it.

[ZetecInside]

Zetec - You are not a serious person. Consistently childish.
Telling me to join an agency is ludicrous - not logical.
The fact that the issue is in the courts [and our highest court] draws my attention.
It is ridiculous to overlook vicarious experiences, and wholly rely on empirical ones.
I do not overstate my opinion - YOU overstate my opinions! This is called setting up a straw man - something that is easily knocked down.
But you are not sharp enough to get away with it.


"Childish" is repeating outlandish, previously discredited conspiracy theories, and then refusing to even address the overwhelming amount of evidence that refutes them, which is all you've done so far on this thread.

Several people in this thread have pointed out the fact that the physical evidence confirming Obama's US citizenship has already been reviewed by the Hawaiian government and relevant election certification authorities. You seem to think they were all fooled somehow, so you must have some unique information that they don't. We'd all love to hear what that information is, so why don't you enlighten us?

If you want to debate with the adults, be prepared to answer questions about your claims. So far all you've done is run away from them.

For example:


Originally Posted by mechtech
The States have no processes or authority to check these things. [According to Montana's Governor]
The Federal Gov't say it's not directly up to them, either. They say it's up to the parties committee[s].

Could you provide an actual quote that shows what these parties said in regards to this matter? So far all you've done is provide your own paraphrasing of statements that you claim they made. Actual quotes (or links to quotes) would be helpful. Let's start there.

[mechtech]

You hypocrites do not supply specific names, dates, and organizations for your claims, yet demand things from me that I never promised.
You falsely accuse me of things I do not believe in, and ascribe motives for me that I do not have.
Hatred, vicious name calling, and hypocrisy are your domain, not mine.

The Gov of Montana has his statement in this forum. Dig at your own leisure:
http://www.obamacrimes.us/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=1&Itemid=3
This link has already been posted.

And how can a sane person attack me for someone else's post ? Jons posted about the Supreme Court case involving Obama's B.C., not me. So how does that make ME rabid and clinically problematic?
Your evil hearts are quick to shed innocent blood.
You are truly irrational.
All I said , and say again, is that I want to see the B.C., and have it's authenticy and veracity checked.
What goes on in your twisted minds that you have to add to that? I am one of millions who would like that question addressed.
But you have provided no fact, links, names, dates, or proof . None.
Whatever is inside you does not like what is inside me.

[ZetecInside]

You hypocrites do not supply specific names, dates, and organizations for your claims, yet demand things from me that I never promised.
You falsely accuse me of things I do not believe in, and ascribe motives for me that I do not have.
Hatred, vicious name calling, and hypocrisy are your domain, not mine.

You are the one making the accusation that Obama was born outside the U.S., so the impetus is on you to provide supporting evidence of this. The rest of us are merely skeptical of claims that you are making.


The Gov of Montana has his statement in this forum. Dig at your own leisure:
http://www.obamacrimes.us/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=1&Itemid=3
This link has already been posted.

I'm not going to manually dig through thousands of non-indexed comments on some anti-Obama blog to try and find a statement that you allege was made by the governor of Montana. I did a search for "governor of Montana", "governor Schweitzer", "Brian Schweitzer", etc in the site's search feature, and did not find any quotes from him. You made the claim about this statement - you produce the quote.



All I said , and say again, is that I want to see the B.C., and have it's authenticy and veracity checked.

When you say "I want to see the birth certificate", do you mean that you, personally, Mechtech, want direct physical access to the original birth certificate of Barack Obama?

Photocopies of Obama's birth certificate have been released and are widely available for anyone to view on the internet. Chiyome Fukino (Director of the Hawaiian Department of Heath) and Alvin Onaka (Registrar of vital statistics), released a statement on October 31st confirming that they had both personally reviewed Barack Obama's original birth certificate and have confirmed its legitimacy.

http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news

Since the available proof doesn't convince you, what other proof do you need?

You do realize that Hawaiian state law prohibits the release of the original birth certificate to anyone outside the family, correct?


The fact that the issue is in the courts [and our highest court] draws my attention.

This lawsuit is not being heard by the Supreme Court. It is waiting to hear a ruling from the Supreme Court on whether they will even consider the case. It is simply in line to be accepted/rejected along with hundreds of other cases. You say "it's in the Supreme Court" as if the mere fact that they haven't had the opportunity to dismiss it yet somehow gives it credibility. The Supreme Court is very busy. They are flooded with appeal requests on a constant basis. When this case comes before them, they will dismiss it, just like other lawsuits challenging Obama's citizenship have been dismissed in Ohio, Washington, Pennsylvania, etc because of lack of evidence.

[ZetecInside]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/12/08/national/w070457S45.DTL&tsp=1

Update.

[capitalcrew]

I don't like Obama but holy shit, drop the BS here. If he was ineligible do you think McCain would have said "Nah, forget it, we'll beat him straight up!", or do you think the democratic party would have risked it?

This is just retarded now. :eyes:

[landelmer]

Wow I did not think I was gone from the site this long....

When did mechtech become the devil? when I was on(teamzx2) last he was a respected member.

Jon---That was shi%y the way you tried to make him(mech) out to be some nut that would go after Obama.

If this had no merit there would not be ANY court involvment. I sat and listened to all the Bush BS from guys like you for 8 years. But no one claimed you people were mentally damaged. I understood you were not happy with Bush's policey.

[capitalcrew]

Are you making Jon out to be a Bush supporter? OMG LOL. You have been gone a long time.

[landelmer]

Are you making Jon out to be a Bush supporter? OMG LOL. You have been gone a long time.

No. I remember which way he leans:)

[JonsZX2SR]

I vote for intelligent people of all party affiliations. Unfortunately, some of the least informed people make the most noise arguing made up, unsubstantiated claims and hollering 'conspiracy' when those false, poorly thought out claims are rejected.

It isn't a matter of making MT out to be a nut, he is the one posting the outrageous, unsupported claims. At various times, before the election, shortly after Obama's victory, when various challenges to Obama's citizenship were rejected, he seemed to go off the deep end with unsupportable claims of a conspiracy.

If you check his pattern he provides very few links and those are generally easy to refute. He does the same with his claims about creationism.

I am concerned he is taking this too far and may go off the deep end. Apparently he cannot stand the idea of Obama becoming president. I wonder what he and a few others are going to post in the few days before the inaguration..

Just so everyone knows the Supreme Court of the US (SCOTUS) rejected hearing Donofrio's lawsuit challenging Obama's US citizenship (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/12/08/scotus-rejects-appeal-questioning-obamas-citizenship/). Donofrio's arguments were so poorly formulated and based on his own made up hand waving claims rather than law that legal scholars from all backgrounds dismissed his arguments. Read the link.

Of course, that isn't going to stop people who oppose the Obama presidency from making up new false claims and saying that Donofrio was correct, when they don't have any basis for theoir arguments.

Obama was elected and his credentials have been examined by those who matter, even some Republicans. Get over it...

[mechtech]

Jons - Since you brought up this S.C. case [not me] you must be off the deep end, not me. What hypocricy! You consider yourself a Dr. of psychology and psychiatry, and now pretend to be an attorney privy to the inner discussion[s] of the Supreme Court! In addition, you also pretend to be a psychic who can read men's thoughts and motives.
Exactly where , how, and by whom was this birth certificate examined? Why is it a secret?
Once again, you give no specifics, names, or dates - no proof.

[JonsZX2SR]

Jons...What hypocricy! You consider yourself a Dr. of psychology and psychiatry...

I don't have to, my wife has a Ph.D. in developmental psychology and is a practicing school psychologist. She's seen some of your posts and wonders what's wrong with you. Thanks for providing that comment and making 'ownage' so easy on this point.

...and it is spelled 'hypocrisy'. Even culturally disadvantaged 5th graders know how to use a spell checker. What's your problem ??

* * * * *
Getting back to the original discussion... Obama and his organization have provided the required information to the required people, including the boards of election of the 50 states plus D.C., the justice department, his own political party. etc.

You haven't provided any kind of proof that Obama is not qualified to be president of the US. I suggested that you might file your own lawsuit if you feel this strongly about Obama's presidential qualifications, which is what a rational, concerned person would have done..

However, all you do is post are made up, unsupported accusations that make you sound like a raving, delusional person. The average person can see how unbalanced you've become from the garbage you post, it doesn't require advanced training.

All the important people have the necessary information and his inauguration will go as planned.

Apparently you aren't on the list of required or important people. Stop making a public fool of yourself and... Get over it..

[ZetecInside]

Jons - Since you brought up this S.C. case [not me] you must be off the deep end, not me. What hypocricy! You consider yourself a Dr. of psychology and psychiatry, and now pretend to be an attorney privy to the inner discussion[s] of the Supreme Court! In addition, you also pretend to be a psychic who can read men's thoughts and motives.
Exactly where , how, and by whom was this birth certificate examined? Why is it a secret?
Once again, you give no specifics, names, or dates - no proof.

There are no "secrets" here, Mechtech - just your own paranoia. Obama voluntarily released a copy of his birth certificate to the public merely to quash these ridiculous rumors once and for all. And he wasn't even obligated to do that. The review by the Hawaiian government and DOJ is more than sufficient. He hasn't sealed his original birth certificate from the public - all Hawaiian birth certificates are private under state law. The release of birth records to anyone without a vital interest is prohibited under Hawaiian Revised Statute 338-18.



The original birth certificate was personally examined by by Chiyome Fukino (Director of the Hawaiian Department of Heath) and Alvin Onaka (Registrar of vital statistics), who issued a press release on October 31st, 2008 to confirm its authenticity:

http://www.kitv.com/politics/17866059/detail.html (http://www.kitv.com/politics/17866059/detail.html)



Photograph of the birth certificate:
http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg



Scanned microfilm of Barack Obama's birth announcement as it appeared in the August 13th, 1961 edition of the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper. Obama's announcement is 4th from the bottom of the left hand column:
http://wikileaks.org/leak/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser.pdf (http://wikileaks.org/leak/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser.pdf)





There you go, Mechtech. Newspaper articles, photographs, links, quotes, locations, persons, dates, citations. Everything you asked for.


Obama was an eligible candidate, and he won the election. You might not like the man, but that doesn't change reality. Give up this sad, tired crusade and just move on.

Another thing worth noting is that Barack Obama isn't the only candidate who was targeted by baseless lawsuits challenging his natural-born status. Several lawsuits were also filed in an attempt to disqualify John McCain from presidential eligibility since he was born in Coco Solo, in the Panama Canal zone. I find it interesting that you have made no demands for John McCain to go to such extreme lengths to prove his citizenship. Yet for some reason you feel this burden is required of Obama............

[phosphite]

Recent article about Supreme court turning down this challenge:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/08/obama-birth-certificate-c_n_149229.html

And some interesting Digg comments to go with the story (and for their humourous value:)):
http://digg.com/politics/Court_won_t_review_Obama_s_eligibility_to_serve

[mechtech]

The article pointing to Fukino was not a quote of her's, but a statement alluded to her.
That is why Andy Martin used that article as a huge red flag, and pursued it further.


Learn to read. That is NOT a birth certificate. Is is a certificate of live birth. Handed out to virtually anyone who asked, with minimal checks, at that time .

C'mon now... A newspaper clipping ? They only print what they were paid to announce. It is not a legal document.

But once again, why the secrecy? Why not let it be a public record for our public servant ?
"Sure, here it is. Look all you want to." Big friggen deal - just show it at this point.

And might as well get Obama's secret medical records, school records, passport records, etc.. while we are at it. More hidden stuff. I am aware that some partial info is available. No need to furiuosly look for links on your part.

[JonsZX2SR]

Mechtech you haven't posted one piece of credible information proving Obama isn't a natural born citizen of the US. You keep demading he provide you with proff, while you hypocriticly continue to post bitter lies and made up garbage.

Time to put up or shut up, post some reliable proof.

No proof on your part, no medical records, no lawsuits. Nothing... What does that say ? You haven't posted one credible fact to support your allegations.

[ZetecInside]

The article pointing to Fukino was not a quote of her's, but a statement alluded to her.

Um no, Mecthech - this is not a paraphrased statement or third-hand summary. It is, in fact, a direct quote from the Director of the Department of Health.

"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's official birth certificate. State law prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
- Chiyome Fukino, October 31st, 2008.




Learn to read. That is NOT a birth certificate. Is is a certificate of live birth. Handed out to virtually anyone who asked, with minimal checks, at that time.


"Certificate of live birth" IS a birth certificate. That's just the official name for it. And this is not "handed out to anyone who asks". As explained to you (multiple times), Hawaiian birth records are only allowed to be released to family members of the person in question, or a third party with a vital, tangible interest in the record. Photocopies of this birth certificate are available on the internet because Barack Obama requested a copy of it (which is is right under Hawaiian law). He then voluntarily released the copies to the public, which he did not have to do.


C'mon now... A newspaper clipping ? They only print what they were paid to announce. It is not a legal document.

It's not a legal document, but it is further evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, as he says.

Unless of course you believe that his parents paid for the ad merely to fool people about their son's birthplace. You know, just in case he happened to become a presidential candidate 47 years later and would need a piece of evidence such as this to maintain the lie. Mr. and Mrs. Obama were quite gifted at predicting the future............ :rolleyes:

Do you honestly believe that Obama's parents would go to the trouble of buying a fake birth announcement in the newspaper on the off chance that someone years later would be looking for one to confirm his birthplace?



But once again, why the secrecy? Why not let it be a public record for our public servant ? "Sure, here it is. Look all you want to." Big friggen deal - just show it at this point. And might as well get Obama's secret medical records, school records, passport records, etc.. while we are at it. More hidden stuff. I am aware that some partial info is available. No need to furiuosly look for links on your part.

There is no "secrecy". Obama has voluntarily provided far more documentation about his life to the public than he is legally (or reasonably) obligated to. Obama was born in Hawaii, just as he says - all available evidence shows this.





Mechtech, it is becoming increasingly clear that you have a paranoid obsession with Barack Obama and are willing to believe anything negative about him without the slightest shred of proof or even logic. You have not provided a single piece of evidence that he was born outside of the United States, and we have provided numerous pieces of evidence that he was born in Hawaii. You keep coming up with more and more ridiculous stretches of reasoning, and dismiss all physical evidence and logical arguments with hand-waving nonsense. I understand some people's frustrations with the election results, but this is different. Obama's victory has seriously sent you off the deep end.


You need psychiatric help, and I sincerely hope you get it.



Barack Obama is a natural-born American citizen, and the legitimately-elected next president of the United States. Period.

This issue is closed.

[capitalcrew]

Agreed Zetec.

[JonsZX2SR]

C'mon now... A newspaper clipping ? They only print what they were paid to announce. It is not a legal document.

What have you based your claims on, newspaper articles, internet images ?? Nothing you have referenced is a legal document. I'd say you have no basis to make your claims and your are unfairly accusing Obama of violating electoral law.

Mechtech, aren't you from the Chicago area ? It would seem you could file a lawsuit as an interested party challenging Obama's nomination in his home state. What's stopping you ?? You're all talk and no substance...

[phosphite]

This is what MechTech is talking about!!!!

The TRUTH about why Obama can’t be President
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-truth-about-why-obama-cant-be-president/

[CraZx2ing]

This is what MechTech is talking about!!!!

The TRUTH about why Obama can’t be President
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-truth-about-why-obama-cant-be-president/
lol

[mechtech]

Jons - YOU posted about the Supreme Court being involved in the case of the missing BC, not me.
It is a great source of amusement to me to see your daily livid accusations against me [among others].
My girlfriend is a Psychologist who recommended that I not 'fuel the fire', as she thinks it is pointless with someone with your obvious predilections. But even though she sees through you, we do find it amusing.

[fusew3rks]

My research into the Illuminati and there plans has lead me to conclude that Obama is not only the one they want to win and become the next president but that unlike Bush who played the role of "bad guy", Obama is to be seen as a "hero" in the U.S. and the world.

Obama is to clean up Bush's mess and maybe even accuse Bush of being a traitor. Their plans are very complicated, but I must add that the Illuminati almost always have two main plans, it's either one or the other.

In brief, two plans were
1.Bush and Neo-Cons would transform the United States into a nazi style police state which would take over the world and have full control of the citizens of the United States and other countries they conquer.

2.A Democrat would replace Bush and become extremely popular by stopping these "evil plans" and "making America great and beloved again and liberalizing American laws.

The Illuminati control everything, the left, the right, neo cons, liberals, fox news and cnn, bush and obama. The majority of the people are manipulated by the media, by both sides.

Liberals make things popular and make immoral acts seem "normal" while the neo-cons do things by force. Two different tatics. Same goal.

[fusew3rks]

Did you know that Obama and Chaney are 8th cousins. Obama and Bush are 11th cousins. Chaney and Bush are cousins as well as John Kerry among others. Very strange if you ask me. They're all related.
Obama is related to Bush and Brad Pitt
McCain is related to Laura Bush and Angelina Jolie
Pitt and Jolie have children together. Incest? Yes, because it's all about the bloodline.

[fusew3rks]

My research into the Illuminati and there plans has lead me to conclude that Obama is not only the one they want to win and become the next president but that unlike Bush who played the role of "bad guy", Obmam is to be seen as a "hero" in the U.S. and the world.

Obama is to clean up Bush's mess and maybe even accuse Bush of being a traitor. Their plans plans are very complicated, but I must add that the Illuminati almost always have two main plans, it's either one or the other.

In brief, two plans were
1.Bush and Neo-Cons would transform the United States into a nazi style police state which would take over the world and have full control of the citizens of the United States and other countries they conquer.

2.A Democrat would replace Bush and become extremely popular by stopping these "evil plans" and "making America great and beloved again and liberalizing American laws.

The Illuminati control everything, the left, the right, neo cons, liberals, fox news and cnn, bush and obama. The majority of the people are manipulated by the media, by both sides.

Liberals make things popular and make immoral acts seem "normal" while the neo-cons do things by force. Two different tatics. Same goal.

[fusew3rks]

Do you think that's to far fetch? Im mean seriously... that's a big chunck to bite off.

[fusew3rks]

aww...no one wants to read

[mechtech]

fuse - These conspiracy groups are actually BEING used rather than initiating their evil intents. They are not the originators of the world chaos that is mounting. They are only being used as tools - stepping stones.
The devil uses whom he can.
It doesn't help us to focus on one turd in the sea of shit. Look at the whole picture.

[Buster]

Getting back on-topic...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f74_1232631005

[capitalcrew]

I'd just like to say, that fuseworks was so butthurt by me giving him negative rep, the he neg repped me in every post in this thread. I enjoyed it, honestly, I did. :rofl:

[fusew3rks]

I'd just like to say, that fuseworks was so butthurt by me giving him negative rep, the he neg repped me in every post in this thread. I enjoyed it, honestly, I did. :rofl:

butthurt?...pls. if anybody got butthurt, it was you because i wasnt giving you what you wanted. I can careless about you cause you're a mod/forum goon on a fucking forum. Grow up, please. o, QFT and get a fucking life!

[capitalcrew]

See how butthurt he is? my my my..

[fusew3rks]

I thought you were actually black, but you're just a wiger. how sad...:sad: :lol: :flipa:


EDIT: Congratulations! You've earned yourself a 3-day vacation! "No name calling, no threats, no being a tool" was apparently too hard for you. -- LunchBox

[capitalcrew]

I can honestly say that I have taken exactly 0 offense to what you've said. I can also honestly say that I am sitting here completely puzzled as to how I am a wigger or gave the impression of ever being black.

LOL. Epic fail.

[fusew3rks]

I had a vision of what you looked like with that bs spilling out of your mouth previously, but now, I just see you in a totally different light. You're a wanna be gangster, in a forum no less.

[capitalcrew]

I fail to see how I give the impression of a wanna be gangster. Please, show me.

[fusew3rks]

If anybody is the failure, it totally has to be you lol... damn this is good. My friends and I at work are just laughing so hard at you, that we've become teary eye'd. thx for that.

[capitalcrew]

They're really laughing at you, believe me.

[EmoRebellion]

:rofl:

[ZetecInside]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/DS1/thread_ends/Itg_quarterly.jpg

[rusty]

LOL at the sudden turn this thread took.

[Buster]

Is he perma-banned for being insane in the membrane?

Please say yes. :D

[EmoRebellion]

The post said 3-day before it was removed.. :rofl: