Obama, is the correct answer.
"We can not continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've go to have a national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."
First of all, who is the "we" he is referring to?
This is scary stuff - what is he contemplating?
After the load of flak he got after making this monumental statement, he came back with some apologetic rhetoric about the peace corp. He also wanted a virtually mandatory volunteer service of students.
But what would need funding as large as our present military?? That is an insanely huge amount! What would need to be as powerful and strong? Buy any interpretation, big changes are indeed planned by him.
Kenya still vote for him?
Too late sir.
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Kinda reminds you of the Hilter youth programs, there were manditory also...
Go watch V for Vendetta . Instead of playing America in that movie, we will play Britain.
You gave the www.propeller.com as a link, but no other news references. Without other sources to confirm the story, how do we know this isn't made up by people on a website by people that think the way you do ??
You certainly can provide reliable references if you believe this is true... or can you ??
If anything the comparison with the Nazis is more appropriate with the fascism of the Bush administration. Voum,tary service might be more similar to the Conservation Corps or WPA under FDR. Obama can't enact anything without congress, and we are going to have mostly the same group that are currently in office. It is significant that obama picked a moderate Democrat, biden, as a running mate, while Mccain picked a 'right wingnut' zealot in Palin. If anyone is concerned about the direction of the US, the best thing to do is to get as many moderte republican, democrats or independents elected in 2010 as possible.
By the way, what happened to all the claims and stories that Obama wasn't a naturally born US citizen and therefore couldn't be president ? At the very least you could have forwarded that 'gem' to Sarah Palin who would have known how to use it.
The rest of us were waiting for you to come back with uncontestable proof. We're still waiting. Mechtech, you disappoint us.
Last edited by JonsZX2SR; 11-04-2008 at 09:54 AM.
But here you go Jon, from his own mouth...
Last edited by SoCalZX2; 11-04-2008 at 08:49 AM.
People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
The American revolution was fought largely by "militias". State National Guards are something like that. So is this idea really something new ? FDR had the CCC (civilian conservation corp).
As was mentioned, the President doesn't make laws, Congress does.
National Guard of the United States is a reserve military force composed of state National Guard militia members or units under federally recognized active or inactive armed force service for the United States. The National Guard of the United States is a joint reserve component of the United States Army and the United States Air Force and maintains two subcomponents: the Army National Guard of the United States for the Army and the Air Force's Air National Guard of the United States.
The national guard, which is in all 50 states, isn't civilian based. It's reserve based on the military, so it doesn't fit into a "civilian security force".
I'd expect such a force to be made up of a broad spectrum of civilians. If anything an armed civilian security force could counterbalance the strength of the federal gov't and effectively act as a militia. Give credit to all the citizens of this country. This could actually moderate Obama's abilities to make changes.
If McCain-Palin proposed this, it would immediately become the patriotic thing to do. I'd be concerned Alaskan members might be suspected members of the AIP.
Last edited by JonsZX2SR; 11-04-2008 at 11:36 AM.
The civilians are already empowered by the 2nd amendment. We do NOT need a funded civilian military that is as well funded as our REAL military.
Firstly - You talk about the need to decrease spending to save the country economically; this would just about exponentially increase spending.
Secondly - I would be very much concerned about radical civilians (and they do exists) taking matters into their own hands as it pertains to being part of a mobilized and federally funded military/militia
Third - If someone wants to serve in that fashion, they can enlist in the reserves and be in the national guard. Problem solved.
Someone mentioned V for Vendetta, while a bit of a stretch, it's quite possibly a good analogy. Chancellor Suttler had "finger men", who were basically civilians given the right to do whatever.
I'm not saying that's what Obama is proposing, but this is a step in that direction. The US military is supplemented by the reserve force that is nationally funded. The 2nd amendment gives the citizens the right to keep and bear arms, so we don't need to fund that right.
We have militia in all 50 states, we don't need a civilian militia.
Last edited by SoCalZX2; 11-04-2008 at 10:27 AM.
There are numerous links. Use Google.
There are U tube videos of Obama originally saying this.
If I give links, some will say , "Do you believe everything that you read on the internet?".
If I don't give enough, there are also complaints.
But this quote is ridiculously easy to ascertain.
Plenty more are available.
Last edited by mechtech; 11-04-2008 at 11:17 AM.
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