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    I finished the tear down on the G6M and then proceeded to test fit some of the parts that I will have to transfer. How this went:

    1.) The differential ring gear from the G6M does not clear the housing for the G5M. Solution: have the pinion from the G5M moved to the output shaft of the G6M.
    2.) A retainer for the shift lever is much larger on the G6M and won't fit without a lot of machining, which I'm not sure can be done, but it looks like I will be able to use the pieces from the G5M. This will need to be verified during assembly.


    Other observations:
    1.) The diff in the G6M is much beefier than ours but really isn't useful do to the spline counts and ring gear.
    2.) All the shafts of both trans are the same
    3.) The shift forks continue to look stronger than ours
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    Nice job so far! Keep it up!

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    Update time.

    So, the parts were brought in to get cleaned and I had a conversion with a really nice guy at the shop, the owner Tim. He and I looked over the parts and the break down he had in his system, little better than the one I have and came to the conclusion that despite my wanting to keep the ring and pinion from our car to make the swap easier won't be possible.

    This means that I am currently removing material from the inside of the bell in order to make clearance for the fusion ring gear. There isn't that much to remove but I have been doing it by hand due to the lack of room to get tools that I own into the housing. I'm thinking a dremel would work well but I don't have one and am running short on funds to buy one right now. My hope is to have the sanding done sooner than later and return to the shop for the cleaning.

    I will keep everyone posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davis1d0 View Post
    Update time.

    So, the parts were brought in to get cleaned and I had a conversion with a really nice guy at the shop, the owner Tim. He and I looked over the parts and the break down he had in his system, little better than the one I have and came to the conclusion that despite my wanting to keep the ring and pinion from our car to make the swap easier won't be possible.

    This means that I am currently removing material from the inside of the bell in order to make clearance for the fusion ring gear. There isn't that much to remove but I have been doing it by hand due to the lack of room to get tools that I own into the housing. I'm thinking a dremel would work well but I don't have one and am running short on funds to buy one right now. My hope is to have the sanding done sooner than later and return to the shop for the cleaning.

    I will keep everyone posted.
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    sorta. they did not take into consideration the thickness of the ring gear i have a feeling. they likely were looking at the bearing and the diff minus the other parts. you would need to transfer the ring mfactory wouldn't you? might be why they missed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davis1d0 View Post
    sorta. they did not take into consideration the thickness of the ring gear i have a feeling. they likely were looking at the bearing and the diff minus the other parts. you would need to transfer the ring mfactory wouldn't you? might be why they missed it.
    Yeah you take your factory ring gear and move over. But that's my question, what about the zx2 ring gear won't fit on the fusion diff that made mfactory think it would? The mount rivet holes not line up or what?
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    I get your question. yes they line up perfect. The problem is that the pinions are different and I need to use the pinion from the fusion do to the length of the output shaft. this means I have to use the ring gear from the fusion as well, but that gear is about 1/16 larger in thickness than the zx2 ring. It ends up rubbing a little on the bell side of the housing because of this.

    I have some pictures of what I'm referring too and can get them post tonight most likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davis1d0 View Post
    I get your question. yes they line up perfect. The problem is that the pinions are different and I need to use the pinion from the fusion do to the length of the output shaft. this means I have to use the ring gear from the fusion as well, but that gear is about 1/16 larger in thickness than the zx2 ring. It ends up rubbing a little on the bell side of the housing because of this.

    I have some pictures of what I'm referring too and can get them post tonight most likely.
    do you have pictures of the pinion comparisons?
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    Use MX-3 V6 axles (mtx) with MX-3 V6 lower control arms with that inner 28 spline, or custom made axles.
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    Did think about that too, but i would still have the same issue with the ring gear rubbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChillinZX View Post
    Use MX-3 V6 axles (mtx) with MX-3 V6 lower control arms with that inner 28 spline, or custom made axles.
    I was thinking about doing the 5speed MTX-75, would this work with that? Why do you need to change the control arms as well? I thought zx2 was 28 spline and MTX-75 was 31 spline? so the MX-3 V6 axles are 31 spline in the trans and 28 spline into the hub???

    edit: oh, is the MX-3 V6 control arms longer or shorter to make up for a different length axle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnergyBlue98 View Post
    I was thinking about doing the 5speed MTX-75, would this work with that? Why do you need to change the control arms as well? I thought zx2 was 28 spline and MTX-75 was 31 spline? so the MX-3 V6 axles are 31 spline in the trans and 28 spline into the hub???

    edit: oh, is the MX-3 V6 control arms longer or shorter to make up for a different length axle?
    Arms would be about 1/2" longer, because the axle is about 1/2" longer. 28 spline inner, ZX2 has 26 spline inner. All Probe GT's, MX-3 V6, MX-6 V6, 626 V6, Fusion 2.3's, 6's, use a 28 spline inner G-series transmission. Basically anything except the Escort/323 family use a 28 spline inner, my guess is 4cyl uses 26 spline, 6cyl uses 28, except for the later 2000's Fusion and similar.

    I never attempted to try to see if the MX3 axles would fit with the ZX2 arms.

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    so the MX-3's have a 26 spline inner and 28 spline outer? but are 1/2" longer?

    MTX-75 focus trans have a 26 spline?

    we need this in a chart somewhere..

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnergyBlue98 View Post
    so the MX-3's have a 26 spline inner and 28 spline outer? but are 1/2" longer?

    MTX-75 focus trans have a 26 spline?

    we need this in a chart somewhere..
    Focus (MTX75) uses 26 spline inner (non-svt) and a 25 outer
    SVT Focus (Getrag) uses 34 spline inner and 25 outer
    ZX2's/Escort/323 (G5M) uses 26 spline inner and 26 spline outer
    Other V6's with G-series (G25M) uses 28 spline inner and varied outer splines (depending on vehicle)

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    so the MTX75 uses the same axles as the zx2...? that's not what I had been told.

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